Was it me or did Janet Jackson's breast pop out during halftime?

[RugbyMuffin]

Originally posted by Stout
I know. It didn't seem as if his intentions were good, but it's a bit better if they were. Still, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I'm just one of those vets who gets VERY peeved when something like this happens. I'm very modern, but I still have some very old school beliefs.

I am with you. I accept and tolerate just about anything (as long as it doesn't infringe on my rights). But this stupid "Boob conspiracy" is BS. There are kids watching this. It is a kid's game. This was extremely f'd up. It was too "set up" looking, plus the network or Janet Jackson (go figure) did nothing to prevent it from happening.
A 15 year old ain't gonna remeber how the Pats beat Carolina. They will remember the "Booby Conspiracy". That is F'd up. I would be PO'd if it happened during the 1985 Bears Superbowl or one of my past young memories.

I am with Stout. This got me angry. Plus all the musical "talent" sucked anyway. MTV is the cancer of modern day "music/sex comercials".

How about a song NOT ABOUT SEX! There hasn't been one on MTV in 10 years

Peace

 

[cardsunsfan]

They're not all about sex, some are about killing and drugs

 

[Jersey Girl]

I was the only one who caught the boob show (lucky me) at my party. I was surprised, but it didn't bother me personally. Still, I think it was the wrong thing to do. Like I said to my sister yesterday, I would love trying to explain that to a son or daughter if I had any kids.

You know, when I was younger, we were all about watching the halftime show. I bet a lot of kids were paying attention to it because it was Justin Timberlake.

And, not to be a prude or anything, but I think having him rip off her clothes was worse than if she took it off herself. What does this say to young boys and girls? It's okay for people to rip your clothes off? I dunno. Perhaps that's a stretch, but I just think it didn't need to be done. MTV is always trying to do something new and shocking. Whatever.

 

[CardLogic]

Originally posted by Rivercard
I still remember my momma saying "don't judge a book by it's cover".

And:

"Stupid is as stupid does!"

 

[Stronso]

Message from Tags

We were extremely disappointed by the MTV-produced halftime show. It was totally inconsistent with assurances our office was given about the content of the show.



The show was offensive, inappropriate and embarrassing to us and our fans.



We will change our policy, our people and our processes for managing the halftime entertainment in the future in order to deal far more effectively with the quality of this aspect of the Super Bowl.



Commissioner Paul Tagliabue

 

[birdie]

I also thought the half time show was lousy.
But It's hard to see how people are getting so upset over the janet boob conspiracy - janet had 1 boob sticking out - NFL cheerleaders show 3/4's of two boobs, midriffs, explicit moves and more every sunday not to mention swimsuit calendars...I mean look at Brooke's photo - compared to Janet's boob shot. Nothing against the cheerleaders either but it just doesn't make sense to me how one thing is ok and the other isn't.
I mean I completely know why it is...it just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[WizardOfAz]

TiVo viewers liked it.

Most replays ever:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040203/tv_nm/television_tivo_dc_3

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by Stout
Well, then we disagree. I find desecration of the flag to be wrong, but you don't. No problems. You don't honestly feel it's wrong, so you can't be held at fault for that.

Now, if you did feel it was wrong and just didn't care...then we might have to have a go

Let me put it this way. I dont want to live in a country that legislates thoughts. And if you outlaw flag burning or flag descecration that is what you are doing.

I do not think it is wrong or right. I feel it is someones own beliefs whether they choose to burn/descecrate (sp) the flag or not.

In this case Kid Rock was doing neither.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by RugbyMuffin
I am with Stout. This got me angry. Plus all the musical "talent" sucked anyway. MTV is the cancer of modern day "music/sex comercials".

How about a song NOT ABOUT SEX! There hasn't been one on MTV in 10 years

Peace

Dont watch! It really is that simple

 

[Stout]

Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
Let me put it this way. I dont want to live in a country that legislates thoughts. And if you outlaw flag burning or flag descecration that is what you are doing.

I do not think it is wrong or right. I feel it is someones own beliefs whether they choose to burn/descecrate (sp) the flag or not.

In this case Kid Rock was doing neither.

It is difficult. Personally, I'd love a law against flag burning. Being someone in tune with the law, it's very hard to do constitutionally.

Still, people can protest in other ways. Would we let someone paintball the white house in protest? No way. Can someone throw eggs at a cop car? Nuh uh. Why? Because those are actions, not thoughts.

Hey, a person can hate my country or even my flag if they want (though if they're Americans, then they completely disgust me). When they take those thoughts and turn them into action, like burning the flag or one of the outrageous scenarios above, then, in my mind, they're breaking the law. Or should be.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
Dont watch! It really is that simple

Sorry you just can't say that in this case. You can change channels, and radio stations for TV shows, and radio shows that are on everyday. But the Superbowl is a big deal.

I am completely with you on the whole, if you don't like it then turn it off. But there was no warning to what was going to happen. Nobody knew the Superbowl halftime was going to be a sex commercial. AND Jackson admitted that it was "planned but not supposed to go as far as it went".

The Superbowl should be about football. And children should be allowed to watch the Superbowl. It is on once a year, and it should be kept in mind that families, adults and kids are watching.

I mean it was cool for all those watching with all their adult buddies. But think of all the kids, and their parents. Then it is not cool. You trying to relax the next thing you know boobie conspiracy.

But I think you do make a point. NOBODY is going to watch the halftime show next year. At least if kids are there.

It is like having a stripper undress during a commercial break for Charlie Brown's Christmas Special.

Peace



Bring back Beavis and Butthead's halftime show

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
Dont watch! It really is that simple

OH sorry!

I see. You mean MTV. I don't watch MTV. Ever. I have a brain, and refuse to containt myself to only the music that is regurgitated out of the radio and TV. But I am told by my younger siblings what is on MTV, and I unfortunately have to listen to the radio at work. So I know what is out there.

Trust me. Go out and find your own music that goes to your taste. It might be mainstream, but what if it is not. There is a lot more music out there then what you see on TV, and hear on the radio. Much of it is of better quality too.

 

[Lex]

I'm on the same wavelength as Jersey Girl.

In my opinion, the halftime shows and special commercials, are for all the people that are watching the Super Bowl, that don't watch football. Fine with me. I never see the halftime extravaganza. I didn't see this one either.

But by the harsh light of the day after the Super Bowl, I learned what all the fuss was about.

Did they really think viewers would believe it was a mistake?

Janet Jackson admitted it was her idea to pull off this stunt. Justin Timberlake was stupid enough to go along. What are mommy's telling their kids to explain what happened? Are they telling kids that it's not right for boys to rip girls clothes off? If boys rip girls clothes off, they go to jail right?

Or do they tell the truth, that it's ok for boys to rip girls clothes off, as long as the girl TELLS them to do it.

Great. Next question from little Johnny will be, is that what happened to Koby Bryant?

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by Stout
It is difficult. Personally, I'd love a law against flag burning. Being someone in tune with the law, it's very hard to do constitutionally.

Still, people can protest in other ways. Would we let someone paintball the white house in protest? No way. Can someone throw eggs at a cop car? Nuh uh. Why? Because those are actions, not thoughts.

Hey, a person can hate my country or even my flag if they want (though if they're Americans, then they completely disgust me). When they take those thoughts and turn them into action, like burning the flag or one of the outrageous scenarios above, then, in my mind, they're breaking the law. Or should be.

I kinda thought you might like a law against flag burning!

Egging the white house or a cop car is completly different. You are potentially harming someone else and defacing property that is not yours. (Although it is tax payers money funding the two, but you get my point). Fcat is, if I go and buy an American flag it is then MY property. Regardless of what anyone thinks it stands for. Some people see it as a symbol of democracy and freedom while others might see it as a symbol of a hypocrtical tyranny.

Point is, if you are gonna outlaw flag burning then in hand with that you would need to outlaw decorating the flag, or tying it to a tree where it potentially could get torn or ripped etc, or outlawing the flag may never touch the ground etc. Those are all in the same vein as burning the flag in regards to harming of the flag. Seems pretty silly to outlaw all of that doesnt it? I think so.

But when you had thoughts/feelings into it thats when flag burning becomes such a "hot" issue (pun intended). No one really cares if a mother of a soldier hangs the flag off her house and it gets ripped up, craped on by birds, etc, because her "intentions" where to display the flag out of respect and memory of her son.

But take that same mother and let her light the flag on fire and now all of a sudden it is disrespectful to our country and to the flag and what it stands for.

See what I am drilling at here. It isnt about the piece of cloth, it is about peoples beliefs and thoughts. What proponets of outlawing flag burning are essentially saying is that it is ok to desicrate the flag as long as your INTENTIONS are good. (I.E It is ok for that mother to possibkly have the flag ripped to shreds and crapped on by birds if she is doing it to support out troops)

That is why this issue isnt about a piece of cloth and more about trying to legislate thoughts!

 

[Billy Flynt]

Janet's boobie booboo

"If I was Justin Timberlake, I would have gone for 2."
- John Fox, Carolina Panthers Head Coach

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by RugbyMuffin
OH sorry!

I see. You mean MTV. I don't watch MTV. Ever. I have a brain, and refuse to containt myself to only the music that is regurgitated out of the radio and TV. But I am told by my younger siblings what is on MTV, and I unfortunately have to listen to the radio at work. So I know what is out there.

Trust me. Go out and find your own music that goes to your taste. It might be mainstream, but what if it is not. There is a lot more music out there then what you see on TV, and hear on the radio. Much of it is of better quality too.

Yes I did mean MTV. And I agree with you. If you dont like it you dont have to listen to it, and if more people do that then it would become obsolete real fast.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Re: Janet's boobie booboo

Originally posted by casablanca
"If I was Justin Timberlake, I would have gone for 2."
- John Fox, Carolina Panthers Head Coach

 

[Stout]

LV, like I said, I doubt it's possible to legally have a law against it. Doesn't mean I can't want one, though. As a vet, I just find it disgusting. I'm going to try and look up the quote I have on the issue...I'll be back.

 

[Stout]

Here! Found it!

"I want you to close your eyes and picture in your mind the soldier at Valley Forge, as he holds his musket in his bloody hands. He stands barefoot in the snow, starved from lack of food, wounded from months of battle, and emotionally scarred from the eternity away from his family, surrounded by nothing but death and carnage of war. He stands, though, with fire in his eyes and victory on his breath. He looks at us now in anger and disgust and tells us this...

I gave you a birthright of freedom born in the Constitution, and now your children graduate too illiterate to read it.

I fought in the snow barefoot to give you the freedom to vote, and you stay at home because it rains.

I left my family destitute to give you the freedom of speech, and you remain silent on critical issues, because it might be bad for business.

I orphaned my children to give you a government to serve you, and it has stolen democracy from the people.

It's the soldier, not the reporter, who gives you the freedom of the press.

It's the soldier, not the poet, who gives you the freedom of speech.

It's the soldier, not the campus organizer, who allows you to demonstrate.

It's the soldier who salutes the flag, serves the flag, whose coffin is draped with the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag!!!"

It's completely outrageous, disgusting and repugnant that I and others have fought and served to win and defend our freedom, only to have ingrates abuse that freedom by desecrating MY F-ING COUNTRY. They've spit on us, sworn at us, derided us, and abused us. Yet without us, they would be slaves, lackeys or 2nd-rate citizens. God bless the U.S.A., huh?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Originally posted by Stout
LV, like I said, I doubt it's possible to legally have a law against it. Doesn't mean I can't want one, though. As a vet, I just find it disgusting. I'm going to try and look up the quote I have on the issue...I'll be back.

Stout you know what gets me angry ?

I support, and love the American armed forces. The brave that fight to defend our homeland, and our rights.

Yet, what I find disgusting is the abuse of power by our government to send our armed forces out of ludicrist missions of death. And send our men to death without opting to find different ways to get things accomplished.

Then by using propaganda, and guilty lines like "don't you love our country, freedom isn't free, and don't you enjoy your freedom" they squash any voice that is against sending troops to there deaths.

AND ON TOP OF ALL THAT, when the troops come home the government treats them like crapola and never pays them the dues owed.

And where is this freedom you fight for? As they slowly take away our civil rights with one hand, they wave the flag and talk about freedom and the price to pay for it with another.

It is B.S. and our armed forces deserve better.

Peace

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by Stout
It's the soldier who salutes the flag, serves the flag, whose coffin is draped with the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag!!!"

Exactly. The fact that we are allowed to burn the flag is a testament to the freedoms our soldiers have fought for. Being prosecuted for burning a flag (that is your own property) would be un-american.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by Stout
Here! Found it!

"I want you to close your eyes and picture in your mind the soldier at Valley Forge, as he holds his musket in his bloody hands. He stands barefoot in the snow, starved from lack of food, wounded from months of battle, and emotionally scarred from the eternity away from his family, surrounded by nothing but death and carnage of war. He stands, though, with fire in his eyes and victory on his breath. He looks at us now in anger and disgust and tells us this...

I gave you a birthright of freedom born in the Constitution, and now your children graduate too illiterate to read it.

I fought in the snow barefoot to give you the freedom to vote, and you stay at home because it rains.

I left my family destitute to give you the freedom of speech, and you remain silent on critical issues, because it might be bad for business.

I orphaned my children to give you a government to serve you, and it has stolen democracy from the people.

It's the soldier, not the reporter, who gives you the freedom of the press.

It's the soldier, not the poet, who gives you the freedom of speech.

It's the soldier, not the campus organizer, who allows you to demonstrate.

It's the soldier who salutes the flag, serves the flag, whose coffin is draped with the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag!!!"

It's completely outrageous, disgusting and repugnant that I and others have fought and served to win and defend our freedom, only to have ingrates abuse that freedom by desecrating MY F-ING COUNTRY. They've spit on us, sworn at us, derided us, and abused us. Yet without us, they would be slaves, lackeys or 2nd-rate citizens. God bless the U.S.A., huh?

Ok I dont know where to begin.
Lets start here:

First off, I am not a veteren and will not pretend that I know anything about being in the military. I do salute you and every other veteren that has fought for this country however.

Having said that, I will only say that no soldier ever died for the Flag. PERIOD. That isnt the reason countries go to war, it isnt what this country was founded on, and has nothign to do with the real meaning behind this arguement.

"It's the soldier who salutes the flag, serves the flag, whose coffin is draped with the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag!!!""

So what this is saying is that you are willing to go to war for something you believe in but then outlaw it? If you go to war to protect the freedoms (not the flag), the democracy (not the flag), and the consitution (not the flag) then why would you want to legislate it? Makes no sense to me.


"It's completely outrageous, disgusting and repugnant that I and others have fought and served to win and defend our freedom, only to have ingrates abuse that freedom by desecrating MY F-ING COUNTRY. They've spit on us, sworn at us, derided us, and abused us. Yet without us, they would be slaves, lackeys or 2nd-rate citizens. God bless the U.S.A., huh?"

No one is desecrating your country! It is a flag, a piece of cloth, it is not our collective "freedoms", it is not our collective "inalienable rights" it is a PIECE OF CLOTH!

If you fought for your country for freedom, why would you not be happy to see someone with THE ABILITY TO BURN THE FLAG WITHOUT BEING THROWN IN JAIL? Isnt that freedom?

 

[az240zz]

I think that the whole Half time show really shows the gap in viewers ages. My guess that most of us over 40 or 45 find the half time show distasteful and repugnant while most of those in the 18-35 age group wasn't bothered as much by it.

Az240z

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by az240zz
I think that the whole Half time show really shows the gap in viewers ages. My guess that most of us over 40 or 45 find the half time show distasteful and repugnant while most of those in the 18-35 age group wasn't bothered as much by it.

Az240z

I wasnt bothered by it and yes I am younger than 35, but if I had kids watching it then I would have been upset!

 

[Stout]

Originally posted by Rivercard
Exactly. The fact that we are allowed to burn the flag is a testament to the freedoms our soldiers have fought for. Being prosecuted for burning a flag (that is your own property) would be un-american.

Sadly, it's the abuse of freedom that 'allows' them to burn the flag. Some idiots will do absolutely everything they can until they break the law. I personally would love everyone that burns a flag from hate to be drug into the street and shot, but that's just me. Morally, I can't justify banning flag burning. Of course, morally, I can't justify flag burning either, so I'm perpetually in a catch-22 on the issue.