What happened to Isaiah Simmons?

[juza76]

So Vallejo came in when Hicks was injured
So he is the fourth on the depth chart actually

 

[Dr. Jones]

If Campbell wasn't playing at a Pro-Bowl level, I may be a bit more worried. As of now, I'm comfortable letting the young pup learn behind our defensive team captain and our pro bowl level WILB.

 

[Garthshort]

IS plays Campbell's position, not Hicks'.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

So Vallejo came in when Hicks was injured
So he is the fourth on the depth chart actually

This is what concerns me.

 

[Evil Ash]

Its been 2 games in one of the weirdest seasons and off-season ever.

OH NOEZ!! HE must be a bust

 

[dscher]

He doesn’t have the twitch to play there in the NFL.

Ehh. Twitch is more corner imo... But it might be worth a gamble at some point for Banjo.

 

[DVontel]

Ehh. Twitch is more corner imo... But it might be worth a gamble at some point for Banjo.

If he’s playing deep then he absolutely has to have great twitch.

 

[dscher]

If he’s playing deep then he absolutely has to have great twitch.

It's something physical specimens like him can get around imo.. but yeah, it would be a project.. this is more about it being absolutely needed if free safety stays a concern.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Isn't it a good problem to have? I mean our D is playing well enough that a rookie can't crack the starting line up. It used to be such a problem that we were relying on third round rookies to start. Color me not worried, and I look at it as a positive for now. Now with all that said if he is not playing more by mid season or so then we'll talk.

 

[Chopper0080]

Isn't it a good problem to have? I mean our D is playing well enough that a rookie can't crack the starting line up. It used to be such a problem that we were relying on third round rookies to start. Color me not worried, and I look at it as a positive for now. Now with all that said if he is not playing more by mid season or so then we'll talk.

I don't think it is ever a good thing when your top 10 pick can't hardly touch the field. Don't care how it is spun.

 

[Chopper0080]

Well, whatever the plan was for Simmons, it obviously has not worked. He has had a net negative impact through two games. Again, this doesn't mean he can't eventually get it, but we all know the look of a project that has gone sideways.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I don't think it is ever a good thing when your top 10 pick can't hardly touch the field. Don't care how it is spun.

In a "normal year" I would agree with you, but this year things are a bit peculiar.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't think it is ever a good thing when your top 10 pick can't hardly touch the field. Don't care how it is spun.

Totally agree with this.

 

[Chopper0080]

In a "normal year" I would agree with you, but this year things are a bit peculiar.

There are plenty of examples of similar first round guys playing and contributing this year so I feel that argument is invalid. My issue is the Cardinals said they had a plan when they drafted him, it was obviously not been a very good one.

It also doesn't help that we have a terrible history when drafting project players high.

 

[DVontel]

There are plenty of examples of similar first round guys playing and contributing this year so I feel that argument is invalid. My issue is the Cardinals said they had a plan when they drafted him, it was obviously not been a very good one.

It also doesn't help that we have a terrible history when drafting project players high.

I agree with if you if they’re not OL/DL which requires less processing skills.

 

[AZman5103]

Campbell's play has got to be changing the plan for Simmons...and if it's not we are wasting an opportunity. Campbell is 27 years old, and should be able to be exactly what we need next to Hicks.

We have Budda locked up. Simmons would be an ideal safety...and should absolultley be able to beat out somone like Banjo. We like what we saw from Thompson at the end of last year, but its still an area that could use an upgrade.

Put Simmons at SS. Lets him use that size and speed to fly around and make plays.

 

[WisconsinCard]

There are plenty of examples of similar first round guys playing and contributing this year so I feel that argument is invalid. My issue is the Cardinals said they had a plan when they drafted him, it was obviously not been a very good one.

It also doesn't help that we have a terrible history when drafting project players high.

That was totally not my point, maybe I didn't explain it well enough. My point was I choose to look at it as a positive that we don't need to put a rookie in because the man in front of him is playing well. No need to rush the kid and ruin his confidence, because we don't have to.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I didn't "seriously" want the Ravens to cut Ed Reed, either. But i went off on the guy for making a terrible and highly visible play early in his rookie season.

Plenty of posts here are arguing that he's not going to make it as an NFL linebacker.



Both are examples of a highly touted rookie defender making a bad play and having people, seriously or not, questioning whether he belongs in the NFL or at least at his position, whether it be because of bad instincts for the position / less skill than advertised / failure to realize how fast NFL players are, or bad judgement / attitude / failure to realize how fast and tenacious NFL players are.

Several people liked my story so i think they understood how this thread's overreaction to Simmons' conspicuous bad play reminded me of my overreaction to Reed's conspicuous bad play.

If you still don't get it and feel the need to keep quibbling with it, I can only assume you're being deliberately obtuse.

...dbs

It’s still a bad analogy. No one ever questioned reed’s ability in the nfl as a result of what you are discussing.

 

[TJ]

There are plenty of examples of similar first round guys playing and contributing this year so I feel that argument is invalid. My issue is the Cardinals said they had a plan when they drafted him, it was obviously not been a very good one.

It also doesn't help that we have a terrible history when drafting project players high.

Or, they abandoned ship on that plan. His snap count dropped precipitously after the long TD last week. Perhaps they realized he needs to be eased in

 

[Cards4thebowl]

Not looking for good Keim this year.

Another first round pick bites the dust.

 

[iLLmatiC]

VJ needs to develop a hybrid, freak role for him. Everything that utilizes his instincts and natural ability. Some YouTuber mentioned giving him a designated area to patrol, like from the los to 10 yards back. He'll need to look at it like a box that he's responsible for.

VJ has done a terrible job of simplifying his role for him and utilize what he already has which is, great instincts, speed and his tackling/pursuit of the player. He's (Simmons) likely out there swimming in his own his own head trying to think instead of play.

We know the sort of talent Simmons has, the kid's a stud. At this point it all seems like coaching.

How much longer do we give this before we start getting nervous? November?

 

[SoonerLou]

VJ needs to develop a hybrid, freak role for him. Everything that utilizes his instincts and natural ability. Some YouTuber mentioned giving him a designated area to patrol, like from the los to 10 yards back. He'll need to look at it like a box that he's responsible for.

VJ has done a terrible job of simplifying his role for him and utilize what he already has which is, great instincts, speed and his tackling/pursuit of the player. He's (Simmons) likely out there swimming in his own his own head trying to think instead of play.

We know the sort of talent Simmons has, the kid's a stud. At this point it all seems like coaching.

How much longer do we give this before we start getting nervous? November?

Could have swore Haskins and that Washington team were perfect for Simmons to get a lot of snaps against.

Its a bit of concern.

I'm getting Andy Isabella rookie year vibes. Coaches/GM saying we messed him up moving him around so much.

There should be something for him to do. Maybe send him on a blitz up the middle every now and then. Get creative.

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

Campbell's play has got to be changing the plan for Simmons...and if it's not we are wasting an opportunity. Campbell is 27 years old, and should be able to be exactly what we need next to Hicks.

We have Budda locked up. Simmons would be an ideal safety...and should absolultley be able to beat out somone like Banjo. We like what we saw from Thompson at the end of last year, but its still an area that could use an upgrade.

Put Simmons at SS. Lets him use that size and speed to fly around and make plays.

Question (not) criticizing mind you but Simmons is just about the same size as one Adrian Wilson isnt he? Would that not be a ideal position for him I really dont know of Budda is playing there right now is the reason why I'm asking cant watch any football due to work Dang it!!!

 

[blindseyed]

He is a rookie in a new system with zero pre season and much of the learning done over a ZOOM app....

I can't repeat this enough, the whole NFL overall has been pretty sloppy compared to a regular year, yes, there's some great playing but overall we're still in preseason. Week 4 should start looking more crisp and rookies could take even longer. To be worried about Simmons right now is laughable, I blame Vance Joseph for not knowing how to use him not Simmons

 

[Zeno]

Calling the kid a "bust" 2 games in to his NFL career is nonsense.