What's the Rationale for Drafting Te'o?

[DoTheDew]

Your argument bears zero connection to the idea that Mark Sanchez-level production would have this team in contention 13 games out of 16.

Mark Sanchez caliber players can be had in free agency and trades. If you're going to spend a 1st round pick on a player, it's not someone you want to rent for a few years hoping to upgrade him A.S.A.P.

Frankly, there will be QBs in the 2nd and 3rd round who are better than what we've got and there will be FA QBs who end up as backups elsewhere who are better. All good reasons to not draft a QB in the 1st round simply because we need a QB.

 

[DoTheDew]

This from the guy who's suggesting a trade down scenario in another thread to, in effect, draft for need.

If trading down makes need and BPA match up it's the perfect thing to do, but it's always a gamble that you end up with another Pace/Johnson over Suggs scenario.

 

[Bodha]

This from the guy who's suggesting a trade down scenario in another thread to, in effect, draft for need.

BPa isnt blindly taking the biggest name. Take a clear cut 4-3 and force him into our system because he was the 'BPA'.

BPA is your BPA given your system. Why did the Rams trade away the RG3 pick? He was BPA. Because they have Bradford. Does that mean they drafted via need because they didnt take RG3? No. Drafting via BPA is not a strict science. There is strategy involved.

If Joeckle and Geno and JArvis and whoever else would be a good fit are gone, we cant just take Dee Milliner (CB from Bama) because hes the overall BPA. Hes not our BPA. Theres a big difference.

Matthews and Wamack would be our BPAs regardless of need if we had multiple 1st round picks. Both are enormous talents.

I believe the Rams got a little too carried away and ended up in the draft with a lot of players who will be considered reaches as the guys they probably wanted got snagged in front of them right before they picked. Regardless of what one thinks of Floyd, the Rams wanted him and were visibly upset when we took him after all their moving back for picks. It does not matter how many picks you get when you do nothing with them you really believe in. I think it was the Redskins who won minus the picks because quantity does not matter compared to the quality of a QB like RGIII

I agree.

I was pointing out what the Rams can do now based on the moves they made, not what they will do.

They went too far last year, trading back again and again. But with a good FO, they could make some big moves this year. Buts its an "If".

 

[52brandon]

This from the guy who's suggesting a trade down scenario in another thread to, in effect, draft for need.

Well yeah... I agree with him. You take BPA. But if you can arrange it to get your need at BPA and get something extra out of it, that's clearly the best scenario

 

[Goldfield]

I am all for BPA in the draft, but this O is so bad we need to target a QB and all new interior linemen and do what we have to do to get them. That means trade back or trade up what ever it takes. This team could still win games with this D so strong if we only had an average qb and average blocking up front.

 

[52brandon]

I am all for BPA in the draft, but this O is so bad we need to target a QB and all new interior linemen and do what we have to do to get them. That means trade back or trade up what ever it takes. This team could still win games with this D so strong if we only had an average qb and average blocking up front.

let's not check OT off that list just yet. I'm encouraged by their starts, but whether or not it keeps up is anybody's guess. Batiste looked good in the first couple games of the season. But I agree, I believe a top-rated guard and a good one (hopefully Kelemete can fit one of these spots, preferably the first) so it takes a little pressure off the draft. Looking back, this offseason will have been crucial. This is where the O comes together

 

[Bodha]

I am all for BPA in the draft, but this O is so bad we need to target a QB and all new interior linemen and do what we have to do to get them. That means trade back or trade up what ever it takes. This team could still win games with this D so strong if we only had an average qb and average blocking up front.

Who?

Saying we need a franchise QB doesnt make one available worth taking. (Thats my single most often typed sentence the past 2 weeks. I think Ill just put it in my sig)



I understand fans saying we need to go after a QB. But this is a hella weak QB class. Very very weak. Itd truly be a waste to burn a high value pick on a future backup. We could use those picks to solidfy this Oline.

I believe, with a good Oline, Kolb could be very serviceable. Wait until next year to get a franchise QB. It should be a very good QB draft class in 2014.

 

[Cardiac]

As someone else pointed out, if Te'o has the talent and leadership of Seau, Lewis, or Willis then he would definitely be worth the pick.

I'm not all in on Money ball so doing too much calculations on what positions are deemed more important and how much money should be allocated to each position isn't the end all be all for me.

Most if not all of us agree that while this D is very good it's not elite. Te'o could be the missing piece.

Flip side of the coin is that no matter how good this D is we won't win enough games without a major improvement on the offense. How many pieces are missing is the true debate.

What does our season look like if we did get Manning in the offseason? Would he even have survived the Batiste/Young debacle? If so is the Oline as it is today adequate enough for Manning to win games?

Knowing that Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Brees aren't coming to town how much does the rest of the O have to be improved?

 

[kerouac9]

Mark Sanchez caliber players can be had in free agency and trades. If you're going to spend a 1st round pick on a player, it's not someone you want to rent for a few years hoping to upgrade him A.S.A.P.

Frankly, there will be QBs in the 2nd and 3rd round who are better than what we've got and there will be FA QBs who end up as backups elsewhere who are better. All good reasons to not draft a QB in the 1st round simply because we need a QB.

Where do I say anywhere that we should use the first-round pick on a QB only? I like Chance Warmack, even in the top 10, as the best player available at #8 who will improve this team the most right now and moving forward.

Warmack, one of the OLBs, one of the tackles, and then T'eo would be the order of what would actually make this team better going forward.

 

[Chopper0080]

Where do I say anywhere that we should use the first-round pick on a QB only? I like Chance Warmack, even in the top 10, as the best player available at #8 who will improve this team the most right now and moving forward.

Warmack, one of the OLBs, one of the tackles, and then T'eo would be the order of what would actually make this team better going forward.

I agree with this. Warmack might be BPA and the biggest need we have depending on where we pick. The OLBs will be tempting IMO though they come with more risk. The tackles, specifically Joeckel and Matthews are just good players which make them interesting and Te'o is a low impact but safe player. QB is a need, but as I have said in other threads, the best value for me is trading back into the first round if we wanted to grab one.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Well yeah... I agree with him. You take BPA. But if you can arrange it to get your need at BPA and get something extra out of it, that's clearly the best scenario

Say what?

How do you get something extra if a BPA at a position of need is there when you contemplate your first pick?

BPA is not biggest name as Bodha says, but the BEST player available, which hopefully is at a position of immediate need. If someone makes you an offer you can't refuse for the slot, of course you consider moving down. However, short of this, not drafting the BPA at the slot is a recipe for mediocrity: You don't turn your back on talent. We did that once, passing on Suggs amongst others, and ended up with Johnson and Pace. And it may be news to Bodha, but, almost all inside linebackers coming out of College are from a 4-3 system.

 

[WildBB]

Matthews and Wamack would be our BPAs regardless of need if we had multiple 1st round picks. Both are enormous talents.

I really like them both. It would be sweet to wind up with Mathews and Warmack, Cooper or Barrett Jones. End of OL woes.

 

[52brandon]

Say what?

How do you get something extra if a BPA at a position of need is there when you contemplate your first pick?

BPA is not biggest name as Bodha says, but the BEST player available, which hopefully is at a position of immediate need. If someone makes you an offer you can't refuse for the slot, of course you consider moving down. However, short of this, not drafting the BPA at the slot is a recipe for mediocrity: You don't turn your back on talent. We did that once, passing on Suggs amongst others, and ended up with Johnson and Pace. And it may be news to Bodha, but, almost all inside linebackers coming out of College are from a 4-3 system.

yes, you trade down to where your need is the BPA, and get an extra pick out of it...

 

[Crazy Canuck]

yes, you trade down to where your need is the BPA, and get an extra pick out of it...

???

Read your original post. I responded to what you qrote, and that and this makes no sense. If you have a BPA that also is at a position of need when your pick comes up, there is no reason to trade down.

 

[52brandon]

???

Read your original post. I responded to what you qrote, and that and this makes no sense. If you have a BPA that also is at a position of need when your pick comes up, there is no reason to trade down.

huh? Alright, I'm partially brain-dead today, let me try to explain it better...

say we have the #4 pick, the biggest immediate impact player for US is supposed to go 10th. We are offered a trade of the #10 and #36 for our #4. Then we take our guy who fills a need, is the best player at that draft position, and gets us an extra pick. Rather than reaching for him with our higher pick to fill a need. Does that make sense? (lol, I may just re-try tomorrow. my brain is broked)

 

[Crazy Canuck]

huh? Alright, I'm partially brain-dead today, let me try to explain it better...

say we have the #4 pick, the biggest immediate impact player for US is supposed to go 10th. We are offered a trade of the #10 and #36 for our #4. Then we take our guy who fills a need, is the best player at that draft position, and gets us an extra pick. Rather than reaching for him with our higher pick to fill a need. Does that make sense? (lol, I may just re-try tomorrow. my brain is broked)

Ok - got it.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

The dead girlfriend thing was a hoax.

http://deadspin.com/5976517/manti-t...tory-of-the-college-football-season-is-a-hoax

Notre Dame

 

[crisper57]

The dead girlfriend thing was a hoax.

http://deadspin.com/5976517/manti-t...tory-of-the-college-football-season-is-a-hoax

Notre Dame

Holy crap. That kid is insane!!!

 

[Dayman]

The dead girlfriend thing was a hoax.

http://deadspin.com/5976517/manti-t...tory-of-the-college-football-season-is-a-hoax

Notre Dame

I was just about to make a thread about this. Craziest thing I've read in a while.

 

[JeffGollin]

Cool name.

 

[kerouac9]

The dead girlfriend thing was a hoax.

http://deadspin.com/5976517/manti-t...tory-of-the-college-football-season-is-a-hoax

Notre Dame

Wow. Thanks for sharing this. Really, really interesting.

 

[crisper57]

It gets weirder. Now it sounds like he was the victim of a "Catfish" scam.

(Had a 100% online relationship, never met the "girl" in person)

Which would explain why he didn't come forward when he found out.

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk
Notre Dame issues statement on Facebook regarding the Manti Te'o dead-girlfriend hoax, and they claim Te'o was the victim of the hoax.

I have first hand experience with this kind of hoax. Happened to a family member of mine. These scammers can really screw with their victims.

 

[Chopper0080]

wow

 

[Russ Smith]

Bizarre Deadspin story on Manti Te'O

http://deadspin.com/5976517/manti-t...tory-of-the-college-football-season-is-a-hoax


Honestly don't know if this is true or not but it's being picked up nationally.

 

[crisper57]

Vince Marotta ‏@Vincemarotta
Twitter can just stop now RT @jadande: Jeff Ireland is going to ask Manti Te'o if his fake dead girlfriend was a *****

Ugh.