We're not the only ones discussing Marion trades

[Gaddabout]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...ory?coll=chi-sportsnew-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true

Plan B

There's also Shawn Marion. The talk around the NBA is the Suns will be willing to listen very carefully for offers for Marion this summer with Amare Stoudemire and Kurt Thomas due back, Boris Diaw fitting into Marion's role and the possibility of re-signing Tim Thomas. They probably can't re-sign Tim Thomas, which owner Robert Sarver says is essential, without some changes to avoid paying a luxury tax. Marion will average about $16 million for the next three seasons and isn't the perfect player, especially in a half-court game. But the Bulls' movement offense should give him a chance to flourish and he's a hard worker and relentless defender. The Bulls are said to like LSU's Thomas, who is most likened to Marion. So if the real thing is available, why not take a shot? Marion probably would cost the better of the first-rounders and a player, probably Chandler, who might fit in the Suns' open-style game as Tim Thomas has. But the Bulls still could have money in free agency to get a center like Nazr Mohammed or Joel Przybilla. It's probably worth a look. Why wait when the Bulls can make a serious move into contention next season and not dramatically change their core?

The No. 2 pick and Chandler for Marion? Chicago sportswriters have always been the most myopic bunch. It doesn't work on any level, not cap rules (besides the fact Chandler is a BYC player), nor basketball sense.

Something tells me Cheesie would pull the trigger if it were possible, though.

 

[elindholm]

It does work under cap rules, because the Bulls are way under and thus can absorb Marion's salary.

The Suns don't want Chandler. But a three-way with the Wolves is possible, in which the Wolves get cap relief as well as young players and picks from both Chicago and Phoenix.

 

[asudevil83]

i could see the suns grabbing chandler in the deal, along with maybe Duhon. not the lotto pick though.

getting chandler though would still mean probably shipping out Barbosa or KT in another deal in order to keep us out of deep luxury tax territory.

 

[Gaddabout]

It does work under cap rules, because the Bulls are way under and thus can absorb Marion's salary.

The Suns don't want Chandler. But a three-way with the Wolves is possible, in which the Wolves get cap relief as well as young players and picks from both Chicago and Phoenix.

It all goes back to Garnett? You're clever.

 

[jibikao]

Isn't Chandler kinda tall and athletic? Maybe we can train him?

Either way, this trade seems possible.

 

[sunsfn]

The suns do not want chandler for lots of reasons. But one is his salary that is at 9,000,000 this year and goes up for 5 more years. (I could not find his salary for the future) That would defeat the purpose of getting rid of Marions salary, and Marion is a much better player.

 

[TucsonDevil]

I didn't watch too much Bull Basketball this year... or any year. Question - do the Bulls have a lock down defender that can run? To me, that has to come our way in exchange for Marion and Chandler & Pick.

In the end, I hope we don't lose sight of Marion's defense... even if the league has.

 

[jibikao]

I didn't watch too much Bull Basketball this year... or any year. Question - do the Bulls have a lock down defender that can run? To me, that has to come our way in exchange for Marion and Chandler & Pick.

In the end, I hope we don't lose sight of Marion's defense... even in the league has.

I watched some Bull games. They are the TINEST team in NBA. They are really short and nobody is as athletic as Marion. I think Marion can help that team a lot but can they swallow the salary?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I didn't watch too much Bull Basketball this year... or any year. Question - do the Bulls have a lock down defender that can run? To me, that has to come our way in exchange for Marion and Chandler & Pick.

In the end, I hope we don't lose sight of Marion's defense... even in the league has.

Well, the only two that I can think of is Ben Wallace and Andrei Kirilenko.

There aren't too many lock down defenders in the entire league, let alone those who can run.

 

[Louis]

The suns do not want chandler for lots of reasons. But one is his salary that is at 9,000,000 this year and goes up for 5 more years. (I could not find his salary for the future) That would defeat the purpose of getting rid of Marions salary, and Marion is a much better player.

Marion's starts at $15 million next year and ends in 2008/9 at $17 million.

When compared, Chandler's is much lower than Marion's. If Chandler's is anything like Nash's, it should top out at about $13 million.

Marion looks to be the odd man out though. Amare's contract kicks in next season, Barbosa/Diaw's contract will start in 2 years, Nash's contract grows a bit, and Bell and Jones' contract stay steady throughout the duration of their respective contracts.

Getting Chandler would be a coup, maybe they get him and another 1st round pick and can trade up in the summer's draft?

 

[Cheesebeef]

if Sarver's serious about keeping Tim Thomas (thought I read that somewhere else on the board) and we're gonna be keeping our young guys getting them signed to contract extensions, hell yeah I'd consider trading the Tortilla for Chandler and the NUMBER ONE OVERALL PICK - in a heartbeat.

Boris easily move sinto Marion's slot (and you KNOW the Suns are gonna have him do nothing but develop his outside game - Boris will have a 3-pointer at least as good as Marion next year) and then you add in Tyrus Thomas, a monster with athleticism and a shot blocker AND one fot he best shot-blockers in the league with Chandler, you not only have upgraded your defense - WHICH AS USUAL IS STILL AHUGE PROBLEM, but you've gotten much younger on the fly as well as STILL having the Hawks pick next year.

It's a no-brainer from the Suns perspective as it allows them to still compete AND transition into the next era, as far as the Bulls - they'd have to be smoking crack to do that deal. Hell, I wouldn't even trade the number 1 pick straight up for Marion - I mean what does that deal even do for the Bulls, it just gives them ANOTHER tweener.

 

[Cheesebeef]

seriously, if that deal were to go down and it allowed us to sign TT, Boris and Leo to extensions, we'd look like this:

Nash
Bell
Diaw
Amare
Kurt Thomas

Bench:

Barbosa
Tim Thomas
Chandler
JJ
#1 overall draft pick

(with the Hawks lotto pick coming the next year)

That team has size, speed, shooting AND, heaven forbid - SHOTBLOCKING.

But again - the Bulls would be smoking crack to do that deal.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

I used to love Chandler, but I think I am finally over that phase. His injury bug is just too bad it seems.

Since the Bulls are so far under the cap, they could absorb most of Marion's salary. Getting the #1, Duhon and Deng for example would probably be possible. The Bulls love Nocioni, and with Marion coming on board that is a lot of SFs to have around.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I don't know what it is, but I just really feel like Shawn Marion is our Adrian Dantley - the guy everyone loves and is an integral part of the team, but ultimately the guy who has to be moved, just like the Pistons did in order to get Mark Aguirre to put them over the hump.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Honestly, there's no way anyone trades the number 1 pick, duhon AND Deng for Marion - that's a KG deal right there, not a Marion deal.

That being said, I'd actually just take Duhon and the #1 pick for Shawn - gets us a backup PG and it allows us to get Boris, Leo and TT back on the team. Besides, if Marion's gonna go Tortilla on us every post-season, what the hell is the guy really worth, anyway?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

If having Marion around is going to prevent the team from re-signing Diaw, then you have to send Marion packing. This team desperately needs Diaw in the future as he's literally the only one on the roster other than Nash who creates offense for his teammates. And the health of Nash going forward isn't exactly guaranteed.

 

[TradeNash]

No way mon, Chandler sucks and he's overpaid. But elindholm's idea, I like.

 

[Ryanwb]

Isaiah will take'em!

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I'm telling you guys.....KG for Marion, Barbosa, and one of the ATL picks has a good chance of happening as I think Marions value is high with everyone but Robert Sarver (because he signs the checks) and Mike D'Antoni (because he can't shoot at a position the coach thinks is a MUST shooting position)

It just makes too much sense on every level. Twolves get back a young PG, a star they can defend to the public, and a draft pick. It also allows cap space in a year or two down the road.

But i really like Elindholms idea. A three way trade makes even MORE sense. Marion and draft picks goes to the Bulls, Bulls send Gordan, Chandler, Barbosa and a lower draft pick to the Twolves and we get the Big ticket. Seriously, he was made for this team with his combination of size, passing ability and shooting touch. Plus he could fit into a role where he allows Amare and Nash to be the main guys but he would still provide a huge role with his length both rebounding and defending. If this does come to fruition, i say Nash makes the guy MVP next here hands down (Unless Amare comes back to close to full strength and gets it first! OH YEAH )

My main concern with this idea was that Marions value was not high enough last year and Amares alpha dog status. Neither of those are questions anymore as Amare's knee doenst allow for such confidence and Marion was actually a top 7 MVP candidate this year.

It's going to be either the Suns or the Lakers IMO as David Stern must be wetting his pants thinking about getting KG and Kobe on the same team. I just dont think the lakers have the fire power. KG's only going to a team on the cusp of winning with young tradeable assets and draft picks....

says here its Phoenix that fits that bill......

 

[Cheesebeef]

you know what's really sad about Marion - so far in the playoffs, EVERY member of the Suns core has STEPPED UP their game from the regular season. Nash (even with two AWFUL games back o back) is still scoring more points and getting his assists, Bell is scoring 1.5 points over his average and playing great defense, Diaw is scoring 4 points more than his season average while maintaining his averages in assists and boards, Leo is playing exactly the same as his averages and TT is playing above and beyond his regualr season with boards and 4 more points a game.

Then, there's Marion - down 4 points a game and 2 rebounds. Pathetic - abolsutely pathetic. We have match-up nightmares EVERYWHERE, but you don't see a drop-off in ANYONE ELSE'S performance, in fact, you see EVERYONE (sans scrubs like Eddie HOuse and JJ) actually playing BETTER in the playoffs than the regular season. IF that isn't an indictment of Marion's worth, I don't know what is. Good players step up their game or at least play the same way they did int he regular season - we're getting that from everyone - except our self-proclaimed "MVP, Tim Duncan, KG" - whois the ONLY one who isn't. Sad.

 

[elindholm]

says here its Phoenix that fits that bill......

I'm reminded of the summer of 1992. The Suns had a good team that kept getting fairly deep into the playoffs, but needed one more big-time stud. Over in Philadelphia, Barkley was only a couple of years removed from an MVP-caliber season (the year he lost to Magic Johnson, in spite of getting more first-place votes), but the Sixers were going nowhere and Barkley wanted out.

Once it became clear that the Suns had interest, everyone assumed that the critical piece would be their best player at the time, Kevin Johnson. But somehow, Phoenix was able to swing it so that they kept Johnson, instead sending along one very good player (Hornacek) and a couple of young-ish maybes.

Could it happen again?

 

[nowagimp]

I'm telling you guys.....KG for Marion, Barbosa, and one of the ATL picks has a good chance of happening as I think Marions value is high with everyone but Robert Sarver (because he signs the checks) and Mike D'Antoni (because he can't shoot at a position the coach thinks is a MUST shooting position)

It just makes too much sense on every level. Twolves get back a young PG, a star they can defend to the public, and a draft pick. It also allows cap space in a year or two down the road.

But i really like Elindholms idea. A three way trade makes even MORE sense. Marion and draft picks goes to the Bulls, Bulls send Gordan, Chandler, Barbosa and a lower draft pick to the Twolves and we get the Big ticket. Seriously, he was made for this team with his combination of size, passing ability and shooting touch. Plus he could fit into a role where he allows Amare and Nash to be the main guys but he would still provide a huge role with his length both rebounding and defending. If this does come to fruition, i say Nash makes the guy MVP next here hands down (Unless Amare comes back to close to full strength and gets it first! OH YEAH )

My main concern with this idea was that Marions value was not high enough last year and Amares alpha dog status. Neither of those are questions anymore as Amare's knee doenst allow for such confidence and Marion was actually a top 7 MVP candidate this year.

It's going to be either the Suns or the Lakers IMO as David Stern must be wetting his pants thinking about getting KG and Kobe on the same team. I just dont think the lakers have the fire power. KG's only going to a team on the cusp of winning with young tradeable assets and draft picks....

says here its Phoenix that fits that bill......

With the beating that McHale has taken up there I cant believe that he is in a position to trade Garnett. Garnett also makes 5 mil(?) more than Marion so the suns will have to unload someone like KT. With the suns running game, and the addition of the 32 year old garnett, depth will be an issue. I sure do like the idea of Garnett creating for other shooters though.

 

[Nasser22]

You guys know how much I love Marion, but I'd rather trade him and be able to keep our young talent Diaw and Barbosa. I would be alright with this trade.

 

[devilalum]

If you make that trade and Amare doesn't come back and play at a high level the Suns will struggle to win 50.

 

[devilalum]

22 and 12 accounts for a lot of wins.