What would Jack Welch ( GE's retired leader) do?

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I've done business with the man. He is truely deserving of all the accolades he received during his professional business career. They say that football is a business......and indeed it is....albeit very different than a traditional corporation....in that in football decisions are taken on an annual basis.

GE (and other Fortune 1000 companies) have to react to changes in it's business plans on a day-day basis. If an executive is dropping the ball, he can be let go. There is either someone internally that can be promoted or they can go outside and find an individual from a large pool candidates. This is not possible in the business world of football.

Would I fire Green? The simple answer is yes....and I suspect that Welch would as well. The question is when. It is important not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.....and in football, the bathtub is pretty small, especially mid-season.

IMO, Green is an egomanic/bull head, whom has shown he is incapable of "changing the business plan" when things are obviously wrong. He is not smart. He doesn't have "it". For his talents in identifying talent, he can't motivate or manage them. He is not a tactician. He is distant from his team, he feels "better" than them. He has demonstrated that he will not accept blame or that he has made bad decisions. These are very bad managerial characteristics.....and Welch would have seen them.

But in a business that is year-year, it would be wrong to try and fire him in mid-season. The end result would be more devestating than the gain....the damage to the psyche of what is a nucleus of young talent might be too long lasting. Accept it, firing Green now would be counter productive given the long term. The ramifications would go to deep throughout.

But make no mistake......if this were Jack Walsh's team, even getting to the playoffs would not save him...even though I think the Bidwill clan will keep him if we end up 7-9 or better......but Jack Welch would kick his chili butt out the door.

So what would Jack do RIGHT NOW? Here's what I think. And if Green felt intimidated, grow up or get out. Managers need to be managed.

a) He'd walk into Green's office and DEMAND: Move Davis to G.....you pick the side.

b) He'd ask Green why we are so damn predicable in terms of our offensive play calling?

c) He'd sit Edge down and read him the riot act. Enough of the whining....yeah, our O-Line is affecting your performance, but damnit, we are going to find out the answer. Work with us here......and BTW, until we get the O-Line configured right, your carries will be reduced. I want you around for the next three years....I'm not going to get you killed in the interim.....ergot, more of Arrington.

d) He'd redo Hayes right now......but not Dansby. Show Karlos that performance gets rewarded. If he turns the corner before the end of the year, you are next.

e) He'd tell the fans that I'm in charge by having "fire-side chats". Once a week, He'd make myself available to his constituents....the shareholders if you will. Let's talk about things.....He'd share the realities of this business with you and would listen to your *******. He'd respect your input. Any good business believes and has a program of customer satisfaction surveys....barr none....that is if they want to survive and prosper. He'd implement one.

f) He'd have a team meeting.....without the coaches. Off site. He'd probe. And then he'd talk to the coaches. No names, no pack drill. I'm not talking Jerry Jones/George Steinbrenner style type, I'm talking about being a proactive consensus builder. It's not the owners against the coaches or the coaches against the players here.....it's called team building accross organizational lines.

g) He'd nurture. He'd encourage comaraderie through rewards-recognition....simple things like if the O-Line allows Edge to get 100 yards, Edge picks up the tab. He'd make it fun. He'd bring them back to the days when being a team versus a professional meant something.

h) He'd create a $-$ matching competition for a meaningful community benefit....between the players and management. Small thing, but really important.

I could go on and on.........and as many of you know, I likely will.

Once again,

JMHO.
 
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Isn't he the Raiders OC?
 

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Problem with football is that, while it's a business, it's also a monopoly, which is precisely why the Cardinals can be pathetic and still earn so much money.

Now, if there was two NFL pro football teams in town, there would be competition and . . . you know the rest.
 

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Problem with football is that, while it's a business, it's also a monopoly, which is precisely why the Cardinals can be pathetic and still earn so much money.

Now, if there was two NFL pro football teams in town, there would be competition and . . . you know the rest.
it would still be a monopoly
 

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Not to go too far off track here, but why Jack Welch? Why not pick a business leader who has left a legacy of success (check GE's performace since he left) and one who doesn't refer to employees as turkeys? We're talking about the guy that promoted a program that is referred to as "rank and yank" and suggesting that he would somehow bring people together?

I think Dennis Green is a little too much like Welch in his arrogance and attitude to people that work for him and therein lies the problem.
 

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Fireside chats are a good idea with the Cards management. FDR did the same during the Depression, and we ARE in the equivelant....ours has lasted close to ten years now without the playoffs.
 

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I've done business with the man. He is truely deserving of all the accolades he received during his professional business career. They say that football is a business......and indeed it is....albeit very different than a traditional corporation....in that in football decisions are taken on an annual basis.

GE (and other Fortune 1000 companies) have to react to changes in it's business plans on a day-day basis. If an executive is dropping the ball, he can be let go. There is either someone internally that can be promoted or they can go outside and find an individual from a large pool candidates. This is not possible in the business world of football.

Would I fire Green? The simple answer is yes....and I suspect that Walsh would as well. The question is when. It is important not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.....and in football, the bathtub is pretty small, especially mid-season.

IMO, Green is an egomanic/bull head, whom has shown he is incapable of "changing the business plan" when things are obviously wrong. He is not smart. He doesn't have "it". For his talents in identifying talent, he can't motivate or manage them. He is not a tactician. He is distant from his team, he feels "better" than them. He has demonstrated that he will not accept blame or that he has made bad decisions. These are very bad managerial characteristics.....and Walsh would have seen them.

But in a business that is year-year, it would be wrong to try and fire him in mid-season. The end result would be more devestating than the gain....the damage to the psyche of what is a nucleus of young talent might be too long lasting. Accept it, firing Green now would be counter productive given the long term. The ramifications would go to deep throughout.

But make no mistake......if this were Jack Walsh's team, even getting to the playoffs would not save him...even though I think the Bidwill clan will keep him if we end up 7-9 or better......but Jack Walsh would kick his chili butt out the door.

So what would Jack do RIGHT NOW? Here's what I think. And if Green felt intimidated, grow up or get out. Managers need to be managed.

a) He'd walk into Green's office and DEMAND: Move Davis to G.....you pick the side.

b) He'd ask Green why we are so damn predicable in terms of our offensive play calling?

c) He'd sit Edge down and read him the riot act. Enough of the whining....yeah, our O-Line is affecting your performance, but damnit, we are going to find out the answer. Work with us here......and BTW, until we get the O-Line configured right, your carries will be reduced. I want you around for the next three years....I'm not going to get you killed in the interim.....ergot, more of Arrington.

d) He'd redo Hayes right now......but not Dansby. Show Karlos that performance gets rewarded. If he turns the corner before the end of the year, you are next.

e) He'd tell the fans that I'm in charge by having "fire-side chats". Once a week, He'd make myself available to his constituents....the shareholders if you will. Let's talk about things.....He'd share the realities of this business with you and would listen to your *******. He'd respect your input. Any good business believes and has a program of customer satisfaction surveys....barr none....that is if they want to survive and prosper. He'd implement one.

f) He'd have a team meeting.....without the coaches. Off site. He'd probe. And then he'd talk to the coaches. No names, no pack drill. I'm not talking Jerry Jones/George Steinbrenner style type, I'm talking about being a proactive consensus builder. It's not the owners against the coaches or the coaches against the players here.....it's called team building accross organizational lines.

g) He'd nurture. He'd encourage comaraderie through rewards-recognition....simple things like if the O-Line allows Edge to get 100 yards, Edge picks up the tab. He'd make it fun. He'd bring them back to the days when being a team versus a professional meant something.

h) He'd create a $-$ matching competition for a meaningful community benefit....between the players and management. Small thing, but really important.

I could go on and on.........and as many of you know, I likely will.

Once again,

JMHO.

Not to knock your post in any way, but...

Just about any one of us on this board (not all) would do the exact same thing given the opportunity. It's a common sense solution to the quite obvious void in the Cards leadership, specifically Green.

Why he can't see it, or refuses to address it, only he and his ego know.
 

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Fireside chats are a good idea with the Cards management. FDR did the same during the Depression, and we ARE in the equivelant....ours has lasted close to ten years now without the playoffs.

That's where the term originated. FDR did that because there was no tv. If there had been, as we all know, he would not have been elected.

Fireside chats.... hmmm.... I'd like to see Bill Bidwill Sr. give that a go.
 

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i hear he'd probably set himself up with a nice little retirement package also.
 
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I am not a "fan" of Jack Welch...

But all of your ideas have merit, spanky!

I think a large part of the Cardinals problems right now are DG's aloofness from the team. He is not a guy that inspires nor brings together the team.

As much as Mac was "one heart", Green is no heart!
 

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maybe he could get us a deal on some new appliances like a new toaster oven or one of those fancy new washing machines
 

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I've done business with the man. He is truely deserving of all the accolades he received during his professional business career. They say that football is a business......and indeed it is....albeit very different than a traditional corporation....in that in football decisions are taken on an annual basis.

GE (and other Fortune 1000 companies) have to react to changes in it's business plans on a day-day basis. If an executive is dropping the ball, he can be let go. There is either someone internally that can be promoted or they can go outside and find an individual from a large pool candidates. This is not possible in the business world of football.

Would I fire Green? The simple answer is yes....and I suspect that Welch would as well. The question is when. It is important not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.....and in football, the bathtub is pretty small, especially mid-season.

IMO, Green is an egomanic/bull head, whom has shown he is incapable of "changing the business plan" when things are obviously wrong. He is not smart. He doesn't have "it". For his talents in identifying talent, he can't motivate or manage them. He is not a tactician. He is distant from his team, he feels "better" than them. He has demonstrated that he will not accept blame or that he has made bad decisions. These are very bad managerial characteristics.....and Welch would have seen them.

But in a business that is year-year, it would be wrong to try and fire him in mid-season. The end result would be more devestating than the gain....the damage to the psyche of what is a nucleus of young talent might be too long lasting. Accept it, firing Green now would be counter productive given the long term. The ramifications would go to deep throughout.

But make no mistake......if this were Jack Walsh's team, even getting to the playoffs would not save him...even though I think the Bidwill clan will keep him if we end up 7-9 or better......but Jack Welch would kick his chili butt out the door.

So what would Jack do RIGHT NOW? Here's what I think. And if Green felt intimidated, grow up or get out. Managers need to be managed.

a) He'd walk into Green's office and DEMAND: Move Davis to G.....you pick the side.

b) He'd ask Green why we are so damn predicable in terms of our offensive play calling?

c) He'd sit Edge down and read him the riot act. Enough of the whining....yeah, our O-Line is affecting your performance, but damnit, we are going to find out the answer. Work with us here......and BTW, until we get the O-Line configured right, your carries will be reduced. I want you around for the next three years....I'm not going to get you killed in the interim.....ergot, more of Arrington.

d) He'd redo Hayes right now......but not Dansby. Show Karlos that performance gets rewarded. If he turns the corner before the end of the year, you are next.

e) He'd tell the fans that I'm in charge by having "fire-side chats". Once a week, He'd make myself available to his constituents....the shareholders if you will. Let's talk about things.....He'd share the realities of this business with you and would listen to your *******. He'd respect your input. Any good business believes and has a program of customer satisfaction surveys....barr none....that is if they want to survive and prosper. He'd implement one.

f) He'd have a team meeting.....without the coaches. Off site. He'd probe. And then he'd talk to the coaches. No names, no pack drill. I'm not talking Jerry Jones/George Steinbrenner style type, I'm talking about being a proactive consensus builder. It's not the owners against the coaches or the coaches against the players here.....it's called team building accross organizational lines.

g) He'd nurture. He'd encourage comaraderie through rewards-recognition....simple things like if the O-Line allows Edge to get 100 yards, Edge picks up the tab. He'd make it fun. He'd bring them back to the days when being a team versus a professional meant something.

h) He'd create a $-$ matching competition for a meaningful community benefit....between the players and management. Small thing, but really important.

I could go on and on.........and as many of you know, I likely will.

Once again,

JMHO.

I also worked for GE as a District Manager of one of their Companies. You either get the desired results or you were history with Welch in Command. You presented your yearly forecast late each fall to Management in person. Nothing less than a 10% growth was acceptable so if you did not have that on your forecast might just as well stay home. No excuses. Just get the results or get out of the way for someone who could. Tough way to live but I made it to retirement. Not without a lot of sleepless nights.

No way Jack Welch would let a business like the Cards perform the way they have this long.
 

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I am not a "fan" of Jack Welch...

But all of your ideas have merit, spanky!

I think a large part of the Cardinals problems right now are DG's aloofness from the team. He is not a guy that inspires nor brings together the team.

As much as Mac was "one heart", Green is no heart!

Of course I only know DG from his TV appearances. From those he does not strike me as a Leader. Comes across as not very smart and aloof. Also rarely accepts responsibility for things that go wrong.
 

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You guys keep spelling it wrong, it's a fool, not aloof.
 

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Where do you draw the line?

...walk into Green's office and DEMAND: Move Davis to G.....you pick the side.

I don't agree with this one. It's easy to wish ownership would do this, but do we really want Michael Bidwill telling the coaches who must play what position? My guess is that Big has been at LT this whole time because it was ownership that told Green "we're payin' him to be an LT - you play him as an LT."

Ownership should hold Green, Graves, et. al accountable for results. They should not be dictating football decisions.

JMHO!
 

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I don't agree with this one. It's easy to wish ownership would do this, but do we really want Michael Bidwill telling the coaches who must play what position? My guess is that Big has been at LT this whole time because it was ownership that told Green "we're payin' him to be an LT - you play him as an LT."

Ownership should hold Green, Graves, et. al accountable for results. They should not be dictating football decisions.

JMHO!

I have reached the point where if we were 4th and 2 in the red zone I would run Big into the line. I doubt he would need much of an offensive line. If Refrigerator Perry can do it why not Big? At least line him up in the backfield down on the goal line and it would give the defense something to think about. Am I thinking out side the box or what? I have had my koolaid for the day.
 

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I don't agree with this one. It's easy to wish ownership would do this, but do we really want Michael Bidwill telling the coaches who must play what position? My guess is that Big has been at LT this whole time because it was ownership that told Green "we're payin' him to be an LT - you play him as an LT."

Ownership should hold Green, Graves, et. al accountable for results. They should not be dictating football decisions.

JMHO!

Does anyone know if Graves really has anything to do with drafting players? He is not the GM by title or actions so just what can one hold him accountable for. Seems like all I hear is he may negotiate contracts and you can bet that is only with the Bidwills ok on each deal. Perhaps our biggest problem is we do not have a GM. It is sort of done by committee?
 

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