What is the plan?

[SunnyBaller]

Then why are you here posting? Now, I am not saying you should not be here posting. I am saying your statement is not accurate or you would not be here.

I'm hear to hopefully watch the resurrection of the franchise

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'm hear to hopefully watch the resurrection of the franchise

Great response.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I'm hear to hopefully watch the resurrection of the franchise

Touche.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think everyone should buckle themselves in for a disappointing offseason. I don’t expect there to be a lot of moves that people on the board are going to cheer.

Here’s what I expect:

Resign oubre - good move, but doesn’t, in and of itself, advance the organization from last season

Resign Holmes or an equivalent - see above, but to a lesser degree

Draft someone at 6 that will have a minimal immediate impact but with hope for future (garland, white, hunter)

Sign someone like Cory Joseph

Sign a low level pf (not a randle) or flop back to resigning Bender

I’ll be surprised if they accomplish more than that.

 

[SunnyBaller]

I think everyone should buckle themselves in for a disappointing offseason. I don’t expect there to be a lot of moves that people on the board are going to cheer.

Here’s what I expect:

Resign oubre - good move, but doesn’t, in and of itself, advance the organization from last season

Resign Holmes or an equivalent - see above, but to a lesser degree

Draft someone at 6 that will have a minimal immediate impact but with hope for future (garland, white, hunter)

Sign someone like Cory Joseph

Sign a low level pf (not a randle) or flop back to resigning Bender

I’ll be surprised if they accomplish more than that.

That wouldn't surprise me in the least if that's all that happens I'm just hoping Jones wants to try and make a splash in his first season as GM

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That wouldn't surprise me in the least if that's all that happens I'm just hoping Jones wants to try and make a splash in his first season as GM

Oh I think he definitely wants to do more, I just suspect he’ll fail. No knock on Jones. Rather I think it’s a confluence of facts:

Some, but limited, cap space

Lots of other teams with lots of cap space

19 wins

Organization with poor rep

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think everyone should buckle themselves in for a disappointing offseason. I don’t expect there to be a lot of moves that people on the board are going to cheer.

Here’s what I expect:

Resign oubre - good move, but doesn’t, in and of itself, advance the organization from last season

Resign Holmes or an equivalent - see above, but to a lesser degree

Draft someone at 6 that will have a minimal immediate impact but with hope for future (garland, white, hunter)

Sign someone like Cory Joseph

Sign a low level pf (not a randle) or flop back to resigning Bender

I’ll be surprised if they accomplish more than that.

I agree that our offseason moves will likely be underwhelming, I don't think we have a painless way to do more than that. We could make some very short sighted moves and add a decent starter but I think we're better off waiting for Tyler's salary to come off the books (naturally - not stretched).

 

[Yuma]

https://omny.fm/shows/the-rundown-with-luke-lapinski/monty-williams-suns-head-coach

This is a very good interview. Coach gives a lot of insight on our players, organization, his coaching love, and even how JJ and the front office are operating.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think everyone should buckle themselves in for a disappointing offseason. I don’t expect there to be a lot of moves that people on the board are going to cheer.

Here’s what I expect:

Resign oubre - good move, but doesn’t, in and of itself, advance the organization from last season

Resign Holmes or an equivalent - see above, but to a lesser degree

Draft someone at 6 that will have a minimal immediate impact but with hope for future (garland, white, hunter)

Sign someone like Cory Joseph

Sign a low level pf (not a randle) or flop back to resigning Bender

I’ll be surprised if they accomplish more than that.

1. Resign Oubre--yes
2. Resign Holmes--no.
3. Draft someone with minimal impact--yes, I suppose, but I am hopeful of something better.
4. Sign someone like Corey Joseph--maybe. Looks like Monty is high on Tyler, so I am thinking McConnell as a back up.
5. Low level pf--I think it will be a pf/C. Dedmon will be nice.
6. Resign Bender. I think they might, just at lower than picking up his option would be. His teammates really like him.

But how can it be disappointing when expectations are already this low?

 

[Yuma]

1. Resign Oubre--yes
2. Resign Holmes--no.
3. Draft someone with minimal impact--yes, I suppose, but I am hopeful of something better.
4. Sign someone like Corey Joseph--maybe. Looks like Monty is high on Tyler, so I am thinking McConnell as a back up.
5. Low level pf--I think it will be a pf/C. Dedmon will be nice.
6. Resign Bender. I think they might, just at lower than picking up his option would be. His teammates really like him.

But how can it be disappointing when expectations are already this low?

Some here have higher expectations than others. Just an observation.

 

[Cheesebeef]

1. Resign Oubre--yes
2. Resign Holmes--no.
3. Draft someone with minimal impact--yes, I suppose, but I am hopeful of something better.
4. Sign someone like Corey Joseph--maybe. Looks like Monty is high on Tyler, so I am thinking McConnell as a back up.
5. Low level pf--I think it will be a pf/C. Dedmon will be nice.
6. Resign Bender. I think they might, just at lower than picking up his option would be. His teammates really like him.

But how can it be disappointing when expectations are already this low?

why not resign Holmes (assuming it's a reasonable deal)? He's a perfect energy big man off the bench, IMO.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

1. Resign Oubre--yes
2. Resign Holmes--no.
3. Draft someone with minimal impact--yes, I suppose, but I am hopeful of something better.
4. Sign someone like Corey Joseph--maybe. Looks like Monty is high on Tyler, so I am thinking McConnell as a back up.
5. Low level pf--I think it will be a pf/C. Dedmon will be nice.
6. Resign Bender. I think they might, just at lower than picking up his option would be. His teammates really like him.

But how can it be disappointing when expectations are already this low?

Because posters are talking about jrue and randle and using comments like, “they should be able to . . . “ when throwing out these ideas. Compared to those types of moves the summary above (mine or your’s) is going to be disappointing to most.

 

[JCSunsfan]

why not resign Holmes (assuming it's a reasonable deal)? He's a perfect energy big man off the bench, IMO.

I am not arguing for not resigning Holmes. I am predicting he will not be resigned. They are going to look for a more complete player--Dedmon maybe.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I am not arguing for not resigning Holmes. I am predicting he will not be resigned. They are going to look for a more complete player--Dedmon maybe.

gotcha.

 

[Hoop Head]

I am not arguing for not resigning Holmes. I am predicting he will not be resigned. They are going to look for a more complete player--Dedmon maybe.

I don't know if Dedmon is a more complete C than Holmes but I think the Suns will be looking for someone who can be paired with Ayton occasionally. Dedmon should be a better fit in that regard. Not only is he a capable 3 pt shooter now but he has experience playing with other bigs from his time in San Antonio. I suspect his time in San Antonio is probably why there is interest also, because of Monty's ties to the Spurs.

 

[Yuma]

OK, here's a what if. Let's say we could get D'Angelo Russel AND Julius Randle, while keeping Bridges, Booker, and Ayton, but we had to let Oubre and EVERYONE else go off the roster and have complete NBA journeymen on the bench. Would you do it?

 

[SunnyBaller]

OK, here's a what if. Let's say we could get D'Angelo Russel AND Julius Randle, while keeping Bridges, Booker, and Ayton, but we had to let Oubre and EVERYONE else go off the roster and have complete NBA journeymen on the bench. Would you do it?

I'd do that in a heartbeat , Booker Ayton and bridges are the only ones I even want on the team right now anyway, if they had to fill out the bench with draft picks or whatever this year who cares that starting 5 would be way above what we had last year

 

[Hoop Head]

OK, here's a what if. Let's say we could get D'Angelo Russel AND Julius Randle, while keeping Bridges, Booker, and Ayton, but we had to let Oubre and EVERYONE else go off the roster and have complete NBA journeymen on the bench. Would you do it?

I'd pass. Adding Russell would be great but I'd rather keep Oubre than sign Randle if it came down to that. I would prefer playing small than committing a lot of money to a frontcourt that isn't a great pairing. If the choice was someone other than Randle like Mirotic, who would fit much better next to Ayton, then I could handle losing Oubre but I'd try like hell to unload Warren and Jackson to make room to keep Oubre.

 

[1Sun]

I'd pass. Adding Russell would be great but I'd rather keep Oubre than sign Randle if it came down to that. I would prefer playing small than committing a lot of money to a frontcourt that isn't a great pairing. If the choice was someone other than Randle like Mirotic, who would fit much better next to Ayton, then I could handle losing Oubre but I'd try like hell to unload Warren and Jackson to make room to keep Oubre.

While it is a tough call for me, I think I am in this camp, especially if we can draft Hunter at 6.

If we can get Thaddeus Young or Mirotic at PF, with Hunter backing him up, to go along with getting Russell and finding a way to keep Oubre, I would consider this offseason a resounding success.

My fear is that instead we come out of this offseason with Joseph or McConnell backing up Tyler Johnson at the point, someone like Young or Mirotic at PF with Dedmon at back-up power forward and center, and Culver to replace Oubre (even though Culver is too small to play small forward). In my opinion, that team is worse than last year's team.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I'd pass. Adding Russell would be great but I'd rather keep Oubre than sign Randle if it came down to that. I would prefer playing small than committing a lot of money to a frontcourt that isn't a great pairing. If the choice was someone other than Randle like Mirotic, who would fit much better next to Ayton, then I could handle losing Oubre but I'd try like hell to unload Warren and Jackson to make room to keep Oubre.

Hmm. If it is Oubre or Randle, I might go Oubre too. The defense is better and he is a better fit with Ayton.

 

[Sunburn]

Hmm. If it is Oubre or Randle, I might go Oubre too. The defense is better and he is a better fit with Ayton.

I too am under the impression that Oubre is a better defender than Randle, yet Randle's advanced defensive statistics are better. Not sure what to think. Sometimes I think advanced statistics cause more confusion than anything. What I am not confused about is Randle had a better 3pt% last year than Oubre, on pretty decent volume. I love Oubre, I really do. But couple these metrics, along with the fact that Randle plays the pf position, and he might be the better allocation of cap space for us.

Then again, we know Oubre fits brilliantly with this team, whereas Randle is a question mark. That is a big consideration, and maybe what settles it in favor of Oubre.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Then again, we know Oubre fits brilliantly with this team, whereas Randle is a question mark. That is a big consideration, and maybe what settles it in favor of Oubre.

Yeah, chemistry-wise he fits in great with this team and he apparently really wants to be here. Other than that, the edge goes to Randle and I'm not sure how to choose between the two.

 

[Hoop Head]

One reason I like Oubre more than Randle and would choose him is how Booker played with Oubre. We saw Booker playing average defense in February and March when the Suns went on their little run and that was when Oubre was moved into the starting lineup. Those who were watching commented on the chemistry between Oubre and Booker and how Booker seemed to really be trying to play defense for large portions of games at that time. It sucks that Oubre ended up sitting out and getting surgery because those 2 seemed to gel really well together and I was interested in seeing how long we would see Booker playing defense like that. He reverted back to his old ways after Oubre was ruled out and that was unfortunate but it did give me hope for what we could see this coming season.

 

[Proximo]

OK, here's a what if. Let's say we could get D'Angelo Russel AND Julius Randle, while keeping Bridges, Booker, and Ayton, but we had to let Oubre and EVERYONE else go off the roster and have complete NBA journeymen on the bench. Would you do it?

For Randle and Russell. Yes

For just one of them, No.

 

[Proximo]

While it is a tough call for me, I think I am in this camp, especially if we can draft Hunter at 6.

If we can get Thaddeus Young or Mirotic at PF, with Hunter backing him up, to go along with getting Russell and finding a way to keep Oubre, I would consider this offseason a resounding success.

My fear is that instead we come out of this offseason with Joseph or McConnell backing up Tyler Johnson at the point, someone like Young or Mirotic at PF with Dedmon at back-up power forward and center, and Culver to replace Oubre (even though Culver is too small to play small forward). In my opinion, that team is worse than last year's team.

I too am under the impression that Oubre is a better defender than Randle, yet Randle's advanced defensive statistics are better. Not sure what to think. Sometimes I think advanced statistics cause more confusion than anything. What I am not confused about is Randle had a better 3pt% last year than Oubre, on pretty decent volume. I love Oubre, I really do. But couple these metrics, along with the fact that Randle plays the pf position, and he might be the better allocation of cap space for us.

Then again, we know Oubre fits brilliantly with this team, whereas Randle is a question mark. That is a big consideration, and maybe what settles it in favor of Oubre.

Randle is the better player, and I think has more potential going forward.

But I am pretty sure chemistry wise Oubre is better, maybe by a lot.

If by some miracle we were able to get Russell and Randle - we have a balanced young team for the long term

Russell
Booker
Bridges
Randle
Ayton

Randle fits better because neither bridges or Oubre can play the 4.