What's the Rationale for Drafting Te'o?

[Chopper0080]

Over 170 yards allowed each of the last 3 games is not respectable.

When teams get a ahead and are able to grind at your defense all game with the running game, those yards become a bit skewed. Just like our pass yards per game are a bit skewed as well because teams don;t put the ball in the air as much because of our pass rush.

Facts are teams run the ball at the end of games when they are ahead to win. If you are playing with the lead, it is less of a worry. Also, when it comes down to it, I want to build a Super Bowl winning team. In order to win a Super Bowl you have to stop Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Tony Romo, Matt Stafford, Matt Ryan, Drew Brees & ect... I would much rather worry about stopping Steven Ridley, Willis McGahee, Alex Greene, Demarco Murray, Mikel Leshoure, Michael Turner, Mark INgram & ect over them. Rushing the passer > stopping the run.

 

[Gaddabout]

Draft talent and figure out how to use them later.

*shrug*

 

[DoTheDew]

I don't believe in BPA or need. I think you draft the guy which upgrades your team the most. If the BPA is a WR, we shouldn't draft him over a really good QB, OL, or pass rusher. If our biggest need is QB, we shouldn't reach for one if someone we believe has hall of fame talent and is an instant starter for us is sitting there.

You either take what the draft gives you, or you move your picks around to get the guys you want where they are a good value. What you don't do is go into the draft thinking you'll only draft specific positions that you need, or that you'll blow your top pick on a guy who's not going to play for you just because he's the best player in the draft.

When it comes to Te'o, he is one of the best college ILBs there's ever been. I fully expect him to be a pro bowler in the NFL. He's also a huge upgrade over Paris I can't defend the run Lenon. Does that mean take him no matter what? Of course not. Does it mean we take him if certain players are gone when we're picking? Absolutely. Passing on him because we "need" a QB and then taking a QB no one thinks is any good would be Levi over Peterson all over again.

 

[DoTheDew]

Would upgrading simply to a League-average QB add 7 points per game to our offensive production? Absolutely. Without question. The idea that we need a "legit, top-rate QB" to contend for the playoffs is completely inane.

Conversely, taking a QB no one wants who's only going in the first round because the QBs in this draft are no good can set us back 3 years.

The only thing worse than drafting a player you don't need, is drafting a player you don't want.

 

[kerouac9]

Conversely, taking a QB no one wants who's only going in the first round because the QBs in this draft are no good can set us back 3 years.

The only thing worse than drafting a player you don't need, is drafting a player you don't want.

What is the scenario that happens that the team uses a first- or second-round pick on a quarterback that "no one wants"? How is a player drafted so highly that receives zero sponsorship by the front office or coaching staff?

Your argument bears zero connection to the idea that Mark Sanchez-level production would have this team in contention 13 games out of 16.

 

[slanidrac16]

Warmack teamed with Brown on the left side might actually be able to help us get 3 yards when we need 1. Add a quality center through free agency and let the rest of the roster fight for the right guard position.

Then we need to have the balls to trade up and get us a QB. Nassib, Smith, Wilson ...whoever they believe is our guy.

We will proceed to argue about whether that said Qb is worth it, but at least it would be a pro active attempt to get this qb situation back to respectable.

O-line and a mobile accurate throwing QB. Anything else unless we knock it out of the park in free agency would be insane.

P.S. If you don't want to draft Wormack then sign 2 o-linemen in free agency, but they would have to be top notch.

 

[Duckjake]

When teams get a ahead and are able to grind at your defense all game with the running game, those yards become a bit skewed. Just like our pass yards per game are a bit skewed as well because teams don;t put the ball in the air as much because of our pass rush.

Facts are teams run the ball at the end of games when they are ahead to win. If you are playing with the lead, it is less of a worry. Also, when it comes down to it, I want to build a Super Bowl winning team. In order to win a Super Bowl you have to stop Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Tony Romo, Matt Stafford, Matt Ryan, Drew Brees & ect... I would much rather worry about stopping Steven Ridley, Willis McGahee, Alex Greene, Demarco Murray, Mikel Leshoure, Michael Turner, Mark INgram & ect over them. Rushing the passer > stopping the run.

But that is not only what is happening. The Jets ran for over 170 yards and they weren't ahead until the 4th quarter and then they were only ahead by 4.

Lynch ran 20 yards for a TD when the score was 3-0.

The Bills ran for 165 yards and they were never ahead by more than 3.

If I added right Steven Jackson had around 90 yards rushing before the Rams got the lead with 10 minutes still left in the 3rd Q in game 2.

The last two seasons combined Adrian Peterson has rushed 51 times for 275 yards and 4 TDs! Oh wait he does that to everybody.

 

[kerouac9]

But that is not only what is happening. The Jets ran for over 170 yards and they weren't ahead until the 4th quarter and then they were only ahead by 4.

Lynch ran 20 yards for a TD when the score was 3-0.

The Bills ran for 165 yards and they were never ahead by more than 3.

If I added right Steven Jackson had around 90 yards rushing before the Rams got the lead with 10 minutes still left in the 3rd Q in game 2.

The last two seasons combined Adrian Peterson has rushed 51 times for 275 yards and 4 TDs! Oh wait he does that to everybody.

That's totally fair, Duck, but at the same time, just like teams stopped trying to avoid Patrick Peterson in the punting game, teams stopped trying to pretend like they were going to have to establish a lead. When our offense can only score 12 points per game, in the NFL that's basically spotting your opponents 10 points at the beginning.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Warmack teamed with Brown on the left side might actually be able to help us get 3 yards when we need 1. Add a quality center through free agency and let the rest of the roster fight for the right guard position.

Then we need to have the balls to trade up and get us a QB. Nassib, Smith, Wilson ...whoever they believe is our guy.

We will proceed to argue about whether that said Qb is worth it, but at least it would be a pro active attempt to get this qb situation back to respectable.

O-line and a mobile accurate throwing QB. Anything else unless we knock it out of the park in free agency would be insane.

P.S. If you don't want to draft Wormack then sign 2 o-linemen in free agency, but they would have to be top notch.

Sounds good to me. If you can trade down and pick up an additional selection and also get Warmack, all the better.

 

[Russ Smith]

What is the scenario that happens that the team uses a first- or second-round pick on a quarterback that "no one wants"? How is a player drafted so highly that receives zero sponsorship by the front office or coaching staff?

Your argument bears zero connection to the idea that Mark Sanchez-level production would have this team in contention 13 games out of 16.

I think it's because as Cardinal fans we all remember Kelly Stouffer.

Nobody got why we took him because it wasn't public yet that Lomax had a hip issue. In fact the "rumor" on ESPN was that Stouffer had some mystery injury and teams had pulled him off their draft board. That was completely false it was Lomax and the Cards knew they would eventually need a QB so they picked the highest ranked (on their board).

I don't see us pulling a pick like that but if we took Barkley in round 1 because we need a QB over Te"O I'd be pretty annoyed. and I actually like Barkley, I just don't think he's a first rounder.

 

[52brandon]

My draft comes down to QB/OG or OG/QB in the first two rounds unless something spectacular happens

I'm with you there. But there are other options as well. I really like the idea of picking up Alex Smith in the offseason. You can tell he doesn't like what's happening in SF, and his best way for revenge is to go to a division rival. Not to mention that he would make an immediate impact here. Plus it would free up our options in the draft, allowing us to acquire more impact players and really make a good run for the playoffs next year

 

[Bodha]

If hes the BPA, then thats the rationale.



Drafting by need is how got Levi.


Odds are, he wont be the BPA at 5-7, so no worrys.

 

[52brandon]

If hes the BPA, then thats the rationale.



Drafting by need is how got Levi.


Odds are, he wont be the BPA at 5-7, so no worrys.

Levi was supposed to be way better though. If he was as good as he was supposed to be, drafting for need would have been fine

 

[WildBB]

Is adding Manti Te'o going to make the difference of a touchdown per game allowed? Of course not.

So what's the argument for drafting him for this team right now other than "****!!! MANTI TE'O IS TEH AWESOME SAUCE!!! BIRDGANG!!!"? I get that Paris Lenon is getting old,but there are going to be between 5-8 solid-or-better ILBs available in free agency.

Maybe not at first.

Who?

I'm all for taking the be(a)st impact player we can draft at 7-9. That may very well be Teo or Jarvis Jones or Geno Smith.

 

[Gaddabout]

I don't believe in BPA or need. I think you draft the guy which upgrades your team the most. If the BPA is a WR, we shouldn't draft him over a really good QB, OL, or pass rusher. If our biggest need is QB, we shouldn't reach for one if someone we believe has hall of fame talent and is an instant starter for us is sitting there.

You either take what the draft gives you, or you move your picks around to get the guys you want where they are a good value. What you don't do is go into the draft thinking you'll only draft specific positions that you need, or that you'll blow your top pick on a guy who's not going to play for you just because he's the best player in the draft.

When it comes to Te'o, he is one of the best college ILBs there's ever been. I fully expect him to be a pro bowler in the NFL. He's also a huge upgrade over Paris I can't defend the run Lenon. Does that mean take him no matter what? Of course not. Does it mean we take him if certain players are gone when we're picking? Absolutely. Passing on him because we "need" a QB and then taking a QB no one thinks is any good would be Levi over Peterson all over again.

Get that man a Mel Kiper wig! Stat!

 

[kerouac9]

Maybe not at first.

Who?

I'm all for taking the be(a)st impact player we can draft at 7-9. That may very well be Teo or Jarvis Jones or Geno Smith.

Rey Maualuga (CIN)
Erin Henderson (MIN)
Daryl Smith (JAC)
Chase Blackburn (NYG)
Justin Durant (DET)--scout him Sunday
Dannell Ellerbe (BAL)
Omar Gaither (OAK)
Will Witherspoon (TEN)

 

[Bodha]

Levi was supposed to be way better though. If he was as good as he was supposed to be, drafting for need would have been fine

He was supposed to be better isnt saying much considering hes horrible.


At the time and date he was drafted, Levi was a reach. He was sort of like when Seattle drafted Carpenter a few years back.

Im not complaining. I hate hearing the Adrian Peterson argument. It doesnt matter. Its over and done. But I do use it as a lesson to never draft via need again.

BPA 1st round forever and always. 2nd round on can be used for need if need be.

 

[52brandon]

He was supposed to be better isnt saying much considering hes horrible.


At the time and date he was drafted, Levi was a reach. He was sort of like when Seattle drafted Carpenter a few years back.

Im not complaining. I hate hearing the Adrian Peterson argument. It doesnt matter. Its over and done. But I do use it as a lesson to never draft via need again.

BPA 1st round forever and always. 2nd round on can be used for need if need be.

I'm not saying Levi was a good choice. But damn near every mock draft had him going top-10. If he was as good as expected, we would be in pretty good shape at the position right now. At least we weren't the Raiders and wasted the top overall pick on Jamarcus Russell

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Rey Maualuga (CIN)
Erin Henderson (MIN)
Daryl Smith (JAC)
Chase Blackburn (NYG)
Justin Durant (DET)--scout him Sunday
Dannell Ellerbe (BAL)
Omar Gaither (OAK)
Will Witherspoon (TEN)

Other than Ellerbe, those guys all play in a 4-3 scheme and we've all seen that it is no guarantee that they will transition over to a 3-4 very sucessfully. They may have played in a 3-4 scheme in the past though.

 

[football karma]

On Teo

Do you think you are getting Junior Seau, or do you think you are getting (let's say) Demeco Ryans?

If you think that there is Seau upside there -- it sure makes it easier to throw need away and take him. If you really think you are getting "only" a really good ILB who might make a pro bowl or two-- I am with K9. ( ditto for the take Warmack in the top ten discussion as well)

 

[JeffGollin]

I'm not saying Levi was a good choice. But damn near every mock draft had him going top-10. If he was as good as expected, we would be in pretty good shape at the position right now. At least we weren't the Raiders and wasted the top overall pick on Jamarcus Russell

The CW draft board at the time suggested a deep dropoff in talent between Joe Thomas and Levi.

There are certain threshholds in the skill-sets (at critical positions like QB, CB and LT) below which you're taking a risk when you draft these players too high. I believe Levi was one of those guys - he looked the part of a LT but he wasn't considered special or dominant in any area of LT play.

As for AP - the big issue at the time was that he was considered injury prone and therefore nearly as risky as Levi. As we all know, risk carries with it both an upside and downside. The dice came up quite favorably on Peterson/not so good on Levi. That's show biz.

Maybe the bottom line should have been that, at that point in where we were as a franchise, we could ill-advised to roll the dice on either AP or Levi because we had too many holes in the roster to fill to squander any high picks on risky prospects that might not pan out.

Or maybe the bottom line should have remained "no guts/no glory" - with the caveat that our FO had to be more sure-footed evaluating talent.

Dunno - makes for interesting debate.

 

[Bodha]

Im really excited for this draft, there are so many possibilities. If done properly, this could be one of the monument drafts where we pull 3-4 future cornerstones of this team.

13' is Deep on the Oline and ILB. How perfect is that?

One of the shallowest ive ever seen at QB, but oh well.


What Id give to be the Rams right now. That trade they made for RG3 has really set them up to improve. This is what Im talking about when I trash our FO and Management. The Rams model is how you improve a team. This previous offseason they just drastically improved their defense. This coming offseason, look for a total revamped offense. Theyll probably nab one of the top LTs and a WR (Robert Woods maybe) in the 1st and a few impact players in the 2nd as well.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I'm not saying Levi was a good choice. But damn near every mock draft had him going top-10. If he was as good as expected, we would be in pretty good shape at the position right now. At least we weren't the Raiders and wasted the top overall pick on Jamarcus Russell

Agreed, to compare him to how Carpenter was viewed is way off base

 

[Crazy Canuck]

If hes the BPA, then thats the rationale.



Drafting by need is how got Levi.


Odds are, he wont be the BPA at 5-7, so no worrys.

This from the guy who's suggesting a trade down scenario in another thread to, in effect, draft for need.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Im really excited for this draft, there are so many possibilities. If done properly, this could be one of the monument drafts where we pull 3-4 future cornerstones of this team.

13' is Deep on the Oline and ILB. How perfect is that?

One of the shallowest ive ever seen at QB, but oh well.


What Id give to be the Rams right now. That trade they made for RG3 has really set them up to improve. This is what Im talking about when I trash our FO and Management. The Rams model is how you improve a team. This previous offseason they just drastically improved their defense. This coming offseason, look for a total revamped offense. Theyll probably nab one of the top LTs and a WR (Robert Woods maybe) in the 1st and a few impact players in the 2nd as well.

I believe the Rams got a little too carried away and ended up in the draft with a lot of players who will be considered reaches as the guys they probably wanted got snagged in front of them right before they picked. Regardless of what one thinks of Floyd, the Rams wanted him and were visibly upset when we took him after all their moving back for picks. It does not matter how many picks you get when you do nothing with them you really believe in. I think it was the Redskins who won minus the picks because quantity does not matter compared to the quality of a QB like RGIII