Welcome Josh Dobbs. Arizona trades a 5th round pick for Joshua Dobbs and a 7th round pick

[BullheadCardFan]

If this is a year for evals of young players, K is definitely one position they should be looking at instead of trotting out Prater’s warmed up corpse every week. Or every week that he’s healthy.

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There was no reason to pay $4 mil to a K when we are going to be so bad

 

[MadCardDisease]

So Dobbs gets cut by Cleveland last year.

Cleveland signs him back this year and tells him cutting him was a mistake

Cleveland anoints him as the #2 QB on the team

Then a day later they trade him to the Cardinals for a swap of a 7th and a 5th in 2024.


Makes you wonder what Dobbs is feeling about all of this. Talk about a rollercoaster of ups and downs.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

So Dobbs gets cut by Cleveland last year.

Cleveland signs him back this year and tells him cutting him was a mistake

Cleveland anoints him as the #2 QB on the team

Then a day later they trade him to the Cardinals for a swap of a 7th and a 5th in 2024.


Makes you wonder what Dobbs is feeling about all of this. Talk about a rollercoaster of ups and downs.

It's even crazier...his trade to AZ happened just about 2 hours after the coach made the announcement at his daily presser...lol

 

[Outerlimits]

So Dobbs gets cut by Cleveland last year.

Cleveland signs him back this year and tells him cutting him was a mistake

Cleveland anoints him as the #2 QB on the team

Then a day later they trade him to the Cardinals for a swap of a 7th and a 5th in 2024.


Makes you wonder what Dobbs is feeling about all of this. Talk about a rollercoaster of ups and downs.

That video he released showed he seemed pretty nonchalant about it. He is probably happy though since he has a much higher chance of actually playing for a significant amount of time here.

 

[CardNots]

The consensus is that we're taking an entire year off to evaluate and grow. Where does Prater fit in that equation? Shouldn't we be finding a solution for the future?

Hopefully it doesn't take multiple seasons of crappiness to make that happen!

Prater keeps zeroes off the scoreboard especially with his distance.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Dobbs highlights from 2022. I think he exactly 1 week to prep for Dallas....and I think Henry was out that game .

I guess you'll have to click each one to watch.

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Until Murray returns, what makes you think that Dobbs is a backup? He already knows the Petzing offense, so there’s no guarantee that he isn’t the starter against Washington in the opener.

Everyone keeps saying this. Does everyone believe when you hire a position coach they just take the playbook from the offensive coordinator under which they coached?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Well half a million less, because his signing bonus was paid by Cleveland.

Ok

 

[Phrazbit]

I might not agree with some of the choices the new regime has made, but at least I could see what they're doing, I knew the plan... like... the plan is to suck, to be absolutely awful and get high picks, that is why we let productive players go for no return and without making competitive offers... right?

If that is the plan then how does giving up a pick (no matter how late) for a 28 year old QB who has been nothing but garbage make sense?

We "wanted" him in offseason but couldn't make the money work... HOW?!?! How could we not make the money work? He makes nothing! We have a TON of cap space!

So we chose to let him sign a contract we didn't like, then spent a pick to get him on that deal?

I cannot make any sense of this whatsoever.

McCoy is probably done... Dobbs probably never began, go with the guy you already paid for, or even Blough, or McSorley or Tom Tupa.

In and of itself, it is not a big deal, but I am considerably more troubled when I try to make sense of what this team is doing.

There is zero upside to this move... zero.

 

[TheCardFan]

Last thing I am going to say about this for a bit.

Kellen Mond (got cut by Browns) would have been a better choice than Josh Dobbs.

And...with no compensation.

 

[AZfaninMN]

Last thing I am going to say about this for a bit.

Kellen Mond (got cut by Browns) would have been a better choice than Josh Dobbs.

And...with no compensation.

Dobbs beat out Mond for a roster spot in Cleveland. Mond is not good.

 

[CardNots]

Last thing I am going to say about this for a bit.

Kellen Mond (got cut by Browns) would have been a better choice than Josh Dobbs.

And...with no compensation.

What is a bit to you? Just trying to frame it.

 

[kerouac9]

Dobbs beat out Mond for a roster spot in Cleveland. Mond is not good.

Neither are good

 

[Krangodnzr]

I might not agree with some of the choices the new regime has made, but at least I could see what they're doing, I knew the plan... like... the plan is to suck, to be absolutely awful and get high picks, that is why we let productive players go for no return and without making competitive offers... right?

If that is the plan then how does giving up a pick (no matter how late) for a 28 year old QB who has been nothing but garbage make sense?

We "wanted" him in offseason but couldn't make the money work... HOW?!?! How could we not make the money work? He makes nothing! We have a TON of cap space!

So we chose to let him sign a contract we didn't like, then spent a pick to get him on that deal?

I cannot make any sense of this whatsoever.

McCoy is probably done... Dobbs probably never began, go with the guy you already paid for, or even Blough, or McSorley or Tom Tupa.

In and of itself, it is not a big deal, but I am considerably more troubled when I try to make sense of what this team is doing.

There is zero upside to this move... zero.

You still have to evaluate whether to keep Hollywood, Dortch, and see whether Michael Wilson is the real deal.

The only way that happens is with some semblance of QB play. As high as some are on Tune, he is most likely to suck real bad initially.

 

[Chopper0080]

You still have to evaluate whether to keep Hollywood, Dortch, and see whether Michael Wilson is the real deal.

The only way that happens is with some semblance of QB play. As high as some are on Tune, he is most likely to suck real bad initially.

I believe Brown's future with AZ is more tied to Michael Wilson and the Cardinals ability to draft MHJ next year than what he actually does this year.

 

[BritCard]

Except… he’s not a good kicker anymore. He’s average and injury prone.

Prater was 10th in the league in FG % including making 5 of 6 over 50 yards. He missed 3 FG's in 13 games. And he was 9th in average Kick off distance.

That's not average.

 

[TheCardFan]

I believe Brown's future with AZ is more tied to Michael Wilson and the Cardinals ability to draft MHJ next year than what he actually does this year.

Disagree.

We will draft Marvin Harrison Jr.

Either way - I don't see us paying a guy like Brown based on where we are now.

 

[BritCard]

Right… except we’re not even getting what we pay for because Prater is ancient, can’t be depended on health wise and is an average kicker.

Oh and those 4 games his missed with a pulled hamstring? Those were the 1st games he's missed since 2014.

 

[BritCard]

Fact: Cards don't agree with you. He's on a two-year deal.

Looking forward to you revisiting this issue during the season, whenever he misses one.

'Crickets', I'll bet when he succeeds.

Ain't that always the way? Moan your ass off and complain all off season. Be very quiet when proven wrong.

 

[BritCard]

Disagree.

We will draft Marvin Harrison Jr.

Either way - I don't see us paying a guy like Brown based on where we are now.

I think Chopper is right on this one.

If Wilson does well (and I get the feeling that the Org think he might) and they plan to draft Harrison or another top WR there's no reason to pay Brown.

If he does really well you tag and trade, if he is just ok you let walk and pick up a comp.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I believe Brown's future with AZ is more tied to Michael Wilson and the Cardinals ability to draft MHJ next year than what he actually does this year.

I agree, but my point is that you can't have F QB play. Dobbs can probably post an 80ish QB Rating if given the time and support. You need some modicum of QB to evaluate other players, and once You're convinced McCoy can't do that you have to make a move.

 

[Stout]

Ain't that always the way? Moan your ass off and complain all off season. Be very quiet when proven wrong.

Such a short memory. Remember all those darksiders gladly eating crow in our undefeated start? We were gladly doing so, often. Where are you and the kool aiders when proven wrong? That's when the crickets come out. And darksiders can't point it out, because then we get hammered. Yinz kool aiders just want all happiness, all the time, no arguing with the regime, keep everything in line, and...it's laughable, really.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I think Chopper is right on this one.

If Wilson does well (and I get the feeling that the Org think he might) and they plan to draft Harrison or another top WR there's no reason to pay Brown.

If he does really well you tag and trade, if he is just ok you let walk and pick up a comp.

Yeah it's sunk cost at this point in time. If Brown and Wilson somehow show big time potential it's gravy and you can re-sign Brown and have two cost controlled receivers. Move Brown to the slot and exploit down the field match ups from there or have Wilson play big slot.

 

[Chopper0080]

Disagree.

We will draft Marvin Harrison Jr.

Either way - I don't see us paying a guy like Brown based on where we are now.

Maybe. If neither Moore nor Wilson can stay healthy this year, that changes the math on Brown. If the Cardinals have to choose between a QB and MHJ, I am not certain they will take MHJ. It is possible they are in the position to select both, but that is a small % chance.

 

[Chopper0080]

I agree, but my point is that you can't have F QB play. Dobbs can probably post an 80ish QB Rating if given the time and support. You need some modicum of QB to evaluate other players, and once You're convinced McCoy can't do that you have to make a move.

Where we differ is that I don't see much of a difference, if any at all, between Dobbs and McCoy other than mobility and maybe durability (more age related than anything else).