Warner taregeted by others

[O]

Bruce Cooper on Channel 12, just now, said that in fact the Rams have offered Kurt a contract.

 

[joeshmo]

How is $10M fair market value when Cassell's getting $14M for 1 year? I think that's what's getting lost in all of this talk is Warner's numbers are for two years that he expects to play and perform. Many of the other contracts(Roethlisberger) are long term deals that will never be realized. I don't think you can look at Warner and say that he's "worth" $10M because all of the other QB's are averaging that much. He's not signing on long term so he it's more of a franchise situation.

$10M is still a little low for what he's produced over the last two years especially his post season numbers. No QB in the league compares to what he does in the post season.

How and why are you comparing a one year exclusive rights franchise tag to a Warner deal. The Franchise tag is a completely seperate animal that only takes a snap shot of salaries for one given year. A year that takes into account Aaron Rodgers one year salary of 26 million dollars highly skewing the average of the top 3 QB's which is the Exclusive franchise tag. Taht 26 mill included his gauranteed salary because the PAckers had enough under the cap to count it all towards one season sintead of prorating it over the life of the contract. So now please tell me how that highly skwed average of the top 3 QB's comes even close to being a good representation fo what the top 5 QB's in the leagu emake. It doesnt even come close. The top 5 QB contracts in the league pay them on average 12.1 million a year. All 5 QB's being far younger and didnt get 50% of it as gauranteed money.

I have to apologize for the horrid spelling, I am typing this on a blackberry trying to shoot it out before the airline tells me to turn it off.

 

[Buckybird]

Bruce Cooper on Channel 12, just now, said that in fact the Rams have offered Kurt a contract.

the end of the world is near if Kurt signs there.

 

[joeshmo]

Matt Cassel got the franchise tag, $14M, the average salary of the top 5 QB's in the league.

Marc Bulger averages $11M/year on his contract.

How is $10M/year for Warner fair market value?

See previous post on why the franchise tag is completely bunk in determining the top 5 salaries. Once again Cassel got the Exclusive rights Franchise tag which is the top 3 not the top 5 like the normal tag. Once again that top 3 includes Aaron RAdgers 26 mill salary because of the new contract he got was highly front loaded instead of back loaded liks most contracts. Tag amounts is only a on eyear snap shot it is not a representation of what each player actually makes over the life of their contract.

Bulger is also didnt sign his deal at the age of 38 and isnt being paid offer half of his deal in gauranteed money.

 

[az1965]

Bruce Cooper on Channel 12, just now, said that in fact the Rams have offered Kurt a contract.

Rams are not going anywhere... lets see if Warner really wants a shot at a title or just money.

 

[Mulli]

Rams are not going anywhere... lets see if Warner really wants a shot at a title or just money.

Seriously. If Warner takes the Rams money, I will find it very easy to move on to Leinart.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Bruce Cooper on Channel 12, just now, said that in fact the Rams have offered Kurt a contract.

IN your Face Shane! LOL!

 

[Dayman]

See previous post on why the franchise tag is completely bunk in determining the top 5 salaries. Once again Cassel got the Exclusive rights Franchise tag which is the top 3 not the top 5 like the normal tag. Once again that top 3 includes Aaron RAdgers 26 mill salary because of the new contract he got was highly front loaded instead of back loaded liks most contracts. Tag amounts is only a on eyear snap shot it is not a representation of what each player actually makes over the life of their contract.

Bulger is also didnt sign his deal at the age of 38 and isnt being paid offer half of his deal in gauranteed money.

I don't understand this, either. I can't remember a player using the franchise tag number as a negotiating point. No QB in the league averages 14.5 million on a multi-year contract.

 

[O]

IN your Face Shane! LOL!

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

 

[Mitch]

Rams are not going anywhere... lets see if Warner really wants a shot at a title or just money.

Warner is revered in St. Louis. That means a great deal to him. It would not surprise me in the least if he took the offer. The Cardinals have taken advantage of Warner for well over a year now. And they STILL want to lowball him after what he did this past year. Who can really blame him if he says enough of this?

What? He's supposed to feel grateful the Cardinals gave him a chance after he put up nearly 30 points a game and a 5-3 record for the second half of 2007?

He had to suffer through the HUMILITY of not even being named an equal candidate to win the starting job, as Leinart was given it from the first day of the off-season.

Then the Cardinals had the temerity to even want Warner to restructure his deal last summer to make it more of a true "backups' salary...just to add to the humility. And this was a guy who played hurt the last eight games, with remarkable success.

The Cardinals' FO has its pants down more than ever and it is unthinkable that after the season Warner just gave to this organization that tonight he is dangling out there in free agency.

This is EXACTLY why the Cardinals' front office have always been first-rate losers. It took an extraordinary season-long performance from Warner to pull the pathetic Cardinals out from the NFL duldrums...and he did it by having to put up 30 points a game because the Cardinal defense was at time downright pitiful. That defense was POORLY built and POORLY coached.

Sure, credit the Cardinals for drafting Boldin and Fitzgerald...but if it were not for Warner, who would have gotten the ball? And on top of it, Warner got the ball to Breaston for another 1,000 yards.

But look at the front offices' dealings with just these three players:

Fitzgerald's outrageous contract and the agonizing delay for an extension ruined the free agency period last year.

Boldin...well we all know what's going on with him, don't we?

And now Warner, who last year was making a pittance for what he delivered.

Warner wants to be compensated. Well, if anyone deserves it he does.

Now I am understanding more and more what Q means when he says, "it's the principle."

 

[Skkorpion]

Bruce Cooper did not say that. I watched it. Bruce tried to lead Warner into affirming that and Warner was his usual non-committal smiling self.

 

[O]

Bruce Cooper did not say that. I watched it. Bruce tried to lead Warner into affirming that and Warner was his usual non-committal smiling self.

On the 5:00pm broadcast Bruce did say that, Warner was not interviewed on that broadcast with him.


Did it change on the 6:00 pm broadcast?

Did you see the 5:00pm broadcast?

 

[Skkorpion]

On the 5:00pm broadcast Bruce did say that, Warner was not interviewed on that broadcast with him.


Did it change on the 6:00 pm broadcast?

Did you see the 5:00pm broadcast?

That explains it. We saw different broadcasts. Don't know the time of mine but Cooper did interview Warner on video feed on the one I saw.

 

[CardLogic]

For those of you that say Warner will never complete 16 games this next year, didn't you say the same thing this last campaign? Warner is one of the more resilient qb's in the league. Sometimes it's better to keep one's mouth shut & be thought a fool, rather than open the mouth & remove all doubt.

No I didn't make that claim last year nothing even close to it. Go check if you like! In fact, I felt that Warner would be named the starter in an open competition, and he was.

Just out of curiosity Cardlogic, is there anything in Warner's career that hasn't defied conventional wisdom & logic? Was this year not a perfect example of that? How many 37 year olds have done what he did this year? Other than conventional wisdom that would say Warner should drop off next year b/c of his age, is there anything in his performance this year or since that would suggest that to be a given? His whole career is about beating the odds at every turn. Anything in his performance that would indicate this next year to be the exception? Please don't use his age, b/c age should have been the issue this year. Was it? Next.

All QB's are at high risk for injury. The fact that Warner started 20 games this past season without injury in itself place his him at a statistically higher risk for injury in the coming year. When closing in on 40 each succeeding year makes it ever more likely that the next season will be the season in which the erosion of his abilities becomes sadly evident. It's a fact of life. No one escapes it, some last longer than others. Brett Farve knows what I am talking about, he tried to go one year too long.

It may not be this coming season; and I hope it's not; but that time is coming sooner rather than later for Warner also. If he can perform at a high level for the next two years great, but the odds are against it. That's all.

 

[O]

That explains it. We saw different broadcasts. Don't know the time of mine but Cooper did interview Warner on video feed on the one I saw.

The misinformation being put out there right now is brilliant. Great theater!

 

[red desert]

Warner is revered in St. Louis. That means a great deal to him. It would not surprise me in the least if he took the offer. The Cardinals have taken advantage of Warner for well over a year now. And they STILL want to lowball him after what he did this past year. Who can really blame him if he says enough of this?

What? He's supposed to feel grateful the Cardinals gave him a chance after he put up nearly 30 points a game and a 5-3 record for the second half of 2007?

He had to suffer through the HUMILITY of not even being named an equal candidate to win the starting job, as Leinart was given it from the first day of the off-season.

Then the Cardinals had the temerity to even want Warner to restructure his deal last summer to make it more of a true "backups' salary...just to add to the humility. And this was a guy who played hurt the last eight games, with remarkable success.

The Cardinals' FO has its pants down more than ever and it is unthinkable that after the season Warner just gave to this organization that tonight he is dangling out there in free agency.

This is EXACTLY why the Cardinals' front office have always been first-rate losers. It took an extraordinary season-long performance from Warner to pull the pathetic Cardinals out from the NFL duldrums...and he did it by having to put up 30 points a game because the Cardinal defense was at time downright pitiful. That defense was POORLY built and POORLY coached.

Sure, credit the Cardinals for drafting Boldin and Fitzgerald...but if it were not for Warner, who would have gotten the ball? And on top of it, Warner got the ball to Breaston for another 1,000 yards.

But look at the front offices' dealings with just these three players:

Fitzgerald's outrageous contract and the agonizing delay for an extension ruined the free agency period last year.

Boldin...well we all know what's going on with him, don't we?

And now Warner, who last year was making a pittance for what he delivered.

Warner wants to be compensated. Well, if anyone deserves it he does.

Now I am understanding more and more what Q means when he says, "it's the principle."

I have never met the Bidwills or Graves, but I must confess, I have a great dislike for the lot of them.

I picture Bidwill Sr. in his dusty old library without windows, wearing an oversized smoking jacket, and advising Graves and Bidwill Jr., "Stay the course boys. My papi and I have been doing this for a while now. We know what we're doing and no one is going to tell is different, by george."

 

[vinnymac]

If Warner wants to start over with the 49ers or Rams then let him. 12 million per year is top money for a qb. I will even go as high as 14 million per season. If Warner wants Boldin to get a new deal he should take the 12 million. One thing 49ers & Rams don't have are wide outs. Even the top wr in FA are no where close to what Boldin & Fitz level. The 49ers have a great running game, but that isn't Kurt's style.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Why wouldn't the Rams offer him a deal? They can't sell out games and their QB is garbage. Makes a lot of sense actually for STL to money whip him.

 

[azsouthendzone]

I can see it now..."God told me to come back to STL and save the franchise".....

 

[Stout]

I'm a huge Kurt fan, but *if* and I really doubt it but *if* Kurt gets a 11mil+ offer from one of those teams ...then so long and thanks for all the fish.

I agree, and great reference. If we lose, it will be best if we DON'T PANIC.

 

[Brewster10]

I heard his agent on here in New York a few minutes ago stating tha Kurt is looking "for a team that is setup to win, and has pieces in place to run a dynamic offense"

Any talk of SF or St. Louis is just BS..

During the entire interview it seemed like the agent was hinting that there are really no other legit options outside of Arizona..

He said "there are a couple other situations that could be attractive" but the dude just kept coming back to Kurt and the Cardinals

 

[Cards232]

No I didn't make that claim last year nothing even close to it. Go check if you like! In fact, I felt that Warner would be named the starter in an open competition, and he was.


All QB's are at high risk for injury. The fact that Warner started 20 games this past season without injury in itself place his him at a statistically higher risk for injury in the coming year. When closing in on 40 each succeeding year makes it ever more likely that the next season will be the season in which the erosion of his abilities becomes sadly evident. It's a fact of life. No one escapes it, some last longer than others. Brett Farve knows what I am talking about, he tried to go one year too long.

It may not be this coming season; and I hope it's not; but that time is coming sooner rather than later for Warner also. If he can perform at a high level for the next two years great, but the odds are against it. That's all.

Dude, you're missing my point. The odds have been against Warner virtually his entire career. There are some athletes that transcend the odds. A lot of people bet against him this year on many different levels. The odds are going to be against him this coming year once again. I wouldn't bet against him. Would you?

 

[ajcardfan]

I heard his agent on here in New York a few minutes ago stating tha Kurt is looking "for a team that is setup to win, and has pieces in place to run a dynamic offense"

Any talk of SF or St. Louis is just BS..

During the entire interview it seemed like the agent was hinting that there are really no other legit options outside of Arizona..

He said "there are a couple other situations that could be attractive" but the dude just kept coming back to Kurt and the Cardinals

Yeah, I heard him on XTRA910 today, and he was not even slightly negative about the Cardinals. He certainly didn't sound like a guy who was pissed and really looking elsewhere. Beleive me, I've heard a lot of those agents over the years, he was not like that at all.

 

[CardLogic]

Dude, you're missing my point. The odds have been against Warner virtually his entire career. There are some athletes that transcend the odds. A lot of people bet against him this year on many different levels. The odds are going to be against him this coming year once again. I wouldn't bet against him. Would you?

Ok, I agree that Warner has transcended the norm. But regarding betting against him...

I'll just say that I would'nt bet $14 million on him! But I would go around $10 million.

 

[moklerman]

Okay, let's look at this a different way. What specifically would signing Warner to a $12-14M deal keep the Cardinals from doing?

Does anyone think they're actually going to spend all the way to the cap limit?

Does anyone think they're going to make a blockbuster offer to a FA?

Does anyone think there's a FA worth a really big contract?

Let's stop acting like it's our own personal money and realize that a 1-2 year deal is going to look bigger than it actually is. If he was looking for a 5-6 year deal he would be crazy to expect $14-16M but for a two year deal where he has to get his money in those two years, it isn't that outrageous.

I haven't seen a list of the 2009 QB contracts but Warner asking to be top 5(which I'm assuming his agent has access to the other numbers out there) isn't crazy. It would be crazy to give him a long term deal at this point but not to pay him for the next year or two.