Vance Joseph - why does VJ needs to be retained?

[Cardinal88]

I think I've come to grips with the fact, there will not be a great coach here long term as long as Keim is here.

Think about it, Whiz took us to the Superbowl, has one bad year... he was gone. Arians, a couple of great seasons, boom he's gone - I know he made it sound like he needed to do something else. Seems like someone butted heads. Stong personalities do not gel with Keim and Keim has some sort of secret information about the Bidwills.

 

[Arz101]

I think I've come to grips with the fact, there will not be a great coach here long term as long as Keim is here.

Think about it, Whiz took us to the Superbowl, has one bad year... he was gone. Arians, a couple of great seasons, boom he's gone - I know he made it sound like he needed to do something else. Seems like someone butted heads. Stong personalities do not gel with Keim and Keim has some sort of secret information about the Bidwills.

Bidwills are old fashioned ( nothing wrong in it) family business that reward loyalty. Bidwill found Keim to be loyal and is rewarding him. Unless Keim goes 4 wins or less Keim will pick his 4th coach in 2023.

 

[GatorAZ]

Our defense makes a lot of opposing coordinators look like geniuses.

 

[Cardinal88]

Bidwills are old fashioned ( nothing wrong in it) family business that reward loyalty. Bidwill found Keim to be loyal and is rewarding him. Unless Keim goes 4 wins or less Keim will pick his 4th coach in 2023.

Don't dispute they are "old fashion". At some point though, you need to adapt. Keim is not the guy! I still do not understand how an ex-offensive lineman can be so bad at judging OL talen!

 

[kerouac9]

I don’t understand this. The Cards scored a defensive TD and gave the offense the ball on Seattle’s one yard line.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I don’t understand this. The Cards scored a defensive TD and gave the offense the ball on Seattle’s one yard line.

They were net -24

 

[Arz101]

I don’t understand this. The Cards scored a defensive TD and gave the offense the ball on Seattle’s one yard line.

Cardinals under Kliff are a losing team if opponents.score 24 points or more.Seattle did that. Also gave up 190 yards on the ground too.

This is not about just today.

 

[DVontel]

I don’t understand this. The Cards scored a defensive TD and gave the offense the ball on Seattle’s one yard line.

Idk, I would think you would get sick of seeing Chandler Jones in coverage on the Tyler Locketts & Amon-Ra St. Browns of the world.

 

[reebokalone2001]

You have to bring in a proven NFL DC no more first timers!

In general, I would not be that extreme. Staley did a great job for the Rams last year as a first-year DC. Bowles was the first time DC when BA brought him in. We just need someone who can identify the talent. That, I don't know about Keim.

 

[FB94]

Do we have a Dc that can put players in best position to succeed. Still not sold on VJ. He has games where the stars align and we look great, but too many games were it just looks bad.

 

[Arz101]

Do we have a Dc that can put players in best position to succeed. Still not sold on VJ. He has games where the stars align and we look great, but too many games were it just looks bad.

His defense was the same with Broncos. Very streaky

 

[BigRedRage]

If one guy makes that much of difference our other defensive players must really suck.

The DL is obviously pretty trash. Mostly backups. Zach Allen is good enough if you have a blue chip with him.

 

[Chopper0080]

His defense was the same with Broncos. Very streaky

It is inconsistent because it tries to do everything and therefore fails to do anything great.

 

[Minski]

Maybe VJ can get a HC gig somewhere and his first FA signing will be his genius LB Hicks… I also hope we play that team next season

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

It's just frustrating his defenses continually get gashed against the run, they have their moments. Everywhere he's coached this is the biggest gripe so it's definitely a problem.

 

[juza76]

Maybe VJ can get a HC gig somewhere and his first FA signing will be his genius LB Hicks… I also hope we play that team next season

Likely He wouldn't get even a positional coach job

 

[TRW]

Likely He wouldn't get even a positional coach job

I don't know about that, he gets mentioned quite often on the rare occasion the Talking Heads are talking about the Cardinals. I've heard quite a few "Vance Joseph is doing a phenomenal job" type comments this season.

But, I don't think he gets a HC job this off season.

 

[Stout]

I don’t understand this. The Cards scored a defensive TD and gave the offense the ball on Seattle’s one yard line.

Surely you jest. Yes, the defense did those things. So what does it tell you that the defense did 5 or 6 worse things that killed the team? That the defense also made an epic crap ton of mistakes and didn't do enough to give the offense a chance to win. Not that I think the offense would have done enough given the chance.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

VJ's soft zones are bad

Always leaving WR's wide open for easy completions

Like when we play the Rams and everyone in the stadium knows they are throwing the ball to Kupp and yet we don't have anyone hit him at the line and the DB is playing 5 or more yards off of him to give him space to run his route

This is just one example of many flaws in his system

Along with how complicated the system is for players to feel confident

Time for him to go

Wouldn't mind Fangio being brought in

 

[BullheadCardFan]

At the very least Bill Davis needs to be fired as linebackers coach.

He is definitely one of the problems, but getting rid of him is not enough

VJ needs to go also IMO

 

[CardNots]

VJ's soft zones are bad

Always leaving WR's wide open for easy completions

Like when we play the Rams and everyone in the stadium knows they are throwing the ball to Kupp and yet we don't have anyone hit him at the line and the DB is playing 5 or more yards off of him to give him space to run his route

This is just one example of many flaws in his system

Along with how complicated the system is for players to feel confident

Time for him to go

Wouldn't mind Fangio being brought in

+1

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

VJ's soft zones are bad

Always leaving WR's wide open for easy completions

Like when we play the Rams and everyone in the stadium knows they are throwing the ball to Kupp and yet we don't have anyone hit him at the line and the DB is playing 5 or more yards off of him to give him space to run his route

This is just one example of many flaws in his system

Along with how complicated the system is for players to feel confident

Time for him to go

Wouldn't mind Fangio being brought in

He's available now for sure lol.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

+1

+2

 

[Stout]

Ah, the vaunted bend and then break defense.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Here is another reason to get rid of VJ

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Seattle Rushing

	CAR	YDS	AVG	TD	LONG
Rashaad Penny	23	190	8.3	1	62
Russell Wilson	4	5	1.3	1	4
Travis Homer	1	4	4.0	0	4
Tyler Lockett	1	2	2.0	0	2
DeeJay Dallas	1	1	1.0	0	1
TEAM	30	202	6.7	2	62