What is the plan?

[JCSunsfan]

I have a feeling that James Jones is not going to get all starry-eyed over an offense-only player. He played D himself. The Raptors are proving that teams that have lots of two-way players can dominate-especially in the playoffs.

 

[1Sun]

I have a feeling that James Jones is not going to get all starry-eyed over an offense-only player. He played D himself. The Raptors are proving that teams that have lots of two-way players can dominate-especially in the playoffs.

Just as long as he doesn't get all starry-eyed over a defense-only player like Culver...

 

[Yuma]

What I like about Randle, are there are times he pulls a Draymond Green and just goes through a guy to the basket. He may be called for cherging, but you don't usually see two chargings in a game, and that's not because he is backing down in the low post!

 

[Superbone]

Yeah, chemistry-wise he fits in great with this team and he apparently really wants to be here. Other than that, the edge goes to Randle and I'm not sure how to choose between the two.

Why do we have to choose? I'd like to see them in the starting lineup together.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Why do we have to choose? I'd like to see them in the starting lineup together.

I think that was the essence of the hypothetical that was posed? Anyway, sure, I'd be fine with both of them out there but then we'd likely have to part with Bridges and I'm not too keen on that.

 

[Superbone]

I think that was the essence of the hypothetical that was posed? Anyway, sure, I'd be fine with both of them out there but then we'd likely have to part with Bridges and I'm not too keen on that.

Why can't Bridges be our backup SF?

 

[Yuma]

I am looking at the hypothetical that maybe we can get a starting five solidified, or keep tweeking our bench like we are starting to do, but with our cap you really can't do both WELL. Do you go starters and pick up bench later? Or like last year, struggle to find a starting five, put keep picking up guys with promise here and there?

 

[AzStevenCal]

Why can't Bridges be our backup SF?

How do we solve the PG problem, keep Bridges and Oubre and still add Randle? Don't get me wrong, I'd be fine with keeping what we have and settling for a low dollar vet or two but like I said, I was responding to a hypothetical.

 

[Proximo]

How do we solve the PG problem, keep Bridges and Oubre and still add Randle? Don't get me wrong, I'd be fine with keeping what we have and settling for a low dollar vet or two but like I said, I was responding to a hypothetical.

It's not that hard in theory.

Just have to dump most of Johnson and Warrens salaries.

 

[Proximo]

This is getting interesting.

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[Mainstreet]

This is getting interesting.

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He would look good in purple.

 

[Superbone]

I love his interest!

 

[Hoop Head]

I'd be really disappointed if James Jones hasn't reached out to Brooklyn about Dinwiddie yet. If nothing was behind the rumor initially, fine, but his interest should be enough to see what the price would be. No harm in talking.

A Josh Jackson for Dinwiddie deal would give Brooklyn the extra $3 million or so in cap space they need to offer the max to Durant and Kyrie also. I don't know if that would be enough, and I really don't want to trade to Josh, but I think I'd pull the trigger on a straight swap of those 2.

 

[Mainstreet]

If the Nets sign Kyrie and Durant, D'Angelo Russell will be available. Dinwiddie is the more reasonable option though.

 

[1Sun]

I'd be really disappointed if James Jones hasn't reached out to Brooklyn about Dinwiddie yet. If nothing was behind the rumor initially, fine, but his interest should be enough to see what the price would be. No harm in talking.

A Josh Jackson for Dinwiddie deal would give Brooklyn the extra $3 million or so in cap space they need to offer the max to Durant and Kyrie also. I don't know if that would be enough, and I really don't want to trade to Josh, but I think I'd pull the trigger on a straight swap of those 2.

I would only do that if they threw in the #17 pick, and even then it would make me nervous. I really don't want to trade Josh Jackson. I think that with proper coaching (and I think Monty can be the guy to provide it, his infatuation with Tyler Johnson notwithstanding), Josh Jackson still has the potential to be another Scottie Pippen. I would much prefer for Warren to be the odd man out among the wings.

 

[Hoop Head]

If the Nets sign Kyrie and Durant, D'Angelo Russell will be available. Dinwiddie is the more reasonable option though.

If they sign both KD and Kyrie then not only might Russell be available but it might not cost us the max. The max was something I think we will need to offer if we want any chance of Brooklyn passing on matching the deal. So we could save a few million if his rights are rescinded.

 

[Mainstreet]

If they sign both KD and Kyrie then not only might Russell be available but it might not cost us the max. The max was something I think we will need to offer if we want any chance of Brooklyn passing on matching the deal. So we could save a few million if his rights are rescinded.

I don't think I would want to pay Russell any where near 27 million a season but I'm still suffering from sticker shock in the new NBA. Hopefully Oubre doesn't get an offer near 20 million which would make him hard to keep.

 

[Hoop Head]

I don't think I would want to pay Russell any where near 27 million a season but I'm still suffering from sticker shock in the new NBA. Hopefully Oubre doesn't get an offer near 20 million which would make him hard to keep.

I agree in both instances. I think the max we should spend on Russell is about $22 million. I would only go max if the Nets claim they'll match. They won't think twice about matching a deal in the $20-22 million range.

For Oubre it should be no more than $18 million that decreases rather than increases, opening up more room as time goes on. I think the final year would be around $14 million then. Ideally we'll be able to sign Oubre for $13 or $14.

 

[1Sun]

I don't think I would want to pay Russell any where near 27 million a season but I'm still suffering from sticker shock in the new NBA. Hopefully Oubre doesn't get an offer near 20 million which would make him hard to keep.

My guess (and fear) is that Suns management is expecting this and is therefore preparing to let Oubre walk and replace him with Culver.

Don't be surprised if next year's roster looks something like this:

Tyler Johnson
Booker
Ayton
Thaddeus Young
Warren

Bridges
Josh Jackson
Culver
Dedmon
TJ McConnell

Okobo
Melton
Grant Williams
King
Undrafted Rookie Free Agent Big Man

In my opinion, that roster would struggle to win 15-20 games.

 

[Mainstreet]

My guess (and fear) is that Suns management is expecting this and is therefore preparing to let Oubre walk and replace him with Culver.

Don't be surprised if next year's roster looks something like this:

Tyler Johnson
Booker
Ayton
Thaddeus Young
Warren

Bridges
Josh Jackson
Culver
Dedmon
TJ McConnell

Okobo
Melton
Grant Williams
King
Undrafted Rookie Free Agent Big Man

In my opinion, that roster would struggle to win 15-20 games.

If the Suns let Oubre walk they essentially lose a third piece of what could be the Suns core: Ayton, Booker and Oubre.

We can only hope the Suns replace him with someone like Randle but Oubre fits so nicely on defense.

I have no problem keeping Tyler to play point guard but they are going to need more than McConnell. He would make a good third point guard but that is unlikely to happen. The Suns cannot depend on Culver being ready to go.

I think the Suns trade Warren or Jackson.

 

[Mainstreet]

I agree in both instances. I think the max we should spend on Russell is about $22 million. I would only go max if the Nets claim they'll match. They won't think twice about matching a deal in the $20-22 million range.

For Oubre it should be no more than $18 million that decreases rather than increases, opening up more room as time goes on. I think the final year would be around $14 million then. Ideally we'll be able to sign Oubre for $13 or $14.

I'm still trying to figure out where the Suns get the money.

If the Nets add Kyrie and Durant, I think Russell is gone.

I like the decreasing salary for Oubre. If they can get him for around 13-14 million, that's about the best they can hope for.

 

[Hoop Head]

I'm still trying to figure out where the Suns get the money.

If the Nets add Kyrie and Durant, I think Russell is gone.

I like the decreasing salary for Oubre. If they can get him for around 13-14 million, that's about the best they can hope for.

They can go over the cap to sign Oubre, which is important. I believe they'll have roughly $12 million in cap space before he's signed so they will need to clear some cap space to sign Russell, or anyone pricey, and then work out a deal with Oubre for his deal that would require him to wait until our other free agents sign so that way we can sign him to go over the cap and give him his money. A trade is almost a certainty if they don't stretch someone and it's unlikely they will stretch Tyler Johnson with how much Monty seems to like him.

It'll be an interesting offseason. Either we'll look like we did last year plus a rookie or two and some guys on very minimal deals or we'll replace a few rotation players and will look quite different with the exception of Booker, Ayton, and Bridges. I think everyone else could be moved for various reasons.

What I'm trying to figure out is where did all the cap space go. Yes, we have Booker on a max deal and Ayton as the #1 overall pick but everyone else is supposed to be on cheap deals so how are we so close to capped out?

Here is a breakdown of next year's salaries. The salary cap is projected to be around $109 million.

Here is the link to where I got the cap info, Spotrac.com

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[Proximo]

If they sign both KD and Kyrie then not only might Russell be available but it might not cost us the max. The max was something I think we will need to offer if we want any chance of Brooklyn passing on matching the deal. So we could save a few million if his rights are rescinded.

It would absolutely cost the max, because the lakers and Utah would definitely both offer it to him.

 

[Hoop Head]

It would absolutely cost the max, because the lakers and Utah would definitely both offer it to him.

You think the Lakers will offer him the max? I'm not so sure about that, especially if they draft Garland.

As for Utah, they won't have max cap space unless they rescind all of their free agents and that includes Favors, Korver, Rubio, Sefolosha, and Udoh. They can make the room but I've heard they want to move Mitchell to PG so they might go after a wing instead of Russell.

Those teams might offer the max though, it's not guaranteed. There is a chance we can get him below the max, that's all I was saying.

 

[Proximo]

I don’t think Oubre is going anywhere.

I think there is a reason Tyler Johnson has not yet picked up his option, and it’s because we are working on an extension.

That should give us 20 million, while keeping our cap hold on Oubre.

We would just need to dump warren or Jackson to be able to sign Russell, and probably could get randle without having to dump anyone.

But, I really doubt we can get both a quality pg and pf. Unless it’s randle and Dinwiddie through trade.