Vince Young's Mother Says He Wants Out Of Football

[ryanshaug]

Too early?

 

[Shane]

Too early?

Would be to stupid.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

What I don't understand from VY is just because you were booed in your home stadium you should just quit? Maybe he needs to call and talk to Mcnabb who has been booed since the day he was drafted and until now. Or talk to Eli who has been booed and massacre in New York media until he led them to a SB win.

Maybe he just doesn't like playing football as a full time job. Imagine going to a job you hate, then getting boo'd and ridiculed when you screw up. (I would have gone postal at some of my jobs if I got boo'd)

He should retire and return the bonuses he didn't earn and find a job he likes.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm sure he has already made a sizable amount of upfront money. So if he decides to quit now, so be it. Most people never see the big money and live their lives just trying to survive.

 

[Brian]

I said back when VY was drafted that he would never be a good NFL quarterback. I based that on two things: 1) He is just plain old dumb. 2) He has a very low maturity level.

I saw a film on VY about his road to the NFL and it showed a clip on him when he was 8 (I think) and he got hit by a car. He was being interviewed in the hospital and I remember thinking "WTF, this kid sounds like he's two years old!" He really seemed to have the development of a toddler.

Fast forward: He doesn't have the I.Q. to grasp NFL offenses or defenses and it is confusing to him. It must be maddening to just not be able to understand.

Remember, the VY pick was the Titans owner's pick, not Jeff Fischer's or the GM's.

 

[clif]

Got to love the message board psychologists.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

And the Texans sure dropped the ball picking Mario Williams over Young and Bush no?

All Williams is going to accomplish in 5-10 years is being regarded as the best DE and pass rusher in football, while Young is out of football and Bush is nothing more than a gimmick halfback. Hey, those damn Texans and that idiot Charlie Casserly had no idea what the hell they were doing.

With all cynicalness aside, I really hope whatever issues are plaguing Young are worked through. This is a guy who had ice in his veins in college and was such a talented quarterback, who seemed to step up to the plate when they needed him the most. Granted, I think those who said that he's so used to being the most talented player on the field, however now that he realizes he's not and has to work hard for it, he doesn't know how to handle it were dead on. However it's not too late for him.

I'm not going to sit here and ******** you and tell you I knew Young was going to flop. I thought he was going to be a good NFL QB. I still think he has the chance to be, but he has to get his head in the game. At the QB position, the game is 90 percent mental, 10 percent physical. Once he gets in to the game mentally, I've got no doubts he's capable of being a good NFL QB. I hope he sticks around long enough to reach that point.

 

[Shane]

Got to love the message board psychologists.

many of which are better than the real ones who charge you 100 bucks an hour for half the useful info

 

[Lorenzo]

And the Texans sure dropped the ball picking Mario Williams over Young and Bush no?

All Williams is going to accomplish in 5-10 years is being regarded as the best DE and pass rusher in football, while Young is out of football and Bush is nothing more than a gimmick halfback. Hey, those damn Texans and that idiot Charlie Casserly had no idea what the hell they were doing.

With all cynicalness aside, I really hope whatever issues are plaguing Young are worked through. This is a guy who had ice in his veins in college and was such a talented quarterback, who seemed to step up to the plate when they needed him the most. Granted, I think those who said that he's so used to being the most talented player on the field, however now that he realizes he's not and has to work hard for it, he doesn't know how to handle it.

I'm not going to sit here and ******** you and tell you I knew Young was going to flop. I thought he was going to be a good NFL QB. I still think he has the chance to be, but he has to get his head in the game. At the QB position, the game is 90 percent mental, 10 percent physical.

you know I like your post. I can't say that I've seen someone else be more right about everything you just said. It's easy to bash young or any guy while he's down. and young has given no one any reason to believe that he will be a championship QB in the NFL so that makes things worse for his reputation. I'm not ready to throw the towell in on him yet though. This is a guy who people doubted at texas. In his first year all he did was come in and lead his team from behind countless times. He was dominated by Oklahoma when they brought guys into the box to stop him from running. Even in games that he won in his soph. season he was ridiculed by texas fans and others for being sloppy and not capable of being a championship QB. He came back strong with a rose bowl win and guaranteed to be back for a NT game. He made great improvements from his soph to junior year in being a true QB. but that was in college. he needs to get that confidence back.

the nfl is different. this is a man's game where physique is almost secondary. You must be strong physically, but being a QB in this game requires extreme mental toughness. A QB can't be soft and can't break down when the going gets tough. I remember vince rising to the top when things went wrong at texas. now he must do the same thing at tenn. and he probably wants to tell his mom not to get out of the car when she drops him off at practice. I think he'll be back and I expect him to do well. It might take a while, but he'll be ok.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

you know I like your post. I can't say that I've seen someone else be more right about everything you just said. It's easy to bash young or any guy while he's down. and young has given no one any reason to believe that he will be a championship QB in the NFL so that makes things worse for his reputation. I'm not ready to throw the towell in on him yet though. This is a guy who people doubted at texas. In his first year all he did was come in and lead his team from behind countless times. He was dominated by Oklahoma when they brought guys into the box to stop him from running. Even in games that he won in his soph. season he was ridiculed by texas fans and others for being sloppy and not capable of being a championship QB. He came back strong with a rose bowl win and guaranteed to be back for a NT game. He made great improvements from his soph to junior year in being a true QB. but that was in college. he needs to get that confidence back.

Excellent points. Young has proven the doubters wrong before. I refuse to jump off his bandwagon, because I think he's got the tools to do so well, he's just got to have someone there in Tennessee help him get his confidence back. This is a guy who has intangibles that stats can't grade and talent to boot. However, as stated, he's GOT to get his mind in the game and get that mental part of the NFL down pat, which means he's going to have to bust his ass twice as hard as he ever has before.

Thanks for replying to my post and the kind words.

 

[Linderbee]

I said back when VY was drafted that he would never be a good NFL quarterback. I based that on two things: 1) He is just plain old dumb. 2) He has a very low maturity level.

I saw a film on VY about his road to the NFL and it showed a clip on him when he was 8 (I think) and he got hit by a car. He was being interviewed in the hospital and I remember thinking "WTF, this kid sounds like he's two years old!" He really seemed to have the development of a toddler.

Fast forward: He doesn't have the I.Q. to grasp NFL offenses or defenses and it is confusing to him. It must be maddening to just not be able to understand.

Remember, the VY pick was the Titans owner's pick, not Jeff Fischer's or the GM's.

I remember you having that stance. If he really is just not that bright...this probably is very frustrating for him

I genuinely feel bad for him...he probably should retire & find something he truly enjoys.

 

[moklerman]

Is it as rare as my mind is making it out to be that runners that can pass a little just don't succeed very often? Passers who run a little is one thing but the other way around like Young and Vick(better runners than passers) seem doomed to failure. Who am I forgetting?

 

[SuperSpck]

Got to love the message board psychologists.

Different font? Do I smell a copy/paste spell-check?

 

[Russ Smith]

Is it as rare as my mind is making it out to be that runners that can pass a little just don't succeed very often? Passers who run a little is one thing but the other way around like Young and Vick(better runners than passers) seem doomed to failure. Who am I forgetting?

Took a long time but Gannon comes to mind everyone tried to convert him to Wr or DB but he stuck it out and eventually was a pretty good QB.

But yes it is rare.

 

[conraddobler]

Their are two abilities a NFL QB needs in terms of execution of their job duty.

This is in addition to leadership and all the other intangible stuff.

The ability to correctly process enormous amounts of information quickly and the ability to get the ball where he just decided to put it efficiently.

You can think of the two comming together to produce one score, so if you're very good at one and average at another you might end up with a higher than average score.

If you're very bad at one it dosen't matter how good you are at the other.

 

[football karma]

you know--

on one hand, its hard to feel sorry for a guy with millions in the bank.

That being said -- we all seem to assume that if a guy is physically mature enough for the NFL, he is automatically mentally and emotionally mature enough.

Vince probably could have used another year in college.

 

[Stout]

you know--

on one hand, its hard to feel sorry for a guy with millions in the bank.

That being said -- we all seem to assume that if a guy is physically mature enough for the NFL, he is automatically mentally and emotionally mature enough.

Vince probably could have used another year in college.

Vince is now going to kill you, because you have no avatar

 

[Skkorpion]

Is it as rare as my mind is making it out to be that runners that can pass a little just don't succeed very often? Passers who run a little is one thing but the other way around like Young and Vick(better runners than passers) seem doomed to failure. Who am I forgetting?

This tends to be true, I think. Going back, QBs like Fran Tarkenton, Bobby Douglas, David Woodley and some others, better runners than passers, lend proof to your point.

So too do Steve Young, Joe Montana, John Elway, Steve McNair, Rich Gannon, et al, good passers who could also run well.

 

[Gee!]

This tends to be true, I think. Going back, QBs like Fran Tarkenton, Bobby Douglas, David Woodley and some others, better runners than passers, lend proof to your point.

So too do Steve Young, Joe Montana, John Elway, Steve McNair, Rich Gannon, et al, good passers who could also run well.

What? No Timm Rosenbach? I remember vividly watching him run for his life after the line collasped in 1.2 seconds.. In fact he was such a good runner, he ran straight to the rodeo as it was a safer option at the time..

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Is it as rare as my mind is making it out to be that runners that can pass a little just don't succeed very often? Passers who run a little is one thing but the other way around like Young and Vick(better runners than passers) seem doomed to failure. Who am I forgetting?

Randall Cunningham for one.

 

[moklerman]

Randall Cunningham for one.

I thought about Randall but decided he didn't fit because he wasn't a "better" runner than passer. At least not clearly so in my mind. If anything, he's the rare breed that's equally good in both areas. He's about the closest to that side of the argument though.

I never got to see Tarkenton play. I've seen all the NFL films highlights like everyone else but those are quite different than actually watching someone play during a game. I remember when I was first learning about football though, back in the late 70's, Tarkenton was the gold standard as far as career passing numbers. Granted, much of that was due to longevity but his records were so far out in front of everyone else's that they were borderline "unbreakable". I do know that he was very renowned as a scrambler but was he really a runner? When talking about that general era of football, I think of Bobby Douglas as a true runner. For some reason I think of Tarkenton as keeping plays alive and looking to pass first and run when he didn't have another choice but I could be wrong on that. Speaking of Bobby Douglas though, that was the day I officially gave up hope on Vick ever being a QB. When he said that he was focused on breaking Bobby Douglas' rushing record for a QB I knew that he just didn't get it. Why would anyone be determined and proud to break a dubious record? That would be like Larry Fitgerald focusing on breaking the passing yardage mark for WR's.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

I finally figured out who Young reminds me of: Kordell Stewart.

Stewart was such a versitile player. He had a good arm, could pass for 200 and also had the speed to beat you. However, like Young, he wasn't as fit mentally as he should have been.

Regardless, all the extra years in college may not have prepared Young for the NFL. He was a big man on campus in college. However, the talent level in the NFL is so steep. There's no Baylors or Mississippi Valley States on the schedule.

I think Young's issues are two fold.

1) He's so used to being the man and to a degree is such a perfectionist that he can't seem to shake how his career has started.

2) The pressure. Not only does he have the pressure of being a top 3 pick, the pressure of being a starting QB in the NFL and the pressure of being on a team who is a routine playoff squad, but he's also walking in some pretty lofty footsteps: those of Steve McNair, who may not have left as big of shadows on his team as Marino did on the Dolphins, Unitas did on the Colts or Bradshaw did on the Steelers, but he left some pretty big ones never the less.

These pressures may seem like small molehills, but in reality they're pretty large mountains. Not everyone has the pressure valve of ice. For every Peyton Manning, there's a dozen Ryan Leafs.

I honestly am hopeful for the guy. He seems like such a nice kid who just puts way too much pressure on himself.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Mrs. Young? Is that you?

Dont hate because you are hurting inside.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I thought about Randall but decided he didn't fit because he wasn't a "better" runner than passer. At least not clearly so in my mind. If anything, he's the rare breed that's equally good in both areas. He's about the closest to that side of the argument though.

Later in his career (Vikings) I might agree with you. Early in his career, he wasn't a good passer.

Hell, he was a better punter than runner or passer. He once had a 91 yard punt.

That's amazing.

 

[Lorenzo]

many of the NFL experts that talked about young....to include former quarterbacks like roger staubach who was under fire early in his career for running too much....have gone on record to say that VY has a future in the NFL. but that it would probably take him a long time to develop into a winning QB. I'm not ready to write him off quite yet. I think he has potential and an upside. I think the biggest thing that was troublesome for vince was his game on sunday. he didn't play well, he suffered a scary injury, and was booed by his own fans. I think those things really bothered him as they would bother anyone. and in some ways those are uncharted waters for young. VY is taking a lot of heat and that might be what he needs. He needs a fire lit under his rear. He usually plays best under those circumstances. eventhough he's struggled at tenn....he's somewhat earned a pass because of the record. now fans expect more and he has to get stronger plain and simple.