Week 12 Heroes and Goats

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One thing about being a good football team — we haven't heard from the terrible FOX crew in a freaking month. I'd forgotten how brutal it is to hear from FOX's C-squad.

Man, you are 100% correct on this one. I was getting more frustrated listening to Ronde Barber than watching the Cardinals play like crap. I do like Meyers though. I could only imagine what he was thinking having to sit and listen to Barber the entire game!
 

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I just don't associate David Johnson with providing a physical presence.

When he refused to square up and take it into the endzone on one of the team's several failures inside the 5 it told me he is hardly a tough runner.
 

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I just don't associate David Johnson with providing a physical presence.

When he refused to square up and take it into the endzone on one of the team's several failures inside the 5 it told me he is hardly a tough runner.

Are you referring to the sweep where he rightfully tried to use his speed to get the corner??? Had he squared up and tried to drive it on it would have failed miserably... Had 3 or 4 49ers directly in front of him and he blocking was ****.... One of them should've been able to be blocked by Massie but he had a better angle came right around untouched ....
 

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Are you referring to the sweep where he rightfully tried to use his speed to get the corner??? Had he squared up and tried to drive it on it would have failed miserably... Had 3 or 4 49ers directly in front of him and he blocking was ****.... One of them should've been able to be blocked by Massie but he had a better angle came right around untouched ....

I am and he totally wimped out. If he ran hard and turned it in he would have scored.
 
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I am and he totally wimped out. If he ran hard and turned it in he would have scored.

I think that's a blocking problem. I wish that he'd stuck his foot in the ground and punched it into the end zone, too, but that's not what happened. I can't tell you right now if the hole had opened up.

I don't think that the design for all these plays is to bounce outside. I think that cutback lanes should be opening up for all three backs, but the blocking has been bad enough that they don't appear.
 

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I think that's a blocking problem. I wish that he'd stuck his foot in the ground and punched it into the end zone, too, but that's not what happened. I can't tell you right now if the hole had opened up.

I don't think that the design for all these plays is to bounce outside. I think that cutback lanes should be opening up for all three backs, but the blocking has been bad enough that they don't appear.

Russ made a comment in the game Thread so I went back and looked at it in slow motion frame by frame. I say no way in hell he makes it in... The corner was his best option... Will be interesting to see what you think when you watch the game film? By the way nice write up this week
 
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I think that's a blocking problem. I wish that he'd stuck his foot in the ground and punched it into the end zone, too, but that's not what happened. I can't tell you right now if the hole had opened up.

I don't think that the design for all these plays is to bounce outside. I think that cutback lanes should be opening up for all three backs, but the blocking has been bad enough that they don't appear.

That play infuriated me when it happened. I don't know if I would say the hole opened but it was apparent if he kept going wide they were going to string it out and he had to as you said stick his foot in the ground and go forward and instead he wimped out and ran into the defender.

He had run hard earlier and did again late but that would have been a TD if he'd turned upfield there was enough there for him to get one yard but I think he lost 2 by going sideways.

I thought he did ok, had some tough runs later on, they showed him on the sideline holding the ball so my guess is they have him working on the fumbling now and he seemed fine.

Palmer was furious with Ellington on that screen, he got tripped and just stayed down and Palmer threw the ball at the ground and then yelled at him "get up." Not sure the play was going anywhere but Carson was clearly furious with him for not getting up faster.

It's weird 3 weeks ago we had as good a trio of RB's as there was in the NFL. Now Johnson is clearly slowing down and then hurt, Ellington keeps wimping out and then got hurt and suddenly it's DJ and Taylor. I'm guessing we'll sit both injured guys and bring Kerwynn back as the 3rd RB.

Infuriating that CJ got hurt on such a dumb play too, did they really think someone was going to cover Palmer on a stacked WR set? They just took his man and he came flying off the edge and hit CJ in the knee. Really dumb play.
 

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James Bettcher

Bettcher had no answer for the bigger, more physical lineup that the 49ers brought to bear. It’ll be interesting to see whether San Francisco has created a blueprint for stymieing the Cardinals defense — if you have enough big guys to overwhelm the multi-defensive back lineup, you can impose your will.
I'm not getting the Bettcher bashing. In 2 games vs. SF his defense has given up exactly 20 points and overall the defense is averaging 20PPG given up which is 10th in the league. I couldn't care less if they're giving up 500 yards a game as long as the PPG remain the same. We know our offense can outscore pretty much anyone. Sure the defense can be better but you can't only give up 13 points and be called a goat in the game.
 

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Russ made a comment in the game Thread so I went back and looked at it in slow motion frame by frame. I say no way in hell he makes it in... The corner was his best option... Will be interesting to see what you think when you watch the game film? By the way nice write up this week

He LOST 2 yards by running wide like that. I don't know if the play was designed to go wide or not but it was apparent they had it strung out he needed to just cut and go forward and use his size to get 1 yard. But instead he ran laterally and lost 2 yards.

If he'd just tried to bull forward and got stuffed I wouldn't complain but he did what Ellington always does and tried to wide and lost yards.

CJ is clearly slowing down(now hurt) but in this game several times with no hole in short yardage he stuck his head down and tried to get something out of nothing, that's all I'm asking DJ to do but on that one play he didn't. He had a few other runs where he ran very hard, just not that one.
 

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You missed the obvious...

#1 hero was the person who picked the outfit for the 49er cheerleaders!
 

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The 'niners picked uniforms to match the cheerleader outfits.
 

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Defense gives up 13 points on the road and Betcher is still a GOAT lol

Ok
 
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This is an observation from FO's chat column that summarized what bothers me about this offense:

Deeper analysis may show otherwise, but I thought this game was a good example of the strengths and (better here in particular) weaknesses of the Arizona offense. Carson Palmer can do a lot to negate pressure, but sometimes he can only do so much, and deep pass plays are inherently more variable than shorter ones. Arizona's been so good on them this year that we haven't noticed, but this felt much more a 2014 Arizona with Palmer-type performance.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/audibles/2015/audibles-line-week-12

The challenge with this offense when Chris Johnson or any running back can't keep on schedule is that when these deep passes clang to the ground, there aren't a lot of alternatives on 3rd down than ANOTHER high-variance deep pass. FOX was doing a terrible job, so it was hard to see whether the WRs really weren't open on those plays where it felt like Palmer had enough time to get rid of the ball.
 

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I am really surprised Palmer isn't a goat. The 49ers would blitz and he would be looking deep instead of checking for hot routes.

At times he was staring guys down and throwing into double coverage. He easily could have had 3 picks yesterday.

I get that he and BA love the deep passes but sometimes the underneath stuff is fine.
 

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This is an observation from FO's chat column that summarized what bothers me about this offense:



http://www.footballoutsiders.com/audibles/2015/audibles-line-week-12

The challenge with this offense when Chris Johnson or any running back can't keep on schedule is that when these deep passes clang to the ground, there aren't a lot of alternatives on 3rd down than ANOTHER high-variance deep pass. FOX was doing a terrible job, so it was hard to see whether the WRs really weren't open on those plays where it felt like Palmer had enough time to get rid of the ball.

I noticed a few times on 3rd down where Carson had a short route open, but he went long...that is just who he is apparently.
 

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I am really surprised Palmer isn't a goat. The 49ers would blitz and he would be looking deep instead of checking for hot routes.

At times he was staring guys down and throwing into double coverage. He easily could have had 3 picks yesterday.

I get that he and BA love the deep passes but sometimes the underneath stuff is fine.

It is the interesting thing with him and this team. When we're good that's often a reason why, when we're bad that's often a reason why.

You could have made an argument for Floyd as a goat yesterday too, while Fitz dropping a TD pass wasn't good he had a great game. Floyd had 1 catch yesterday and killed yet another drive with a drop where the ball literally went through his hands, he just didn't have them close enough together. It continues to mystify me how he can make the great leaping catches and have so much trouble when the ball is right in his hands like that.

Would be nice to get him, Brown and Fitz all rolling at the same time.
 

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It is the interesting thing with him and this team. When we're good that's often a reason why, when we're bad that's often a reason why.

You could have made an argument for Floyd as a goat yesterday too, while Fitz dropping a TD pass wasn't good he had a great game. Floyd had 1 catch yesterday and killed yet another drive with a drop where the ball literally went through his hands, he just didn't have them close enough together. It continues to mystify me how he can make the great leaping catches and have so much trouble when the ball is right in his hands like that.

Would be nice to get him, Brown and Fitz all rolling at the same time.
Not sure what exactly happened on that drop. It almost looked like he turned around and didn't see the ball until the last moment and just couldn't react quick enough to do what needed to be done to make the catch. Looked like it hit is finger tips.
 
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I am really surprised Palmer isn't a goat. The 49ers would blitz and he would be looking deep instead of checking for hot routes.

At times he was staring guys down and throwing into double coverage. He easily could have had 3 picks yesterday.

I get that he and BA love the deep passes but sometimes the underneath stuff is fine.

He was close. Some people say "Put Carson as a Hero and a Goat!" in certain weeks. Palmer was clearly a hero at the end of the game, but he also wasn't on top of his game and was looking squirrely.

Carson threw into double and triple coverage sometimes, which he got away with. I'm sure there are some hot routes and stuff built in to those plays, but it's also clear to me that Carson doesn't trust his RBs to catch the ball.
 

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It is the interesting thing with him and this team. When we're good that's often a reason why, when we're bad that's often a reason why.

You could have made an argument for Floyd as a goat yesterday too, while Fitz dropping a TD pass wasn't good he had a great game. Floyd had 1 catch yesterday and killed yet another drive with a drop where the ball literally went through his hands, he just didn't have them close enough together. It continues to mystify me how he can make the great leaping catches and have so much trouble when the ball is right in his hands like that.

Would be nice to get him, Brown and Fitz all rolling at the same time.

he also completely botched the long ball that we lucked out on getting the personal foul hit on Palmer towards the end of the game.
 

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He was close. Some people say "Put Carson as a Hero and a Goat!" in certain weeks. Palmer was clearly a hero at the end of the game, but he also wasn't on top of his game and was looking squirrely.

Carson threw into double and triple coverage sometimes, which he got away with. I'm sure there are some hot routes and stuff built in to those plays, but it's also clear to me that Carson doesn't trust his RBs to catch the ball.

yeah, I think we got away with a bad Palmer game. He didn't look comfortable the whole game and seemed to have happy feet from the start.
 

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he also completely botched the long ball that we lucked out on getting the personal foul hit on Palmer towards the end of the game.

That would have been a tough catch but yes one he has made before.

Hopefully he rebounds, we need our top 3 WR's on point now with the RB injuries.
 

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That was an interesting strategy the 9ers took when Shipley was in to lead block at the goal line, sending a guy to take him out at the legs before he had a chance to get to the line. Kinda disrupts the whole play from materializing.
 

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I wonder what this forum would be like if we were 2-9?

I can appreciate the concerns we all have and we are in an enviable position to nitpick our shortcomings. But geez Louise let's take a deep breath and enjoy the fact of where we are at.

This board was filled with concerns about this game. Coming off two HUGE prime time wins I expected a bit of a letdown and I would have taken the poinys if I was a betting man. It was also a team we embarrassed a few weeks back. Let's give them a little credit for their scrappy effort.

Like it or not we are not going to blow out our opponents and score 30 plus points every week. Two or three years ago this team would have blown this game one way or another.

9-2...I'm diggin it!
 
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