We got screwed

[conraddobler]

There's billions and billions of dollars in the game of football and billions and billions more bet every Sunday.

IT'S HUGE!!!!

Massive amounts of money but you never hear of a scandal with all that money sloshing around.

Dosen't really make a lot of sense does it?

 

[Russ Smith]

Blaming a blown call is weak. Earn the win. Make a stop. Get a first down. No excuses...

What's weak is Calais Campbell's excuse that they gave up the TD on the next play because "they took advantage of our emotions thinking we had the fumble."

IT was a bad call but you can't just not play, Peterson looks bad there getting burned but the whole defense quit on that play.

 

[conraddobler]

What's weak is Calais Campbell's excuse that they gave up the TD on the next play because "they took advantage of our emotions thinking we had the fumble."

IT was a bad call but you can't just not play, Peterson looks bad there getting burned but the whole defense quit on that play.

I don't know if I thought I was robbed by accident then sure I would probably keep playing but if it rose to the level I started to think it was on purpose?

 

[AzStevenCal]

There's billions and billions of dollars in the game of football and billions and billions more bet every Sunday.

IT'S HUGE!!!!

Massive amounts of money but you never hear of a scandal with all that money sloshing around.

Dosen't really make a lot of sense does it?

Sure it does, it makes a lot of sense. I don't think the games are fixed but I do think the NFL is dirty. I think there are officials, players and probably even coaches with an agenda that isn't pure. However, there is so much money involved that I really believe it's functionally a random event. I mean, really, what are the odds that with the money being so huge that it would generate gambling within the game, that there wouldn't be multiple forces at work.

Steve

 

[conraddobler]

Sure it does, it makes a lot of sense. I don't think the games are fixed but I do think the NFL is dirty. I think there are officials, players and probably even coaches with an agenda that isn't pure. However, there is so much money involved that I really believe it's functionally a random event. I mean, really, what are the odds that with the money being so huge that it would generate gambling within the game, that there wouldn't be multiple forces at work.

Steve

Could be.

 

[Russ Smith]

Read Sando today with his comments on the NFL explanation that it's the right call. It couldn't be more BS if they tried. Sando said this
"There is no specific set of requirements a runner must satisfy when declaring himself down. That means a runner can be declared down even if he slips to the ground, provided the referee thinks the runner meant to declare himself down on the play. "

That's his interpretation of what the NFL said and it's completely untrue. There are reasons for the rule, so defenders can't intentionally not touch the guy and waste seconds at the end of a game. And for safety, so the guy can give himself up and nobody comes in and hits him late. But Pereira made it really clear they look for specific things, either sliding feet first, or the kneel down. The only part of the rule that applies to Cruz is he didn't make any effort to go forward after the play.

The other thing is as has been pointed otu repeatedly, the whistle doesn't blow until after Marshall picks up the ball. they blew it then to make it clear the play was over but we heard it then but never heard it when they apparently blew the play dead the first time?

But the NFL has already spoken and declared the call correct, it'll be interesting to see what Pereira says about it now that the NFL has essentially said he's wrong.

 

[ajcardfan]

Yeah, the defense gave up the TD on the next play. But, doesn't, and cannot change, the fact that the correct call on the fumble gives us a win.

Oh, and Porter was held, big time, on the game-winning TD throw. Ref looked right at it and didn't throw the flag.

 

[desertdawg]

I don't think the ref did it on purpose (the whistle blower), I think he's an idiot. 3 Cardinals standing around and they knew the ball was still live, but the ref blew the play dead, it's ridiculous. I remember we had the "whistle" plays every Monday, with different teams getting robbed each time. Friggin refs blowing plays dead, then the review couldn't happen.

We did get robbed, screwed, jobbed, jacked, and funked on that call. I don't care if it's an interception or a fumble, or how or why it happens (fluke or just good D), the officiating has to get the call right or the winner doesn't win. It should have been Cardinal ball and that's all there is to it.

That's about all I got this week, I am just trying to smile while I watch some of these Az fans fold quicker than the team they swear folds so much. Playcall bothered me some, the officiating bothered me more, but this aint a superbowl caliber squad right now. We do have some nice pieces and a whole season to tweak things and find an identity, I never thought it would happen by week 4 with a new DC (calling for his head right now is beyond me), a new QB, and no offseason. The ability to close a game is what we are searching for, and we aint there yet.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yeah, the defense gave up the TD on the next play. But, doesn't, and cannot change, the fact that the correct call on the fumble gives us a win.

for everyone saying this gets us the win... there were still 3 minutes on the clock. who the hell actually believes we get a first down there? We don't, we probably have to punt the ball with 1:15 left, hit another 40 yarder, giving Eli a minute left to drive the Giants 30 yards to set up a game-tying FG... or probably throw a 40 yard touchdown with a defense that thought it won the game already.

it was like it under two minutes and the Giants had no timeouts left. even if we get that fumble, there are three minutes left, the two-minute warning and the heartless offense/defense's in ability to close games out. that game would have been far from over had we gotten that call.

 

[DeAnna]

10 point lead with a little over 5 minutes left. Should have never been in that position in the first place. Put the blame where it belongs; the clueless secondary.

Fixed that for you

Everyone was muttering "gave up a 10 pt lead with 5 minutes!! unbelieveable!" not many really blaming the ref for the call.

 

[DeAnna]

Yeah, the defense gave up the TD on the next play. But, doesn't, and cannot change, the fact that the correct call on the fumble gives us a win.

How so? Cuz they did get the ball back and couldn't move it anyway.

 

[ajcardfan]

for everyone saying this gets us the win... there were still 3 minutes on the clock. who the hell actually believes we get a first down there? We don't, we probably have to punt the ball with 1:15 left, hit another 40 yarder, giving Eli a minute left to drive the Giants 30 yards to set up a game-tying FG... or probably throw a 40 yard touchdown with a defense that thought it won the game already.

it was like it under two minutes and the Giants had no timeouts left. even if we get that fumble, there are three minutes left, the two-minute warning and the heartless offense/defense's in ability to close games out. that game would have been far from over had we gotten that call.

You are right, but I like our chances much better under the scenario of recovered fumble than trying to make a TD drive to win the game.

 

[ajcardfan]

How so? Cuz they did get the ball back and couldn't move it anyway.

Well, we moved it 50 yards, it's not like we went 4 and out.


I'm mad at the team too, but I don't get the rush of Cards fans wanting to absolve the refs for their part in the fiasco.

 

[Buckybird]

Read Sando today with his comments on the NFL explanation that it's the right call. It couldn't be more BS if they tried. Sando said this
"There is no specific set of requirements a runner must satisfy when declaring himself down. That means a runner can be declared down even if he slips to the ground, provided the referee thinks the runner meant to declare himself down on the play. "

That's his interpretation of what the NFL said and it's completely untrue. There are reasons for the rule, so defenders can't intentionally not touch the guy and waste seconds at the end of a game. And for safety, so the guy can give himself up and nobody comes in and hits him late. But Pereira made it really clear they look for specific things, either sliding feet first, or the kneel down. The only part of the rule that applies to Cruz is he didn't make any effort to go forward after the play.

The other thing is as has been pointed otu repeatedly, the whistle doesn't blow until after Marshall picks up the ball. they blew it then to make it clear the play was over but we heard it then but never heard it when they apparently blew the play dead the first time?

But the NFL has already spoken and declared the call correct, it'll be interesting to see what Pereira says about it now that the NFL has essentially said he's wrong.

The NFL is so full of ****!!!

I guarantee you the rule will be adjusted next year, watch.

It's such a vague rule just like whether the QB was trying throw the ball or tuck it in the tuck rule & the BS that used to be when a receiver made "a football move" on possessing a catch. It's all about interpretation & all the refs call almost everything they see differantly. Seems like most of the rules are to cover the refs ass...whatever happened to common sense?

 

[AzStevenCal]

Well, we moved it 50 yards, it's not like we went 4 and out.


I'm mad at the team too, but I don't get the rush of Cards fans wanting to absolve the refs for their part in the fiasco.

I don't absolve the refs but I just can't place this loss on them. They blew the call but there's just no excuse for us losing this game. I could maybe see it if we had done something terrific and the refs took it away from us but this was more of a luck thing. We should have won this on that fortuitous play but we had plenty of chances to earn the win and we fell flat on our face instead.

Steve

 

[Russ Smith]

The NFL is so full of ****!!!

I guarantee you the rule will be adjusted next year, watch.

It's such a vague rule just like whether the QB was trying throw the ball or tuck it in the tuck rule & the BS that used to be when a receiver made "a football move" on possessing a catch. It's all about interpretation & all the refs call almost everything they see differantly. Seems like most of the rules are to cover the refs ass...whatever happened to common sense?

For his part Pereira is not backing down. he's said on his twitter account he does not agree the rule was put in effect to protect what Cruz did. he said the guy fell down, he didn't cleary give himself up and that rule should not apply. He doesn't care what the NFL say he's insisting it was wrong.

I think the rule probably gets tweaked next year to make it more clear.

But we're 1-3 no matter what and that sucks when all 3 losses were winnable.

 

[crisper57]

When are we gonna figure out that if we leave it up to the refs, we're gonna be screwed. We don't get these types of calls!

We fumbled in the red zone. If we score a TD in that situation, the bad call doesn't matter.

When Whiz challenged the non-TD call, it was terrible. The Giants had 12 men on the field and we had first-and-goal. The G-Men had to burn a timeout or risk a penalty on the goal line. But no one is paying attention to that and we waste our own timeout on a failed challenge.

When it is a mid-range passing play, our corners are still giving too much cushion on the line and letting receivers get past the first down markers before they even engage them.

We continue to start Levi.

Ugh.

 

[chickenhead]

We blew the game and got screwed at the same time. Amazing.

I'm not going to waste my team wondering if the NFL is rigged because I think more than anything it's a matter of the Cardinals not getting the calls based on a century of history. And bad game management in the present doesn't help matters.

 

[Cheesebeef]

ding dong.

 

[chickenhead]

Michael Silver has a great take on the Cruz play at the end of his Yahoo piece, and he's no Cardinals homer.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_y...ver_morning_rush_tom_brady_joe_montana_100311

It's just dumb. The worst part is that I had both Nicks and Beanie starting on my fantasy team yesterday, and Beanie's performance rendered that Nicks TD useless many times over for me...

 

[WildBB]

Michael Silver has a great take on the Cruz play at the end of his Yahoo piece, and he's no Cardinals homer.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_y...ver_morning_rush_tom_brady_joe_montana_100311

It's just dumb. The worst part is that I had both Nicks and Beanie starting on my fantasy team yesterday, and Beanie's performance rendered that Nicks TD useless many times over for me...

Man, did you see that flag on Seymoure! These freaking ref's are toooo overprotective....and too many clueless. The game is really getting ruined.

 

[Rivercard]

Should we even mention the phantom hold on Levi in the first half that negated a nifty Wells run to the 10 yard line? Instead we're 30 yards back and 1st & 20. Levi actually blocked a guy well there for a change, and gets the drive killing flag. Zebras don't seem to like Cardinals.

 

[Russ Smith]

Should we even mention the phantom hold on Levi in the first half that negated a nifty Wells run to the 10 yard line? Instead we're 30 yards back and 1st & 20. Levi actually blocked a guy well there for a change, and gets the drive killing flag. Zebras don't seem to like Cardinals.

That was a makeup for the blow to the head call where the defender didn't even actually connect.

I was ok with the 2nd call because the first call was so bad.

 

[Rivercard]

That was a makeup for the blow to the head call where the defender didn't even actually connect.

Not buying it. If refs purposely call "make-ups" like that, then NFL football is a complete farce.

 

[gamebird98]

Well, All the the Giant fans here in Upstate NY said that it was a CORRECT call.....so that is that!!!!