Water under the bridge, but screw you Butler!

[eastcoastSUN]

Ok, no sense on dwelling on the past, but just want to call attention to our All Pro Punter Butler. Just rewatched the last play and the snap, albeit slightly low, was definitely MANAGEABLE. Look at :36, it's a line drive coming right at Butler and he puts the ball on the ground himself! And then to finish it off, he has the audacity to tell Cat "bad snap bro... <shrug>, not my fault".

Slow Friday... at least Brandon Williams can justify his inexperience on his lousy performance. Butler can't field snaps OR punt to save his life.

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[Jetstream Green]

I do not know what others may think, but your dang holder should be an athlete or your backup QB in case it gets botched and you have no other option but to try and make the first down or touchdown

 

[Jim Otis]

I do not know what others may think, but your dang holder should be an athlete or your backup QB in case it gets botched and you have no other option but to try and make the first down or touchdown

Strange you should say that because in the old days it was standard that the backup QB was the holder , I never understood why they went away from that .

 

[Redneck Voodoo]

Strange you should say that because in the old days it was standard that the backup QB was the holder , I never understood why they went away from that .

I remember that too, although Larry Wilson used to hold for Jim Bakken.

I don't really remember who it was before or after. Maybe Roger Wehrli?

 

[BigRedRage]

Strange you should say that because in the old days it was standard that the backup QB was the holder , I never understood why they went away from that .

Romo lost a playoff game as the holder on a kick

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[BigRedRage]

Ok, no sense on dwelling on the past, but just want to call attention to our All Pro Punter Butler. Just rewatched the last play and the snap, albeit slightly low, was definitely MANAGEABLE. Look at :36, it's a line drive coming right at Butler and he puts the ball on the ground himself! And then to finish it off, he has the audacity to tell Cat "bad snap bro... <shrug>, not my fault".

Slow Friday... at least Brandon Williams can justify his inexperience on his lousy performance. Butler can't field snaps OR punt to save his life.

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It was a bad snap, he had to lean, that's why the ball hit the ground

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[eastcoastSUN]

Romo lost a playoff game as the holder on a kick

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Good point. Although to his credit, Romo has done plenty of overall good things for the Cowpies to warrant a bad snap (granted, it came at quite possibly the worst time in a playoff game). I can't remember the last time Butler pinned someone inside their own 10.

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[TruColor]

I remember that too, although Larry Wilson used to hold for Jim Bakken.

I don't really remember who it was before or after. Maybe Roger Wehrli?

Yep - Roger held for Bakken after Larry.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

Yeah, i saw someone else mention on this board, i find it hard to believe he is one of the 32 best punters in the world. He should have been replaced this offseason.

 

[unseenaz]

dude, are you kidding me? it was a terrible terrible TERRIBLE snap. butler did about as good as you can imagine with what he had to work with, but you blame him? let's blame catanzaro who, i don't know... MISSED THE KICK?

 

[Jasper]

What if it was 3rd down, bad snap Butler just falls on the ball. Would we get another chance at another FG?

 

[b8rtm8nn]

dude, are you kidding me? it was a terrible terrible TERRIBLE snap. butler did about as good as you can imagine with what he had to work with, but you blame him? let's blame catanzaro who, i don't know... MISSED THE KICK?

+1

Except blame the long snapper - everyone on that crew and the coaches knew he screwed up the snap, ho took responsibility for it. Butler couldn't handle it because he had to lean forward to grab a low and outside snap while on a bad ankle. He actually did a good job of setting the ball, but the timing was all eff'ed up.

 

[eastcoastSUN]

dude, are you kidding me? it was a terrible terrible TERRIBLE snap. butler did about as good as you can imagine with what he had to work with, but you blame him? let's blame catanzaro who, i don't know... MISSED THE KICK?

Hmm... I respectfully disagree... I acknowledge the snap could have been better, but take a look at the angle at which Butler gets the ball. He brings it down himself violently - with a little more control, it could have been set up better. But then you'd have to rationalize that Cat would have still made the kick with a decent snap.

My point is, Butler sucks. I took a still from the video shown below. If you were a casual observer and did not know the outcome of the game, would you come to the conclusion, judging solely from the pic below, that it was a bad snap?

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[bojack]

Anyone who watches big games on Saturday throughout the season can identify a handful of punters who are better. Punter is basically the only position that does not have a drastic change between college and NFL. Our special teams has killed us in so many games regardless of win or lose you would think it would be a priority to fix that. Its not just punting but that is a big part of it. Coverage and return game is poor also. Butler and Stanton are the golden boys on this apparently. At least with Stanton they can use the excuse about it is hard to bring someone in to learn the system. A punter just needs to do one thing, get optimal field position.

 

[Darkside]

You guys are over analyzing minutia.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I blame Catanazaro. He needs to make that kick. No matter what happened prior, the ball was in position to be kicked through the uprights. Bad snaps/holds happen, good kickers still knock them through.

 

[schutd]

If you were a casual observer and did not know the outcome of the game, would you come to the conclusion, judging solely from the pic below, that it was a bad snap?

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Because the world operates within a single frame of a 24 frames per second microcosm.....

 

[b8rtm8nn]

Hmm... I respectfully disagree... I acknowledge the snap could have been better, but take a look at the angle at which Butler gets the ball. He brings it down himself violently - with a little more control, it could have been set up better. But then you'd have to rationalize that Cat would have still made the kick with a decent snap.

My point is, Butler sucks. I took a still from the video shown below. If you were a casual observer and did not know the outcome of the game, would you come to the conclusion, judging solely from the pic below, that it was a bad snap?

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That is just as easy to counter - bad snap - fast ball, low and away from the kicker. Butler did a good job with it.

So you don't like Butler and you think we need a better punter. You have a lot of support on this board, but focusing on an event where he did a good job with a bad snap is pointless.

 

[JeffGollin]

True, we might be overanalyzing minutae, but we, ahem...lost.

& when you lose, it doesn't hurt to ask yourself: "Why did we lose?" and "How do we avoid this in the future?"

Butler, Cannady and/or Catanzaro logically were responsible, but - given BA's emphasis on "situational football", I have to wonder out loud whether Cardinal ST's spend enough time (if any) on "botched snap" drills. Hindsight yada yada, but maybe the coaches don't place a priority on this, but it's cost us a FB game and is, therefore, worth extra attention.

 

[GuernseyCard]

If it had been 37 yards, not 47.... they would have made it.

 

[OKCardFan]

Romo lost a playoff game as the holder on a kick

Still love this Tony Romo action figure that was on ebay! Thanks for that, I needed a good laugh after this week.

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[Darkside]

True, we might be overanalyzing minutae, but we, ahem...lost.

& when you lose, it doesn't hurt to ask yourself: "Why did we lose?" and "How do we avoid this in the future?"

Butler, Cannady and/or Catanzaro logically were responsible, but - given BA's emphasis on "situational football", I have to wonder out loud whether Cardinal ST's spend enough time (if any) on "botched snap" drills. Hindsight yada yada, but maybe the coaches don't place a priority on this, but it's cost us a FB game and is, therefore, worth extra attention.

Trust me, ya'll are analyzing minutia. It was a bad snap, and a missed field goal. The lone issue isn't our long-snapper or our punter Butler. The issue is special teams. Big picture items: like all our kickoffs, kick returns, punts, punt returns, and now FG's and long-snapping. Our special teams will lose us more games. I will give Cat some leeway on his kickoffs, because with the new rules, you don't really want it deep in the endzone anyway, it's better if you kick it to about the 5, but only if your kickoff coverage teams can get there, and we can't, because we're awful on ST's.

Disagree about practicing "botched snap" drills, that's a waste of valuable time and resources. That happens so infrequently. If the special teams were coached in a professional manner in the first place this wouldn't be an issue.

Disagree about Fitz handling the holding duties, that's just ignorant. In so many ways I don't even...let's call it laziness on my part, I don't have time to explain why this idea is stupid.

Butler is fine holding. The dude snatches hikes out of the air while he's punting. He's used to the different rotation as it comes out of the long-snappers hands, which is different than a pass (if you had Fitz back there). It's fine if you don't like him as a punter, but he's got the hands to hold down a kick, and he did a good job on Sunday.

The reason this thread is minutia is because we never should have been in that situation. We have a good team. I'm more concerned with why it was even that close. And that's the responsibility of the offense and defense. They didn't do their jobs. That worries me a hell of a lot more than a missed FG on a freak snap.

 

[Russ Smith]

He's a crappy punter but that was a bad snap and it's the snappers fault.

For people blaming the kicker he had to cut his stride because of the snap that's what caused him to miss.

 

[Cardiac]

Trust me, ya'll are analyzing minutia. It was a bad snap, and a missed field goal. The lone issue isn't our long-snapper or our punter Butler. The issue is special teams. Big picture items: like all our kickoffs, kick returns, punts, punt returns, and now FG's and long-snapping. Our special teams will lose us more games. I will give Cat some leeway on his kickoffs, because with the new rules, you don't really want it deep in the endzone anyway, it's better if you kick it to about the 5, but only if your kickoff coverage teams can get there, and we can't, because we're awful on ST's.

I agree our ST's are bad right now but the biggest issues this past game were Butler's poor punting and our rookie long snapper blowing it at the end of the game.

Disagree about practicing "botched snap" drills, that's a waste of valuable time and resources. That happens so infrequently. If the special teams were coached in a professional manner in the first place this wouldn't be an issue.

Completely disagree, the resources being "wasted" are the punter, kicker and long snapper. They aren't needed when the O and D are practicing so they could spend time practicing handling bad snaps better.

Disagree about Fitz handling the holding duties, that's just ignorant. In so many ways I don't even...let's call it laziness on my part, I don't have time to explain why this idea is stupid.

Fitz has fantastic hands but I agree I don't want him doing this job.

Butler is fine holding. The dude snatches hikes out of the air while he's punting. He's used to the different rotation as it comes out of the long-snappers hands, which is different than a pass (if you had Fitz back there). It's fine if you don't like him as a punter, but he's got the hands to hold down a kick, and he did a good job on Sunday.

I agree with the above. Buthead actually did a good job getting that bad snap into a kickable position.

The reason this thread is minutia is because we never should have been in that situation. We have a good team. I'm more concerned with why it was even that close. And that's the responsibility of the offense and defense. They didn't do their jobs. That worries me a hell of a lot more than a missed FG on a freak snap.

For someone who is bemoaning the lack of discussion and activity on the site I'm surprised you would be so dismissive of this one.

 

[NJCardFan]

Strange you should say that because in the old days it was standard that the backup QB was the holder , I never understood why they went away from that .

Because they went away from carrying 3 QB's. Now most teams only carry/suit up 2 and don't want to risk injury to the backup. That's my guess.