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[Yuma]

Whatever cap space we are making, I feel like it's going for a vet PG.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yeah I guess offering Brogdon is probably the best we could hope for at this point.

I didn't want Brogdon when he came out because I didn't think he was fast enough to be effective in the NBA. And now this offseason has been disappointing enough that I'm actually happy we drafted a similar but perhaps even slower PG and I'm looking forward to the possibility that he backs up Brogdon for us.

 

[Proximo]

Whatever cap space we are making, I feel like it's going for a vet PG.

Like who? Who is realistically available that will be better than Tyler Johnson?

Clips are trying to sign Beverly, as is Chicago. Collison wants a contender. Indiana wants Rubio.

Corey Joseph and rozier are not better than Tyler Johnson.

How are we going to give ty Jerome and Johnson time, and Melton/okobo, and the free agent guard?

 

[elindholm]

But... my hope is that they have the balls to go hard for Brogdon and they stretch Johnson

There's a theme here, but I can't quite get a grip on it.

 

[Phrazbit]

There's a theme here, but I can't quite get a grip on it.

Hopes and dreams sure slip through fingers easily.

But ya sure can grip a pile of poo.

 

[Proximo]

I didn't want Brogdon when he came out because I didn't think he was fast enough to be effective in the NBA. And now this offseason has been disappointing enough that I'm actually happy we drafted a similar but perhaps even slower PG and I'm looking forward to the possibility that he backs up Brogdon for us.

I am almost positive Milwaukee is going to match him on anything up to 20 million.

 

[SunnyBaller]

I was fine with the tj Warren trade because they needed cap space but the other moves started to make me wonder if Jones has ANY CLUE what he's doing, atleast Jerome wasn't a horrible pick but thats the only "good" thing I can say about what I just witnessed in the draft today

 

[Phrazbit]

I am almost positive Milwaukee is going to match him on anything up to 20 million.

I'd chuck 20 mil a year at him. He's a phenomenal shooter, he takes care of the ball and he is a really good defender. I'd rather him than Russell.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I am almost positive Milwaukee is going to match him on anything up to 20 million.

Oh, I know, I didn't really think it was likely at all. Right now, I have zero expectations for the rest of this offseason. Maybe something will happen but I have no confidence that we will do anything to improve the roster.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'd chuck 20 mil a year at him. He's a phenomenal shooter, he takes care of the ball and he is a really good defender. I'd rather him than Russell.

I think he's tradable enough that they will match whatever they have to and move him if necessary.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Nah, I think they give Rubio or Beverly a 1 year Ariza style overpay.

But... my hope is that they have the balls to go hard for Brogdon and they stretch Johnson if Brogdon bites.

That’s three strikes. You’re out.

 

[Phrazbit]

I think he's tradable enough that they will match whatever they have to and move him if necessary.

If they match an offer sheet it will be a while before they can move him. I cannot remember if it is Dec 15th like most signings or if it is a full season (because of matching an offer sheet), but I know for sure they can't do a sign and trade once a player signs an offer sheet. It's either he is theirs to keep for a while or they lose him for nothing.

 

[AzStevenCal]

If they match an offer sheet it will be a while before they can move him. I cannot remember if it is Dec 15th like most signings or if it is a full season (because of matching an offer sheet), but I know for sure they can't do a sign and trade once a player signs an offer sheet. It's either he is theirs or they lose him.

Correct but what's the problem with that? It will be much like what the Clippers did with Blake and it's much better than letting a player of value walk for free.

 

[SunsTzu]

I'd chuck 20 mil a year at him. He's a phenomenal shooter, he takes care of the ball and he is a really good defender. I'd rather him than Russell.

Brogdon is pretty much the ideal pairing. I had a glimmer of hope with today's earlier moves that there was something in the works for him. Seems unlikely now since they've only netted about 1.5mil in capsapce after all the moves are accounted for.

 

[SunsTzu]

If they match an offer sheet it will be a while before they can move him. I cannot remember if it is Dec 15th like most signings or if it is a full season (because of matching an offer sheet), but I know for sure they can't do a sign and trade once a player signs an offer sheet. It's either he is theirs or they lose him.

Since he is a RFA he will also have veto power for any trade in the first year and cannot be traded to the team that signed him to the offer sheet until after 1 year has passed.

 

[Phrazbit]

Correct but what's the problem with that? It will be much like what the Clippers did with Blake and it's much better than letting a player of value walk for free.

Nothing wrong, but if they keep their big free agents they are looking at a massive luxury tax hit. For a small market team it is a big risk.

 

[Phrazbit]

Since he is a RFA he will also have veto power for any trade in the first year and cannot be traded to the team that signed him to the offer sheet until after 1 year has passed.

Yeah, they'd have to move or stretch Johnson to make it work.

Sadly, I think they're going to try and roll their cap to next year and give a couple vets a 1 year overpay.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Nothing wrong, but if they keep their big free agents they are looking at a massive luxury tax hit. For a small market team it is a big risk.

I'm not quite following you. Are we still talking about trading him once he's eligible in mid December or are you assuming they'll keep him? I think if he's traded during the season it no longer counts for the luxury tax hit although I might be wrong there.

 

[Phrazbit]

I'm not quite following you. Are we still talking about trading him once he's eligible in mid December or are you assuming they'll keep him? I think if he's traded during the season it no longer counts for the luxury tax hit although I might be wrong there.

I really doubt they're going to find a team in mid december with the ability to absorb his contract without sending a bunch of dead money back. He'd also have to approve the trade (as SunsTzu mentioned).

 

[AzStevenCal]

Since he is a RFA he will also have veto power for any trade in the first year and cannot be traded to the team that signed him to the offer sheet until after 1 year has passed.

Just to clarify, are you saying that every RFA that re-signs with their team has to approve a trade in the first season of the new deal or are you just talking about those that initially signed an offer sheet that was then matched? I was aware of the 1 year rule for players that were matched but the idea that a re-signed RFA had veto power the first year is a surprise to me.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I really doubt they're going to find a team in mid december with the ability to absorb his contract without sending a bunch of dead money back. He'd also have to approve the trade (as SunsTzu mentioned).

You have a good point about maybe having to take back salary but I still think it's usually better than just letting someone of value walk. I know that Brogdon would have to agree to be traded but I'm curious if anyone here knows, does he have to agree to be traded to a specific team or is it just blanket approval?

 

[Phrazbit]

You have a good point about maybe having to take back salary but I still think it's usually better than just letting someone of value walk. I know that Brogdon would have to agree to be traded but I'm curious if anyone here knows, does he have to agree to be traded to a specific team or is it just blanket approval?

I think it is for the first season of the contract.

Regardless, if the Bucks match a deal I think they're matching to keep him and they'd probably be letting everyone but him and Middleton walk, unless Lopez signs for beans again.

I don't think they could justify trading him during the season if they're playing well and unless Giannis is hurt, it is safe to assume they'll be 1st or 2nd in the East.

 

[SunsTzu]

Just to clarify, are you saying that every RFA that re-signs with their team has to approve a trade in the first season of the new deal or are you just talking about those that initially signed an offer sheet that was then matched? I was aware of the 1 year rule for players that were matched but the idea that a re-signed RFA had veto power the first year is a surprise to me.

It's only if he signs the offer sheet. I may not have been following the conversation all that well. However if the Bucks do run it back and give out big money to Brogdon and Middleton I have a hard time believing that out of Bledsoe/Middleton/Brogdon that Brogdon would be the one they look to unload. I think the only way to get him is by offering max or close to it and seeing if the Bucks blink.

 

[AzStevenCal]

It's only if he signs the offer sheet. I may not have been following the conversation all that well. However if the Bucks do run it back and give out big money to Brogdon and Middleton I have a hard time believing that out of Bledsoe/Middleton/Brogdon that Brogdon would be the one they look to unload. I think the only way to get him is by offering max or close to it and seeing if the Bucks blink.

Thanks, I thought you were saying it in context of the conversation but I wasn't sure. And I agree they won't likely part with him should they re-sign him but I suspect they'll match him all the way up to the max. Most teams will expect that and not want their money tied up that long so they might be safe with him.

 

[Phrazbit]

Thanks, I thought you were saying it in context of the conversation but I wasn't sure. And I agree they won't likely part with him should they re-sign him but I suspect they'll match him all the way up to the max. Most teams will expect that and not want their money tied up that long so they might be safe with him.

They've changed the rules, it's only 2 days now that a team has to decide to match or not, unlike the 7 or 10 days it used to be. For the Suns I think the risk would be worth it.