What has happened to this offense since 2015?

[Buckybird]

One of the most explosive NFL offenses & best in Cardinals history has become stagnant. Why? Thoughts?

Just a few I think of:
1) defenses are taking away the HR ball playing more cover 2 & deep zones making Big Red drive & March the field for TDs instead of quick strikes

2) the Oline is worse & regressed. I know he wasn't great but has Seindleins loss made a difference?

3) Carsons finger injury? Sure is funny that he sure hasn't seemed like the same QB since that injury hmmmm

 

[Catfish]

I agree with most of what you proclaim---------however our O line is NOT leaking up the middle like last year. Humphries injury IS a huge loss however, one of the youngest and most healthy O linemen, will be missing for quite some time. Bad news. O-left tackle is the most critical position to lose at this point.

 

[kerouac9]

I agree with most of what you proclaim---------however our O line is NOT leaking up the middle like last year. Humphries injury IS a huge loss however, one of the youngest and most healthy O linemen, will be missing for quite some time. Bad news. O-left tackle is the most critical position to lose at this point.

Not sure what game you were watching yesterday. All the pressure on Palmer came up the middle.

 

[NJCardFan]

The same thing that happens to all teams who have a hot season; they adjust to your strengths. The bad part is, like Whiz, BA is too stubborn to make his own adjustments.


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[LittleDavis]

Our strengths from 2015 are old and we have not upgraded.

 

[THESMEL]

We were leading the NFL in rushing in 2015- with CJ - just like Edge was reinserted as starter after cards collapsed at the end of 08 regular season. It's the run game stupid!

No run game - 20% rushing this game - (with the lead) ain't a matter of brain surgery or rocket science, BA needs kicked in the nuts by Steve Keim and Keim needs kicked in the nuts by Michael Bidwill - cause nothing is changing without pain. Pain causes results nothing else will!

The oline and palmer- hell the entire team are not in position to succeed by fundamentally flawed coaching, game plan and play calling. Might help if fitz, fans or local media would acknowledge CJ, beanie, edge contribution to team success, but they are not even mentioned in any story of 15, 09, 08 - and it pisses me off.

We can not win in the NFL without a more balanced plan and execution opening up the 3rd dimension of play action, cards keep proving this same point as naiseum. Brady has never won a SB without a bell cow back. Neither did Warner!

Cardinal up and take it like a fan!

 

[Buckybird]

Come on peeps nobody got any reasons or thoughts why? Lol

 

[Mitch]

Come on peeps nobody got any reasons or thoughts why? Lol

The Seattle and Carolina games derailed Carson Palmer. He has not been the same since, although Palmer was still prone to making 3-4 mistakes a game even during the 9 game winning streak...but in 2015 after some poor starts like in the MNF Bengals' game, Palmer righted himself in the 2nd half. Now it seems he has more difficulty righting himself when he gets off to a poor start, as what happened versus the Seahawks and Panthers in 2015.

The other thing is, Michael Floyd was a legit weapon in 2015. Deep throws to him were huge in a number of games. Now the Cardinals have not added a player of Floyd's length, long speed and 50/50 prowess to make up for his loss.

 

[WisconsinCard]

We were leading the NFL in rushing in 2015- with CJ - just like Edge was reinserted as starter after cards collapsed at the end of 08 regular season. It's the run game stupid!

No run game - 20% rushing this game - (with the lead) ain't a matter of brain surgery or rocket science, BA needs kicked in the nuts by Steve Keim and Keim needs kicked in the nuts by Michael Bidwill - cause nothing is changing without pain. Pain causes results nothing else will!

The oline and palmer- hell the entire team are not in position to succeed by fundamentally flawed coaching, game plan and play calling. Might help if fitz, fans or local media would acknowledge CJ, beanie, edge contribution to team success, but they are not even mentioned in any story of 15, 09, 08 - and it pisses me off.

We can not win in the NFL without a more balanced plan and execution opening up the 3rd dimension of play action, cards keep proving this same point as naiseum. Brady has never won a SB without a bell cow back. Neither did Warner!

Cardinal up and take it like a fan!

Quit making up stats to support your silly obsession. We were never leading the league in rushing in 2015.

 

[BigRedRage]

John brown regressed significantly. Floyd is gone. Oline play is not as good.

 

[Dude]

Floyd got drunk, smoke got sick, and CP lost his mojo.

 

[kerouac9]

Larry Fitzgerald is two years older. He's playing out of the slot and teams aren't respecting him the way they used to. He's going to have to earn it by punishing people.

Same with Jaron Brown replacing Michael Floyd. Brown played 55 snaps and was targeted 0 times.

 

[Cards_Campos]

The Seattle and Carolina games derailed Carson Palmer. He has not been the same since, although Palmer was still prone to making 3-4 mistakes a game even during the 9 game winning streak...but in 2015 after some poor starts like in the MNF Bengals' game, Palmer righted himself in the 2nd half. Now it seems he has more difficulty righting himself when he gets off to a poor start, as what happened versus the Seahawks and Panthers in 2015.

The other thing is, Michael Floyd was a legit weapon in 2015. Deep throws to him were huge in a number of games. Now the Cardinals have not added a player of Floyd's length, long speed and 50/50 prowess to make up for his loss.

Guys we are acting like Palmer is 29....he is old and father time kicks in fast. Your brain tells you to throw. Your arm is a second behind....Manning looked awful his super bowl last year....but his defense was so darn good It was masked. Yesterday looked exactly like last year's East coast losses. We led. We blew easy opportunities. The opposition capitalized on every mistake and we lost.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Come on peeps nobody got any reasons or thoughts why? Lol

Since 2015?

First and foremost, the ridiculous notion this is the "same team" should be thrown out. It should have been thrown out last year.

1. Mike Iupati has very much regressed.

2. Carson Palmer is not getting any younger, and in 2015, his play was abnormally good in comparison to his normal play.

3. Michael Floyd regressed and disappeared. Unlike Bruce Arians, I feel you need a big bodied receiver in this league for tough conversion catches on 3rd down.

4. John Brown is a victim of injuries, and has not recovered the form he once had, and may never.

5. A.Q. Shipley is good but not great, and a liability.

6. Without a LG, and a OC, of starting quality, the job that is hiding the RG position, which has always been a weak point. Comes front and center.

7. Teams are not scared of any of the weapons on the Cardinals offense so everyone is keying David Johnson.

8. Our tight ends are not great blockers, but do not worry they are not great receivers either.

9. The offense hasn't had a clutch play in 2 years.

10. Larry Fitzgerald is still good. He is only about 80% of what he used to be though.


That is my stab at it.

It was arguable this offseason that the team should have gotten rid of its older core, picked up a QoF, and told Fitzgerald to ride off into the sunset.

The Cardinals decided to take one more shot at it with this group, and that may end up being the right move for the wrong reasons int the end.

Even if this season is somewhat of a success. If the following players do not pick up their game, they should be gone in the upcoming offseason:

1. Mike Iupati
2. Carson Palmer
3. Larry Fitzgerald
4. Jared Veldheer <--- still playing well but $$$$$$$
5. A.Q. Shipley
6. Troy Niklas
7. Jaron Brown

That would be more than 1/2 the current offense.

 

[AZCB34]

Biggest issue is 2015 was an outlier for Carson statistically speaking. Larry is older but he needs someone to deliver the ball to him. The OL is an issue but an older immobile QB doesn't help them either. David Johnson had something like 11 carries in preseason. Was he truly ready for season?

The D looks good except at CB opposite PP. Reddick looks like he will be a beast.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The biggest thing to me outside of age is that the O-line is COMPLETELY different. That O-line didn't have any individual standout players but it played VERY well together. They opened big holes for the running backs and gave Palmer a TON of time. Then we decided to completely revamp the line and it hasn't been the same since.

 

[BigRedRage]

Larry Fitzgerald is two years older. He's playing out of the slot and teams aren't respecting him the way they used to. He's going to have to earn it by punishing people.

Same with Jaron Brown replacing Michael Floyd. Brown played 55 snaps and was targeted 0 times.

Not that it changes much, and I see no catches on nfl.com....didnt he catch a first down on the left sideline?

 

[BigRedRage]

maybe it was called back:

Advice: Brown did see a couple passes thrown his way, but they were negated by penalty. On the bright side, he did get the start, and almost all of J.J. Nelson's production came in garbage time. Still, Jaron is unlikely to return fantasy value while John Brown is healthy.

 

[THESMEL]

Quit making up stats to support your silly obsession. We were never leading the league in rushing in 2015.

CJ was the leading rusher in the NFL for awhile - week to week and total - - so he lead the NFL! And a core reason why we went 13-3 - so don't even mention him in any of the success articles, DJ was great but CJ was the engine that allowed palmer and crew the ability to utilize play action and kick some az.

Why don't you or card fans know that? Celebrate that? Instead dogging on me

CJ stats 2015 - more we run better the whole team is period - been fundamental truth since the beggining of earth

http://www.nfl.com/player/chrisjohnson/262/gamelogs?season=2015

 

[splitsecond]

Larry Fitzgerald is two years older. He's playing out of the slot and teams aren't respecting him the way they used to. He's going to have to earn it by punishing people.

Same with Jaron Brown replacing Michael Floyd. Brown played 55 snaps and was targeted 0 times.

I actually think this is THE biggest key here. Seriously, JJ Nelson should not be getting more looks than Juron Brown on short and intermediate routes. Juron needs to earn it and Larry needs to play with some more fire. He looked like he was playing at about 70% yesterday.

 

[wit3card]

Carson Palmer ... is the biggest difference for me.

Carson never came back to his 2015 play, he plays like ... Happy Feet.

Carson can't deliver, he throws more picks, has sometimes 5 seconds to throw and throws in double or tripple coverage or doesn't see the deep safty that is waiting for the ball, throws high, throws low ... and so on.

Fitz, can get targeted 20 times, if the balls are thrown to him when he is doubled, the CB is on his toe or the ball is bad placed, yes he droped 1 that 2015 Fitz would have catched, but that is maybe not because Fitz is done, but more that he needs to work for every catch because he is never really free (and I don't get where you get Fitz isn't respected, Lions doubled and trippled on him all the time).

DJ was as good as CJ and DJ in 2015, but overall, our O wasn't as balanced as 2015 but not as much, most of the time because we were behind.

Overall after rewatching the game, the difference, even if BA and Bettcher get some blame, was Stafford vs Palmer. Stafford was the way better QB and that by a mile, even if he only came up in the 4th QT but Palmer never came up, he had 1 good drive, 1 good drive in a whole game.

I'm not a believer in Gabbert by any means, but Gabbert had as many in about every game he played in the NFL. And not many worse outings than CP on this sunday or against the Bills last year.

So to me, it starts with the QB, HC and sometimes DC but, overall ... Carson Palmer and Bruce Arians.

 

[Chopper0080]

#1 Carson Palmer can't CONNECT on vertical plays...say what you want on everything else, Palmer has failed in the past two years in hitting those vertical throws over the CBs and in front of the S. Hitting these routes creates space for our offense to work.

#2 Mike Iupati needs help and Shipley needs help, and they are supposed to be two of our better offensive linemen. Those two being ineffective has hurt Humphries development, the interior running game, and has limited Palmer's ability to move up in the pocket which hurts the OTs.

#3 Arians has gotten away from what it is he does well which is throwing the ball. Call it poor roster construction or poor fits, but we paid a ton for a lineman who struggled with pass blocking when we was at his best. We have an undersized C who needs helpand cant set the front of the pocket which is what allows QBs to step up in the pocket. Either Arians is trying to change into a run based offense (which has failed) or they have inserted running game OL into a passing game offense (also failed).

 

[kerouac9]

#1 Carson Palmer can't CONNECT on vertical plays...say what you want on everything else, Palmer has failed in the past two years in hitting those vertical throws over the CBs and in front of the S. Hitting these routes creates space for our offense to work.

#2 Mike Iupati needs help and Shipley needs help, and they are supposed to be two of our better offensive linemen. Those two being ineffective has hurt Humphries development, the interior running game, and has limited Palmer's ability to move up in the pocket which hurts the OTs.

#3 Arians has gotten away from what it is he does well which is throwing the ball. Call it poor roster construction or poor fits, but we paid a ton for a lineman who struggled with pass blocking when we was at his best. We have an undersized C who needs helpand cant set the front of the pocket which is what allows QBs to step up in the pocket. Either Arians is trying to change into a run based offense (which has failed) or they have inserted running game OL into a passing game offense (also failed).

Remember when we signed Veldheer and Iupati and then said that we'd be able to run it on third and 2? It looks like we went away from that. I don't know if Humphries' development has been hurt, because Humphries hasn't played a ton of football. It doesn't look like D.J.'s peeking to his right, though.

 

[WisconsinCard]

CJ was the leading rusher in the NFL for awhile - week to week and total - - so he lead the NFL! And a core reason why we went 13-3 - so don't even mention him in any of the success articles, DJ was great but CJ was the engine that allowed palmer and crew the ability to utilize play action and kick some az.

Why don't you or card fans know that? Celebrate that? Instead dogging on me

CJ stats 2015 - more we run better the whole team is period - been fundamental truth since the beggining of earth

http://www.nfl.com/player/chrisjohnson/262/gamelogs?season=2015

Dreaming is Free I guess.

 

[sdscard4]

O line is horrible. Sorry just horrible. Not getting a legit number 2 receiver is also a big issue. Yes Carson had a bad game but I'm not in no hurry for Stanton or Gabbert with this line or receivers . John Brown is at best a number 3 and that's him at 100%. We all knew we needed another receiver to go with Larry. Deep down we all knew it was gonna be an issue