USC/UCLA leaving Pac12 for Big10?

[Mainstreet]

It will be interesting if indeed, Utah makes the move.

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[Dback Jon]

I think long term this is bad for the Arizona schools.

But enjoy Lubbock, Morgantown, Ames, Manhattan (not the good one) and Waco.

 

[SeattleCardinal]

And for all the talk about what a bad hand GK was dealt, Yormark had challenges too. He did a heckuva job.

 

[SeattleCardinal]

I think long term this is bad for the Arizona schools.

But enjoy Lubbock, Morgantown, Ames, Manhattan (not the good one) and Waco.

I've heard that one can get to football games in Waco by boat. Sadly, I'm sure it's nothing like the iconic and beautiful "sailgating" scene for UW games on the shores of Lake Washington.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I think long term this is bad for the Arizona schools.

But enjoy Lubbock, Morgantown, Ames, Manhattan (not the good one) and Waco.

Hopefully more games start before 8 PM now!

 

[SeattleCardinal]

I will be really angry and jealous (at least financially and academically) of Utah if they get into the B1G.

 

[Lefty]

I'd prefer to stay in the PAC, provided the numbers were close. A move to the Big 12 would be softened with more PAC teams along for the ride. I think you are discounting the impact of losing a link to CA. UofA has historically pulled a lot of hoops recruits out of CA and the Pacific Northwe

You know nothing about the internal conversations between presidents. Stop pretending that you do.

This coming from someone who is clueless about the entire thing. You were ragging on us for wanting the UofA to leave the Pac-12 for the Big-12, saying it would not be beneficial.

 

[Folster]

And for all the talk about what a bad hand GK was dealt, Yormark had challenges too. He did a heckuva job.

I get the impression that leading PAC 12 presidents is like herding cats.

 

[Folster]

This coming from someone who is clueless about the entire thing. You were ragging on us for wanting the UofA to leave the Pac-12 for the Big-12, saying it would not be beneficial.

Without ASU and Utah it would not have been a good move by UofA.

 

[Dback Jon]

And for all the talk about what a bad hand GK was dealt, Yormark had challenges too. He did a heckuva job.

Yormark has several advantages:

1) Being in the middle/eastern part of the country, the available candidates were greater
2) Timing - he caught a media deal before the values started to decline, also taking away slots
3) No one left in the Big 12 except maybe Kansas is a candidate to go to the B1G or SEC. The Pac has schools that can realistically aspire to the B1G

 

[WiscoBird]

I think long term this is bad for the Arizona schools.

But enjoy Lubbock, Morgantown, Ames, Manhattan (not the good one) and Waco.

I'm 6 hours away from Ames and Cincinnati. Des Moines is a great city. The Upper Mississippi River Valley is absolutely gorgeous if anybody ever makes the trip.

 

[SeattleCardinal]

Yormark has several advantages:

1) Being in the middle/eastern part of the country, the available candidates were greater
2) Timing - he caught a media deal before the values started to decline, also taking away slots
3) No one left in the Big 12 except maybe Kansas is a candidate to go to the B1G or SEC. The Pac has schools that can realistically aspire to the B1G

I don't disagree, although for 2) he went out and grabbed the deal before he had to. He just outperformed and outfoxed Kliavkoff - badly.

 

[Dback Jon]

I don't disagree, although for 2) he went out and grabbed the deal before he had to. He just outperformed and outfoxed Kliavkoff - badly.

No argument there - although how much the Pac12 Presidents were apart of the rejection of the ESPN deal, is unknown.

 

[Lefty]

Without ASU and Utah it would not have been a good move by UofA.Like I said, you are cluele

Without ASU and Utah it would not have been a good move by UofA.

Keep believing that. Like I said, you are clueless. I wonder when you will change your mind on everything you said in the past 24 hours?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Ah, this is more like it. ASU and U of A fans bickering over meaningless arguments...this feels right!

Hey TJ - you stink!

 

[Mainstreet]

I really hope the PAC can figure something out with guaranteed money at least as the Big 12 without streaming in the next day or so.

The BIG 10 doesn't look like it is able to add Oregon and Washington under the current TV deals.

So remaining in the Pac would be:

Wash
Oregon
OSU
WSU
Stanford
Cal

ASU
UA
Utah

If they can add
SDSU
SMU
Fresno State???

then I would still be happy with the conference. I am thinking Oregon and Wash may try to pull something off to keep the conference together.

If it wasn't about television revenue, I think a more attractive conference could be formed with the Western teams.

It's going to take a while to adjust to the teams in the Big-12. Hopefully Utah tags along.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I think long term this is bad for the Arizona schools.

But enjoy Lubbock, Morgantown, Ames, Manhattan (not the good one) and Waco.

Should’ve stayed in the Oregon/UW/Bay Area-less Pac and enjoyed Pullman, Laramie, Las Cruces, Albuquerque and Fort Collins!

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

No argument there - although how much the Pac12 Presidents were apart of the rejection of the ESPN deal, is unknown.

A group of presidents (UC schools, Stanford, USC, ASU, UW) rejected expansion into the Big12 meanwhile all of them (sans ASU) were simultaneously maneuvering to get into the Big 10. Crow the only dope who thought he was actually allied with those schools. Robbins once LA schools left knew it was over and wisely started the process to go to Big 12 since it was the only life raft. GK got played big time

GK not forcing/selling the snobby coastal schools + ASU to take KU, TCU, etc was the end of the conference.

 

[Dback Jon]

A group of presidents (UC schools, Stanford, USC, ASU, UW) rejected expansion into the Big12 meanwhile all of them (sans ASU) were simultaneously maneuvering to get into the Big 10. Crow the only dope who thought he was actually allied with those schools. Robbins once LA schools left knew it was over and wisely started the process to go to Big 12 since it was the only life raft. GK got played big time

GK not forcing/selling the snobby coastal schools + ASU to take KU, TCU, etc was the end of the conference.

They also had a chance to get Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech (After Texas A&M declined) a dozen years ago.

 

[Folster]

Keep believing that. Like I said, you are clueless. I wonder when you will change your mind on everything you said in the past 24 hours?

UofA couldn't leave the PAC without ASU. I would've preferred a stable PAC to endure, but sadly that isn't going to happen. I am happy if reports are true that Crow exhausted all possibilities to preserve the conference. There will be a lot of impact on both universities that will extend well beyond athletics. Athletics is a small portion of the university revenue, so decisions to leave a conference that provides significant academic and research benefits should not be made haphazardly.

 

[TJ]

UofA couldn't leave the PAC without ASU.

Considering that UofA has been talking to Yormark for months, this is BS. The Big-12 would gladly take UofA on its own. You really need to stop lying to yourself. Just be happy that you’re staying in a big boy conference instead of being relegated to the future G5 conference.

 

[TJ]

I think long term this is bad for the Arizona schools.

But enjoy Lubbock, Morgantown, Ames, Manhattan (not the good one) and Waco.

Yeah more money and exposure will be down right awful for the Arizona schools.

Seriously, why are people overthinking this? This cognitive dissonance is silly.

 

[GatorAZ]

Without ASU and Utah it would not have been a good move by UofA.

Yes it would. Arizona has a clear path to the conference every year with UCLA out of the way and still leadership/fans wanted to go a conference with Kansas, Baylor and Houston. Not to mention a legit TV deal in a legit conference with legit leadership. I couldn’t care less about the podunk towns fans would spend two days in visiting.

 

[Folster]

Considering that UofA has been talking to Yormark for months, this is BS. The Big-12 would gladly take UofA on its own. You really need to stop lying to yourself. Just be happy that you’re staying in a big boy conference instead of being relegated to the future G5 conference.

Talk to me when UofA can beat NAU consistently.

 

[jf-08]

Have the whole PAC-12 merge with the Big-10. One division called the PAC-12, one called the Big-10.Winner of the PAC-12 plays the winner of the Big-10. Have the game in Pasadena. Have it at the Rose Bowl. Call it the Rose Bowl. A novel concept.