What would you give for Kevin Love

[Cheesebeef]

No, they don't. If they did, they wouldn't sound like they are pulling all the information they have out of their rear end. I guarantee you that Slin has not watched a full Wolves game in 2-3 years, with a possible exception of one or two against the Suns. Same applies to several other posters.

There IS legitimate criticism of Love. Defense, ability to lead the team, etc, but how people can not know that he is arguably the best big man in the game when it comes to offense is beyond me. It must be willful ignorance. For God's sake, how does one average over 25 points per game without having a go-to move?

Chambers used to do it for years. Blake Griffin doesn't really have a go to move.

 

[SirStefan32]

The Suns actually had one the the best post defenses with him Cliff Robinson and Googs. He had terrible hands so I don't think he was ever going to be much of an offensive threat but right when it looked like he was about to put things together he had the back injury.

Jake Voskhul was not a bad defender either.

 

[Finito]

Chambers used to do it for years. Blake Griffin doesn't really have a go to move.

Completely different players. Griffin is freakishly athletic that's his bread and butter. I consider Chambers a 3 much like a Durant tall and lanky

Love is a banger down inside and not exactly a bum athletically he can get up and down. He's strong as an ox and once he gets position you ain't gonna move him. Love is much more technically sound. He's like a young Duncan he just does everything right nothing fancy just right

 

[ProdigalSun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEnSiBWvRmU

 

[Zobaczcie suki]

Love spending 2 months in Boston. Shakes Rondo's hand at a Red Sox game and the twitterverse is a flutter. http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story...-love-minnesota-timberwolves-trip-fenway-park

 

[JCSunsfan]

Completely different players. Griffin is freakishly athletic that's his bread and butter. I consider Chambers a 3 much like a Durant tall and lanky



Love is a banger down inside and not exactly a bum athletically he can get up and down. He's strong as an ox and once he gets position you ain't gonna move him. Love is much more technically sound. He's like a young Duncan he just does everything right nothing fancy just right

He is shorter than Duncan, not nearly the defender Duncan is, and more of an outside player.

He is probably closer to Larry Bird than he is to Duncan.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

For Love the Suns should give up their first rd picks + anybody Minny wants EXCEPT The Dragon and possibly Goodwin. Build the team around those three and we'll have a real future.

 

[slinslin]

For Love the Suns should give up their first rd picks + anybody Minny wants EXCEPT The Dragon and possibly Goodwin. Build the team around those three and we'll have a real future.

if that happened we would basically be the new Timberwolves.

Tankfully Eric Bledsoe won't be traded and can't be traded.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

if that happened we would basically be the new Timberwolves.

Tankfully Eric Bledsoe won't be traded and can't be traded.

Eric should be if possible, which could happen in a sign and trade? IMO he's damaged goods turnover machine. He could be reigned in abit and made to be less selfish with the ball, especially driving with reckless abandon since he's young. But, Dragic is the real deal. Put him with Love, could be the best tandem in the NBA.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Eric should be if possible, which could happen in a sign and trade? IMO he's damaged goods turnover machine. He could be reigned in abit and made to be less selfish with the ball, especially driving with reckless abandon since he's young. But, Dragic is the real deal. Put him with Love, could be the best tandem in the NBA.

better then Durant/Westbrook...or Paul/Griffin...or Lillard/Aldridge...or Duncan/Parker...or LeBron/Anyone...no way. Those two wouldn't come close to any of those guys for defensive purposes alone. Hell, I think it's arguable that Harden/Howard and Z-Bo/Gasol is a better one two punch then those two would be.

 

[slinslin]

Eric should be if possible, which could happen in a sign and trade? IMO he's damaged goods turnover machine. He could be reigned in abit and made to be less selfish with the ball, especially driving with reckless abandon since he's young. But, Dragic is the real deal. Put him with Love, could be the best tandem in the NBA.

No he can't.

And Bledsoe selfish? Really...

Dragic is not better than Bledsoe. Sure offensively he is more advanced (and older) but defensively the difference between Bledsoe and Draigc is at least as big.

We are not letting Bledsoe go, he is legitimate borderline allstar 2-way player that is hard to find.

 

[Chaplin]

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Isn't there an old rule on this board to never, ever, EVER write or speak this man's name?

Cheese, help me out here.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Isn't there an old rule on this board to never, ever, EVER write or speak this man's name?

Cheese, help me out here.

haha...I don't remember that, but it sounds plausible. Personally, I think there should be a board rule to never mention Joe Klein since he completely destroyed Barkley's last legit shot at a title here when he rolled Danny Manning's knee off in practice midway through a season where we were on pace for 64 wins and a multiple titles. man...that injury just killed that team.

 

[Finito]

I would take Love/Dragic over Paul/Griffin and Duran/Westbrook any day. I'm not high on Griffin at all and Durant and Westbrook for all the natural talent between those two there games don't compliment each other at all. They had the one year they made it to the finals but they weren't competitive with the Heat at all and these last two years they weren't really competitive with the Spurs. There close but so far away.

Duncan might be gone after this year if they win it all but they have been amazing him and Parker are both hall of famers. Lillard/Aldridge are indeed awesome and should contend for years.

Dragic and Love would compliment each other perfectly. Love is a tremendous passer those little give and goes the pick and roll would be damn near unstoppable. Love is a decent defender he's not Steve Nash on defense by any means he is strong and holds his position very well you don't rack up rebounding number like that by not being physical. If you take Love and his offensive game and you make him a great defender than your talking about a player that would be legendary.Guess what suns fans that guy ain't out there your gonna die waiting.

Bledsoe is no way a better player than Dragic. Bledsoe is a better defender let me know the last dominate defensive minded point guard to win a championship? Ill wait can he defend Lebron? KD? ZBO? Aldridge? oh that's right no why? Because he's tiny save me the whole pressure on the ball argument. Bledsoe has played 4 years in the NBA and in two of those years had to miss half a season because of injury no thank you. You keep Dragic for the long haul if it comes down to it

 

[Superbone]

Isn't there an old rule on this board to never, ever, EVER write or speak this man's name?

Cheese, help me out here.

I know we had that rule on phxsuns.net about he who should not be named.

 

[SirStefan32]

I thought the rule was about someone else falling into someone else's knee?

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

I would take Love/Dragic over Paul/Griffin and Duran/Westbrook any day. I'm not high on Griffin at all and Durant and Westbrook for all the natural talent between those two there games don't compliment each other at all. They had the one year they made it to the finals but they weren't competitive with the Heat at all and these last two years they weren't really competitive with the Spurs. There close but so far away.

Duncan might be gone after this year if they win it all but they have been amazing him and Parker are both hall of famers. Lillard/Aldridge are indeed awesome and should contend for years.

Dragic and Love would compliment each other perfectly. Love is a tremendous passer those little give and goes the pick and roll would be damn near unstoppable. Love is a decent defender he's not Steve Nash on defense by any means he is strong and holds his position very well you don't rack up rebounding number like that by not being physical. If you take Love and his offensive game and you make him a great defender than your talking about a player that would be legendary.Guess what suns fans that guy ain't out there your gonna die waiting.

Bledsoe is no way a better player than Dragic. Bledsoe is a better defender let me know the last dominate defensive minded point guard to win a championship? Ill wait can he defend Lebron? KD? ZBO? Aldridge? oh that's right no why? Because he's tiny save me the whole pressure on the ball argument. Bledsoe has played 4 years in the NBA and in two of those years had to miss half a season because of injury no thank you. You keep Dragic for the long haul if it comes down to it

^EXACTLY!

 

[BC867]

^EXACTLY!

I second that emotion!

 

[JCSunsfan]

Bledsoe is no way a better player than Dragic. Bledsoe is a better defender let me know the last dominate defensive minded point guard to win a championship? Ill wait can he defend Lebron? KD? ZBO? Aldridge? oh that's right no why? Because he's tiny save me the whole pressure on the ball argument. Bledsoe has played 4 years in the NBA and in two of those years had to miss half a season because of injury no thank you. You keep Dragic for the long haul if it comes down to it

Rajon Rondo.

Good grief. When did the last team win a championship WITHOUT a dominant two-way star player? You cannot win a championship without a dominant two-way player. LeBron, Duncan, Garnett, Kobe, and so on. It is hard to find a championship team ever that did not have a star that was not great on both ends of the floor. It can be a guard or a big man.



I like both players, but they are really close. The only thing Dragic has over Bledsoe is that he has had less injuries. Yes, Bledsoe is a risk, but Dragic isn't enough either. All you have to do is look at the Suns record with and without Bledsoe last year. This is a .500 team without Bledsoe. This was a good defensive team with him and a horrible defensive team without him.

Trade Bledsoe and keep Dragic, and you are playing it safe. You'll be good but never great.
Trade Dragic and keep Bledsoe, you are swinging for the fences. You could be great, but could lose everything (injury).
Keep both and you're brilliant.

 

[Mainstreet]

Rajon Rondo.

Good grief. When did the last team win a championship WITHOUT a dominant two-way star player? You cannot win a championship without a dominant two-way player. LeBron, Duncan, Garnett, Kobe, and so on. It is hard to find a championship team ever that did not have a star that was not great on both ends of the floor. It can be a guard or a big man.



I like both players, but they are really close. The only thing Dragic has over Bledsoe is that he has had less injuries. Yes, Bledsoe is a risk, but Dragic isn't enough either. All you have to do is look at the Suns record with and without Bledsoe last year. This is a .500 team without Bledsoe. This was a good defensive team with him and a horrible defensive team without him.

Trade Bledsoe and keep Dragic, and you are playing it safe. You'll be good but never great.
Trade Dragic and keep Bledsoe, you are swinging for the fences. You could be great, but could lose everything (injury).
Keep both and you're brilliant.

How good would the Suns have been if the situation had been reversed last season, Dragic injured and Bledsoe healthy? I'm not sure if the Suns would have been a .500 team.

 

[Finito]

Rajon Rondo.

Good grief. When did the last team win a championship WITHOUT a dominant two-way star player? You cannot win a championship without a dominant two-way player. LeBron, Duncan, Garnett, Kobe, and so on. It is hard to find a championship team ever that did not have a star that was not great on both ends of the floor. It can be a guard or a big man.



I like both players, but they are really close. The only thing Dragic has over Bledsoe is that he has had less injuries. Yes, Bledsoe is a risk, but Dragic isn't enough either. All you have to do is look at the Suns record with and without Bledsoe last year. This is a .500 team without Bledsoe. This was a good defensive team with him and a horrible defensive team without him.

Trade Bledsoe and keep Dragic, and you are playing it safe. You'll be good but never great.
Trade Dragic and keep Bledsoe, you are swinging for the fences. You could be great, but could lose everything (injury).
Keep both and you're brilliant.

It was defensive point guard. In about 25 years I can name Isiah Thomas, Chauncey Billups and Rondo. Now those guys also played on defensive minded teams especially in Detroit with Mahorn, Rodman, Lambier, Ben Wallace,Prince.

So in 25 years there have been 3 and each time the PG wasn't even the best defender on the team. A defensive minded point guard in not the position I would want my best defender to be I want a really great defensive big man or a lanky wing player. No one is saying you don't need defense is just at PG I don't really put defense as a premium.



By the way there is nothing safe about Dragic the guy is a stud you had guys all over ESPN and Fox taking about how he should be top 5 in MVP voting this year. Bill Simmons, Mike Wilbon among others. Your acting he's some slightly above average player when in reality he is damn good

 

[Cheesebeef]

It was defensive point guard. In about 25 years I can name Isiah Thomas, Chauncey Billups and Rondo. Now those guys also played on defensive minded teams especially in Detroit with Mahorn, Rodman, Lambier, Ben Wallace,Prince.

So in 25 years there have been 3 and each time the PG wasn't even the best defender on the team. A defensive minded point guard in not the position I would want my best defender to be I want a really great defensive big man or a lanky wing player. No one is saying you don't need defense is just at PG I don't really put defense as a premium.

well, in your scenario, with Dragic and Love we'd have below average defenders at both PG AND the Big Man position. That's not a good combo, IMO.

 

[Cheesebeef]

How good would the Suns have been if the situation had been reversed last season, Dragic injured and Bledsoe healthy? I'm not sure if the Suns would have been a .500 team.

well, with the tables reversed, we weren't a .500 team with Dragic healthy and Bledsoe injured, so i'm not sure what that tells you except that with BOTH we were pretty good.

 

[Finito]

well, in your scenario, with Dragic and Love we'd have below average defenders at both PG AND the Big Man position. That's not a good combo, IMO.

Omg you know what your totally right I never thought of it like that. Maybe we should focus on trading for a young Kareem Abdul Jabaar. I think that would be better than trading for a dominate offensive big man who might be average defensively and maybe finding really good defensive role players.

Keep waiting for that perfect player they come along once every 10-15 years

 

[Cheesebeef]

Omg you know what your totally right I never thought of it like that. Maybe we should focus on trading for a young Kareem Abdul Jabaar.

jeez man...really? someone can't point out an opposing POV with you responding with this?

I think that would be better than trading for a dominate offensive big man who might be average defensively and maybe finding really good defensive role players.

Keep waiting for that perfect player they come along once every 10-15 years

I'd rather not make a move just to make a move, especially if we have to subtract from a 48 win team to do it. Love is a very good player, but I think a 1-2 punch of Dragic/Love just doesn't come close to making us a title contender. It makes us a perenial 6 seed, IMO and i've seen enough Suns teams like that.