What do you think happens with these guys?

[playstation]

big question marks now:

Tim Thomas
Kurt Thomas
James Jones
Shawn Marion

Diaw
Barbosa

what do you think happens? not 'what do you WANT to have happen', but what do you think happens, given what we've seen to date?

i say the following:

tim-stays
kurt-goes, probably along with another pick
james-stays
shawn-stays

diaw-stays, gets extended
barbosa-stays, but not extension agreement reached

wish everyone could stay, but given the circumstances this is what i see happening. i figure the rest of the roster spots will be to min/vet min guys

 

[Cheesebeef]

the only way Sarver gets out of this alive is if EVERYONE under contract is brought back, TT is resigned and Boris gets an extension.

Otherwise, the scorn that will be heaped upon him will be a thousand times worse than ANYTHING that has ever been thrown Bill Bidwill's way - and you know why - PHOENIX ACTUALLY GIVES A CRAP ABOUT THE SUNS.

 

[Covert Rain]

big question marks now:

Tim Thomas
Kurt Thomas
James Jones
Shawn Marion

Diaw
Barbosa

what do you think happens? not 'what do you WANT to have happen', but what do you think happens, given what we've seen to date?

i say the following:

tim-stays
kurt-goes, probably along with another pick
james-stays
shawn-stays

diaw-stays, gets extended
barbosa-stays, but not extension agreement reached

wish everyone could stay, but given the circumstances this is what i see happening. i figure the rest of the roster spots will be to min/vet min guys

Why would Kurt go? You drafted no size, won't probably find any in free agency. Even if you resign Tim Thomas, he doesn't rebound or play defense even close to Kurt Thomas.

So everyone stays, we resign Tim and probably pick up a back up point guard in free agency. I also, can see the Suns bringing in a player or 2 that didn't get drafted.

 

[arthurracoon]

the only way Sarver gets out of this alive is if EVERYONE under contract is brought back, TT is resigned and Boris gets an extension.

Otherwise, the scorn that will be heaped upon him will be a thousand times worse than ANYTHING that has ever been thrown Bill Bidwill's way - and you know why - PHOENIX ACTUALLY GIVES A CRAP ABOUT THE SUNS.

exactly

after this draft, fans will expect this

you save money, you better spend it to resign and keep everyone

 

[NastyOne]

I do know one thing, After JC leaves this team for good, the Suns as we know them are done.

Saver will probably start trading every single big contract off to make a bigger profit.

2010 We'll be the new LA Clippers of the 90's

Hopefully we can win a championship or two before it happens though.

 

[Covert Rain]

I do know one thing, After JC leaves this team for good, the Suns as we know them are done.

Saver will probably start trading every single big contract off to make a bigger profit.

2010 We'll be the new LA Clippers of the 90's

Hopefully we can win a championship or two before it happens though.

Yep this will be the Diamonbacks part deaux. This team only has a limited time to make a run. When this run is done, I bet Sarver goes into money saving mode and this team starts building through the draft.... FOR YEARS.

 

[F-Dog]

TT--re-signed
Diaw--re-signed

Marion--kept
Barbosa--kept, no extension

James Jones--probably kept, possibly traded for a guard
KT--50/50 whether he's kept or traded for another big man with an expiring contract


I'll say one thing--after the draft, I'm much more confident that TT is going to sign, and that the Suns won't dump JR.

 

[JS22]

You guys are ridiculous.

I'm sure that Sarver spent the MOST MONEY EVER for a franchise just to be cheap.

 

[Covert Rain]

You guys are ridiculous.

I'm sure that Sarver spent the MOST MONEY EVER for a franchise just to be cheap.

Sarver did not spend most of his money for the team. Sarver is part of an investment group that bought the Suns. He has the majority. They did an article on Sarvers finances.

The majority of his income will not come from the Suns. However, the Suns have the potential to bring down his earning consideribly if the franchise starts bleeding. Hence, he will run this franchise like he does his other businesses.

 

[Chaplin]

I do know one thing, After JC leaves this team for good, the Suns as we know them are done.

Saver will probably start trading every single big contract off to make a bigger profit.

2010 We'll be the new LA Clippers of the 90's

Hopefully we can win a championship or two before it happens though.

You've got to be kidding.

 

[NastyOne]

You guys are ridiculous.

I'm sure that Sarver spent the MOST MONEY EVER for a franchise just to be cheap.

He spent money to make money

Can't make that money back by spending it on the team.

Most owners don't make a profit unless they pocket the profits every year.And those teams usually suck.The only ones that make money and have a contender are the ones that play in huge markets.(Steinbrenner types)

The real good owners buy a team cause its like a toy to them, they know they'll lose more money than they'll make.But they have the funds to blow money like that(Cuban types)

Sarver already said this is a business first, so that should let you know what hes thinking about for the future and what class of owners hes going to fit in with.

 

[Chaplin]

Yeah Sarver is a cheap bastard and doesn't care one bit about a championship. I mean, it's not like the team has gotten to the Western Conference Finals every year since he took over the team, right?

Oh.
Wait.

 

[NastyOne]

You've got to be kidding.

It's very sad, but no im not

I see this team falling far from grace as Sarver completely takes over and JC fades away.

 

[NastyOne]

Yeah Sarver is a cheap bastard and doesn't care one bit about a championship. I mean, it's not like the team has gotten to the Western Conference Finals every year since he took over the team, right?

Oh.
Wait.

And we got there because of Sarver and not the Colangelos right?

Oh.
Wait.

 

[Evil Ash]

Yeah Sarver is a cheap bastard and doesn't care one bit about a championship. I mean, it's not like the team has gotten to the Western Conference Finals every year since he took over the team, right?

Oh.
Wait.

Come on Chap we're supposed to spend like the KNicks because it has worked out oh so well for them

 

[Evil Ash]

And we got there because of Sarver and not the Colangelos right?

Oh.
Wait.

How many championships did we win with the Colangelos in charge again?

 

[Joe Mama]

Why would Kurt go? You drafted no size, won't probably find any in free agency. Even if you resign Tim Thomas, he doesn't rebound or play defense even close to Kurt Thomas.

So everyone stays, we resign Tim and probably pick up a back up point guard in free agency. I also, can see the Suns bringing in a player or 2 that didn't get drafted.

bingo! I don't see them having more than maybe one on drafted player on the roster next year, but I agree with everything else. I think they will bring in a veteran or two for the minimum... maybe some backup guards.

Some of you guys who think Jerry Colangelo and Bryan Colangelo are the greatest thing since sliced bread while Sarver is a terrible miser I just don't understand. I liked Marcus Williams, but it's not like the Phoenix Suns were the only team that didn't want him. I think it will prove to be a mistake, but I can understand what they did in an attempt at a championship run.

Joe

 

[Chaplin]

And we got there because of Sarver and not the Colangelos right?

Oh.
Wait.

For people that consistently cry that Sarver is the one who ultimately makes any decisions regarding money issues (including signing players), how can you even bring this up?

You think Sarver had NO SAY in signing Steve Nash? Or Q? Or Raja Bell?

Which is it? You say he is so strict that he forced us to trade our picks, yet the moves that happened to get us into the WCF the last two years are all Colangelo? Um, hello? Does that make any sense to you? Seriously?

 

[NastyOne]

Come on Chap we're supposed to spend like the KNicks because it has worked out oh so well for them

There is a big difference between spending $132Million on a pathetic excuse for a team, and spending somewhere between $60-70Million on a legit contender.

We're talking about spending an extra 10-15mil after luxury taxes, not the ridiculous amount the Knicks and Mavs spend.

You have teams out there that blow that kind of money on one bad contract every year, but Sarver can't spend it to win a championship.

 

[NastyOne]

How many championships did we win with the Colangelos in charge again?

The question was how many times we made the WCF

Not how many championships we won.

 

[Covert Rain]

How many championships did we win with the Colangelos in charge again?

That wasn't for lack of trying. This team signed a number of free agents and made trades. The Suns have to be the unluckiest team in terms of injuries with each run. A certain amount of luck and timing is involved in getting a ring.

Having said that, I would rather of had the JC then about 99% of the owners out there because with him, you knew he wanted to win at any cost. It just so happens he got it done with the Diamondbacks and not the Suns. However, it wasn't from lack of trying.

The scary thing about Sarver is he has made it clear that he is a business man first. So if it comes down to his wallet or the Suns success, we all know his wallet will come first.

 

[Cheesebeef]

For people that consistently cry that Sarver is the one who ultimately makes any decisions regarding money issues (including signing players), how can you even bring this up?

You think Sarver had NO SAY in signing Steve Nash? Or Q? Or Raja Bell?

Which is it? You say he is so strict that he forced us to trade our picks, yet the moves that happened to get us into the WCF the last two years are all Colangelo? Um, hello? Does that make any sense to you? Seriously?

uh - I seem to remember NUMEROUS reports that Sarver wanted NO PART of Steve Nash and that Jerry and BC talked him into it. Am I wrong here?

 

[Chaplin]

uh - I seem to remember NUMEROUS reports that Sarver wanted NO PART of Steve Nash and that Jerry and BC talked him into it. Am I wrong here?

Which reports are those? Even if Sarver had reservations at first, he obviously didn't fight hard enough. The way you say it, if Sarver was anything like what you think he is, he would have still said no and that would be the end of it.

The Colangelos don't wear halos!! 35 years is a long time without a championship. A VERY long time.

 

[Evil Ash]

That wasn't for lack of trying. This team signed a number of free agents and made trades. The Suns have to be the unluckiest team in terms of injuries with each run. A certain amount of luck and timing is involved in getting a ring.

Having said that, I would rather of had the JC then about 99% of the owners out there because with him, you knew he wanted to win at any cost. It just so happens he got it done with the Diamondbacks and not the Suns. However, it wasn't from lack of trying.

The scary thing about Sarver is he has made it clear that he is a business man first. So if it comes down to his wallet or the Suns success, we all know his wallet will come first.

Some of it was bad luck and a lot of it was their lack of patience (they wouldn't leave the roster alone long enough to let players develop together)

I respect the Colangelos a great deal, I really do but its not like they didn't have their faults.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Which reports are those? Even if Sarver had reservations at first, he obviously didn't fight hard enough. The way you say it, if Sarver was anything like what you think he is, he would have still said no and that would be the end of it.

The Colangelos don't wear halos!! 35 years is a long time without a championship. A VERY long time.

anyone got the link to that quote - I remember there being a thread about it (and you probably do also Chap, but you wouldn't really admit that no would you). Besides, if Sarver had reservations at first and there was NO COLANGELO - doesn't it stand to reason that he WOULDN'T HAVE SIGNED NASH? Is that a stretch?

And I'm sorry - but when you've run the classiest organization in the NBA and have been named to multiple chairs to turn the league/olympic team around and have won of the highest winning percentages of any team in NBA histoyr, that's about as close to saint hood as your gonna get in the NBA.