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A certain Hall of Fame QB, Fran Tarkenton, would dispute who was the prototype and Steve Young in his early years was quite a runner.
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A certain Hall of Fame QB, Fran Tarkenton, would dispute who was the prototype and Steve Young in his early years was quite a runner.
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THey're not the same, for a lot of reasons. One is that if you're paying attention QBs wear different/smaller pads because they need the flexibility to get the ball up over their heads. Also, running backs are 85% of the time a replaceable proposition. If Arian Foster goes down for three or four weeks, you have Ben Tate waiting in the wings.
Kevin Kolb has plus mobility. He's not RG3, but he's just as mobile as, say, Jeff Garcia is/was.
The problem with the read option is that the reason that it works is because you treat the quarterback as an additional runner, and that's a problem because you're increasing the chance that a defensive lineman is going to be the guy hitting your quarterback (and more frequently).
Running backs and wide receivers are more often tackled by smaller defensive backs and linebackers, and they're hit less frequently because the ball is getting spread around, and the backs are getting rotated in and out.
Clearly outdone? Why did Indy go from a 2 win team to an 11 win team? I think Luck was a major factor and does not deserve to be discounted. I actually believe there isn't an NFL organization that would not take Luck over the other 2, right now.
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2 qbs at opposite ends of the mobility scale.
Jetstream Green
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QBs running often get injured because their body is exposed to hits by an upright running style, it comes with constantly looking for someone to connect with in a passing motion or making the defender believe they are still going to pass. Yes, QBs get hit while just running and get injured but I think the nature of their skill mechanics influence how they run and has a part in them getting hurt by the way they take hits in my opinion.
Chopper0080
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In the end, the QB still is going to have to make key throws in a game. The ability to run just gives those QBs more room for error. Facts are it is easier to complete passes vs. zone than man coverage and if a defense plays man coverage vs. a mobile QB, that QB can make them play.
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Agree 100% and that is what I meant when I said we'll see how it goes for a few years.
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What is his YPC? Performing in crusnch time? Accuracy doesn't show whole picture. He took a below average roster to the playoffs. So did RGIII. But he didn't do it alone. Alfred Morris was just as big as he was this year. He didn't get as much press though. But Props to both for delivering.
Wilson inherited a little better roster. Great RB and an excellent D.
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But none of those guys ran nearly as much as RG3 and Kaepernick did.
Wilson is a different guy, he doesn't seem to want to run although he did have almost 500 yards and ran nearly 100 times.
Kaepernick and RG3 are running as part of the base offense. I didn't see Newton enough this year to know but he had 127 runs and nearly 750 yards so I have to assume they're running him as part of the offense.
Seattle does that far less with Wilson from what I've seen, he just runs when it's wide open.
But if they continue to run that much they're going to get hurt. I agree they will either become pocket passers or get hurt. I think Wilson is already there, the other 2 are not right now they want to run.
The ideal is someone like Luck who CAN run but uses it more as decoy than anything, kind of like how Rodgers does.
But I do think the OP made the distinction mobile QB not running Qb and I was more talking about running QB's.
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Andrew Luck threw the ball 627 times this year. 18 picks.
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Also, compare the talent in Indianapolis: Inferior offensive line, rookie WR corps, avg run game. That would typically spell doom for any Rookie QB, especially one that's asked to throw twice as much as his counterparts. In short...Luck is a beast.
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russell wilson is not a running QB - he is a very smart runner though
bottom line is that QBs in the NFL get hurt - the more you get hit the more likely it is that you are going to take a shot that gets you just right .... this can happen to pocket passers, this can happen to running QBs - the best QBs are the ones who know how to protect themselves, elude pressure, minimize clean shots and get rid of the ball ... those that can do that while still getting the ball to the right person at the right time rise to the top
there is a wide variety of that type of guy
here is a good sando link showing wilson passes both in and out of the pocket
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/88192/a-couple-qb-stats-to-keep-in-pocket-or-out
as you can see about 75% of his attempts have come from within the pocket and his QB rating on those attempts is 102.8
another neat note on the progression of wilson is that from week 8 through yesterday the seahawks had lost 3 games .... in those 3 losses wilson was 70 of 98 for 845 yards, 6 TDs/2 Ints with 4 sacks and a rating of 109.4 (QBR of 91.1 if you are into that thing) ....... in all 3 games seattle had the lead in the last minute
defenses will adjust, but he's shown an ability to get better .... I think luck and RGIII will get better as well .... all 3 are smart QBs who "get it"
i also think wilson style helps keep him safe .... he does a very good job getting out of bounds and getting down, he looks to avoid the big guys bringing the hammer .... he doesn't run, he flees
if you take his sack #s, plus his hurried hits and then running hits I don't think they would be much more than the average QB .... he may run the ball 5-10 times a game and get hit on 2-3 of those
bottom line is that QBs in the NFL get hurt - the more you get hit the more likely it is that you are going to take a shot that gets you just right .... this can happen to pocket passers, this can happen to running QBs - the best QBs are the ones who know how to protect themselves, elude pressure, minimize clean shots and get rid of the ball ... those that can do that while still getting the ball to the right person at the right time rise to the top
there is a wide variety of that type of guy
here is a good sando link showing wilson passes both in and out of the pocket
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/88192/a-couple-qb-stats-to-keep-in-pocket-or-out
as you can see about 75% of his attempts have come from within the pocket and his QB rating on those attempts is 102.8
another neat note on the progression of wilson is that from week 8 through yesterday the seahawks had lost 3 games .... in those 3 losses wilson was 70 of 98 for 845 yards, 6 TDs/2 Ints with 4 sacks and a rating of 109.4 (QBR of 91.1 if you are into that thing) ....... in all 3 games seattle had the lead in the last minute
defenses will adjust, but he's shown an ability to get better .... I think luck and RGIII will get better as well .... all 3 are smart QBs who "get it"
i also think wilson style helps keep him safe .... he does a very good job getting out of bounds and getting down, he looks to avoid the big guys bringing the hammer .... he doesn't run, he flees
if you take his sack #s, plus his hurried hits and then running hits I don't think they would be much more than the average QB .... he may run the ball 5-10 times a game and get hit on 2-3 of those
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i think matt scott can be the next russel wilson
I've been wondering why Scott hasn't received any attention from ASFN posters. 4.58 forty? That's quick for a QB. He'll be playing in the East-West Shrine game so that will be a chance to see what he's got.
