Whisenhunt deserves praise

[Chopper0080]

OK.

Sounds good. I can see why you would have the opinion. At least up to "consistent contender", we are a loooooong way from that, IMO.

My opinion is, a lot of teams go through those sort of challenges. Because it is the Cardinals it makes it different ?

Again, I had my expectations of this year, based on the talent. I agree there has been an improvement over this year, and especially as of late, but that is coming from a vastly improved defense, and some amazing special teams.

If you want me to blindly pacify you all, and just wave the flag I can do that, but I don't feel it is justified. Unless you are asking me to praise Whiz as a symbol of the entire organization, then I would have no problem. But, Whiz himself as the Head Coach, and psuedo-OC ? Nope. He gets a handshake, a pass out of the doghouse, and a good job.

Just except it. I am not telling you all that I am right, and I am not telling you all that you have to change your minds about something. Just stating an opinion. Call me what you want for it, trust me, I don't care. It is my opinion, and I will stay true to it. It is a differing opinion gentlemen, get a grip.

I don't forget last year, and the beginning of this year very easily. Plus how many Cardinals teams can you remember showing "Great promise" at the end of a football season to come back even worse than you would imagine ? Sorry. Not buying into "In Whiz I trust" just yet.

Sidenote: The fact Kolb goes down, and Skelton comes in and wins is one of the reasons I do not praise Whiz. Kolb going down was a blessing for this team, and the record shows that to be true, whether you agree with the logic I use or not. Whiz was FORCED to play Skelton, and was forced a second time to play Skelton. Both times Skelton has won, and continues to win. What does that say about Whiz's ability to judge QB talent, which has ALWAYS been suspect with Whiz. I don't see losing Kolb as a challenge, but some really good luck that went Whiz's way.

I don't see how losing Dan Williams has slowed down our defense in the least.

Tell me the difference between Keith's play, and Bridges play, cause I don't see the difference.

Just sayin'.
Finally, what is most important, it seems most are very happy with our team right now, and that is very cool.

This is what I give credit to Whis for. Before him, this team never had the "next man up" philosophy. When we have lost players to injuries in the past, this team has crumbled. Now, we don't. We lose Toler, Patrick Peterson, AJ Jefferson and Richard Marshall step up. Dan Williams goes out for the year, Nick Eason locks it down. Kerry Rhodes is out for several games, no problem, we have Johnson and Marshall to combine for solid FS play. Our starting QB that we traded for and pinned our hopes on gets destroyed, no worries, Fordham will play well enough to win us games.

This never happened before Whis got here (or even arguably in his earlier years) but he has developed a mentally tough team. Did it take long, yup. But he still was the guy that developed that much needed mentility in our team and it is frustrating to hear people constantly hammer on his failures without acknowledging some of the very significant changes that he has brought to this franchise.

That's it, I'm done. Keep posting Rugby, your posts spark thought and debate which is what this board is built for.

 

[Stout]

Look, this argument can go on and on and on. Bottom line, the Whiz haters who called for his head this season just can't stand the fact that they were wrong. Those of us that preached patience & support are RIGHT, the Whiz haters are WRONG. Get over it & let's move on. We have a team to root for this weekend!

And there it is, in all caps. The 'we're RIGHT and you're WRONG' brigade. And people wonder why others take offense to that? Well, if KW hadn't made his adjustments, we'd probably be somewhere in the neighborhood of 3-11 right now, and those that had called for his head would be RIGHT instead of WRONG.

It really boils down to a simple dilemma. Aside from Rugby, who is perfectly entitled to his opinion, pretty much the entire board had been praising KW for weeks, because he HAD made all of those adjustments that were helping us to win. Instead of banding together and moving forward, some of the blind KW supporters insisted on throwing around blame, which is an inflammatory thing to do. Sad but true.

Why can't we simply say that KW made some mistakes early in the season, got criticized for it, made his adjustments, and is now reaping some much-deserved praise for it? Sounds pretty realistic and logical to me.

 

[PACardsFan]

And there it is, in all caps. The 'we're RIGHT and you're WRONG' brigade. And people wonder why others take offense to that? Well, if KW hadn't made his adjustments, we'd probably be somewhere in the neighborhood of 3-11 right now, and those that had called for his head would be RIGHT instead of WRONG.

It really boils down to a simple dilemma. Aside from Rugby, who is perfectly entitled to his opinion, pretty much the entire board had been praising KW for weeks, because he HAD made all of those adjustments that were helping us to win. Instead of banding together and moving forward, some of the blind KW supporters insisted on throwing around blame, which is an inflammatory thing to do. Sad but true.

Why can't we simply say that KW made some mistakes early in the season, got criticized for it, made his adjustments, and is now reaping some much-deserved praise for it? Sounds pretty realistic and logical to me.

Welcome back to the argument. I missed you! Look, there's nothing wrong with being wrong. I was WRONG back in 2008, because I thought Whiz should have gone with Leinart instead of Warner in the beginning of the season. There's no gray here on this issue. The anti-Whiz crowd was wrong. If you're offended by the truth, then that's your problem. What's up with this offended & inflammatory nonsense. Way too touchy feely words for a football forum.

 

[Zeno]

Welcome back to the argument. I missed you! Look, there's nothing wrong with being wrong. I was WRONG back in 2008, because I thought Whiz should have gone with Leinart instead of Warner in the beginning of the season. There's no gray here on this issue. The anti-Whiz crowd was wrong. If you're offended by the truth, then that's your problem. What's up with this offended & inflammatory nonsense. Way too touchy feely words for a football forum.

So you are saying Whisenhunt had ZERO blame for the 1-6 start? Thats ridiculous.

I'm with Stout when he said...

Why can't we simply say that KW made some mistakes early in the season, got criticized for it, made his adjustments, and is now reaping some much-deserved praise for it? Sounds pretty realistic and logical to me.

I started this thread as someone who was fed up with Whisenhunt early on this season but wanted to make sure he was given the praise due for holding the team together and turning it around.

 

[PACardsFan]

So you are saying Whisenhunt had ZERO blame for the 1-6 start? Thats ridiculous.

I'm with Stout when he said...



I started this thread as someone who was fed up with Whisenhunt early on this season but wanted to make sure he was given the praise due for holding the team together and turning it around.

Did I say that Whiz had ZERO blame for the 1-6 start?? I never said that. My beef was with those that demanded he be fired after that 1-6 start. My contention has always been that Whiz created more than enough goodwill by winning 2 NFC West titles, an NFC Conference Championship & a trip to the SB to even be considered on the hot seat after 1 1/2 seasons. This team had a humongous transition to make after Warner's retirement & Whiz deserved time to make that transition work. To listen to the constant day to day whining on this board became nauseating. Many long time posters left the forum due to this. My voice was one of patience. Had this team quit on him after that 1-6 start & the losing continued through next season, I would have gladly acquiesced.

If it was Ok for the Whiz haters to support his firing during the 1-6 start, then why isn't it Ok to point out that they were wrong?? Bottom line, I was fine with people criticizing him. I was not OK with those asking for his ouster.

 

[Stout]

Did I say that Whiz had ZERO blame for the 1-6 start?? I never said that. My beef was with those that demanded he be fired after that 1-6 start. My contention has always been that Whiz created more than enough goodwill by winning 2 NFC West titles, an NFC Conference Championship & a trip to the SB to even be considered on the hot seat after 1 1/2 seasons. This team had a humongous transition to make after Warner's retirement & Whiz deserved time to make that transition work. To listen to the constant day to day whining on this board became nauseating. Many long time posters left the forum due to this. My voice was one of patience. Had this team quit on him after that 1-6 start & the losing continued through next season, I would have gladly acquiesced.

If it was Ok for the Whiz haters to support his firing during the 1-6 start, then why isn't it Ok to point out that they were wrong?? Bottom line, I was fine with people criticizing him. I was not OK with those asking for his ouster.

Bottom line is that NO ONE was whining day to day anymore. All of the hard feelings and criticism had been left behind. If the KW apologists didn't come back out with an agenda of goofy revenge apology demanding, nothing would have been said about this. And I have said, clearly, that I am glad he was not fired, but you cannot have it in a vacuum. At the time KW had not made any adjustments, and showed no inclination to make adjustments. Well, as I and others didn't want to keep a stupid coach unwilling to bend to reality, we called for his firing. Circumstances CHANGED--you do understand that circumstances can CHANGE--and he went ahead and did what he should have done from the beginning of the season. So, yes, now we are glad he didn't get fired. Why did you feel like bringing it up when the board had universally shifted back to KW support, though?

Ya know, all of these arguments and headaches could have been averted if KW could have just done all of this from the START of the season.

 

[Duckjake]

Did I say that Whiz had ZERO blame for the 1-6 start?? I never said that. My beef was with those that demanded he be fired after that 1-6 start. My contention has always been that Whiz created more than enough goodwill by winning 2 NFC West titles, an NFC Conference Championship & a trip to the SB to even be considered on the hot seat after 1 1/2 seasons. This team had a humongous transition to make after Warner's retirement & Whiz deserved time to make that transition work. To listen to the constant day to day whining on this board became nauseating. Many long time posters left the forum due to this. My voice was one of patience. Had this team quit on him after that 1-6 start & the losing continued through next season, I would have gladly acquiesced.

If it was Ok for the Whiz haters to support his firing during the 1-6 start, then why isn't it Ok to point out that they were wrong?? Bottom line, I was fine with people criticizing him. I was not OK with those asking for his ouster.

Unlike you there are some of us that want to win. All the time, not just be happy because the team isn't as bad as it was in prior years. CKW was the HC when the Cards blew a 21 point lead to the Ravens. CKW was the HC when the team got steamrolled in SF. The Cards lost 6 straight games! 7 in a row last year. The only fans who ignore that kind of failure are suck ups who don't have the spine to call out the organization for the pitiful product they put on the field.

 

[40yearfan]

Did I say that Whiz had ZERO blame for the 1-6 start?? I never said that. My beef was with those that demanded he be fired after that 1-6 start. My contention has always been that Whiz created more than enough goodwill by winning 2 NFC West titles, an NFC Conference Championship & a trip to the SB to even be considered on the hot seat after 1 1/2 seasons. This team had a humongous transition to make after Warner's retirement & Whiz deserved time to make that transition work. To listen to the constant day to day whining on this board became nauseating. Many long time posters left the forum due to this. My voice was one of patience. Had this team quit on him after that 1-6 start & the losing continued through next season, I would have gladly acquiesced.

If it was Ok for the Whiz haters to support his firing during the 1-6 start, then why isn't it Ok to point out that they were wrong?? Bottom line, I was fine with people criticizing him. I was not OK with those asking for his ouster.

Open the wound and then pour salt in it. I couldn't have done better myself.

 

[Duckjake]

Open the wound and then pour salt in it. I couldn't have done better myself.

Where do we hang the 2011 Division Championship banner? Oh we won't win the Division? We probably won't even make the playoffs? Why is that? Because the Cards lost 6 of their first 7 games!

These are the same old Cardinals. Play themselves out of contention and then start to win once the pressure is off. They've done it for years. And people are congratulating them for it? Nuts.

 

[PACardsFan]

Unlike you there are some of us that want to win. All the time, not just be happy because the team isn't as bad as it was in prior years. CKW was the HC when the Cards blew a 21 point lead to the Ravens. CKW was the HC when the team got steamrolled in SF. The Cards lost 6 straight games! 7 in a row last year. The only fans who ignore that kind of failure are suck ups who don't have the spine to call out the organization for the pitiful product they put on the field.

There once was a very promising era in Cardinal history when a certain HC put together a few years of exciting football. Double digit wins 3 years in a row, but 0 playoff wins, 0 NFC Championships, 0 SB trips. The following year, he lost his last 4 games & one of them was a real ugly Thanksgiving day debacle. Please understand that 55-14 is more of a steamrolling than perhaps the 23-7 loss that you alluded to this year to San Fran. The last loss was to Tampa Bay, that had won 1 game in the last 2 seasons combined. We FIRED that coach. He went on to have a HOF career elsewhere. We proceeded to go 23-41 over the next 4 seasons. I'm sure if we traveled back in time, you would have certainly been part of the dump Coryell group. Maybe, just maybe, the Bidwill's learned from that mistake.

 

[Darkside]

This is what I give credit to Whis for. Before him, this team never had the "next man up" philosophy. When we have lost players to injuries in the past, this team has crumbled. Now, we don't. We lose Toler, Patrick Peterson, AJ Jefferson and Richard Marshall step up. Dan Williams goes out for the year, Nick Eason locks it down. Kerry Rhodes is out for several games, no problem, we have Johnson and Marshall to combine for solid FS play. Our starting QB that we traded for and pinned our hopes on gets destroyed, no worries, Fordham will play well enough to win us games.

This never happened before Whis got here (or even arguably in his earlier years) but he has developed a mentally tough team. Did it take long, yup. But he still was the guy that developed that much needed mentility in our team and it is frustrating to hear people constantly hammer on his failures without acknowledging some of the very significant changes that he has brought to this franchise.

That's it, I'm done. Keep posting Rugby, your posts spark thought and debate which is what this board is built for.

This is such an excellent post that it bears repeating.

 

[PACardsFan]

Bottom line is that NO ONE was whining day to day anymore. All of the hard feelings and criticism had been left behind. If the KW apologists didn't come back out with an agenda of goofy revenge apology demanding, nothing would have been said about this. And I have said, clearly, that I am glad he was not fired, but you cannot have it in a vacuum. At the time KW had not made any adjustments, and showed no inclination to make adjustments. Well, as I and others didn't want to keep a stupid coach unwilling to bend to reality, we called for his firing. Circumstances CHANGED--you do understand that circumstances can CHANGE--and he went ahead and did what he should have done from the beginning of the season. So, yes, now we are glad he didn't get fired. Why did you feel like bringing it up when the board had universally shifted back to KW support, though?

Ya know, all of these arguments and headaches could have been averted if KW could have just done all of this from the START of the season.

The only circumstances that changed were that at 1-6, we weren't executing at critical times in the games. We've since gone 6-1, because we are executing at critical times in the game. We were nowhere near as bad as 1-6, nor are we as good as 6-1. Whiz wasn't STUPID (your term) when we were 1-6, nor is he a genious now that we've gone 6-1. He's a very principled HC that stayed the course. Even at 1-6, this team didn't quit. That's the true measure of Whiz as a coach. Football is not as sophisticated as people want to think. You practice until you execute. You execute, you win!

 

[PACardsFan]

This is what I give credit to Whis for. Before him, this team never had the "next man up" philosophy. When we have lost players to injuries in the past, this team has crumbled. Now, we don't. We lose Toler, Patrick Peterson, AJ Jefferson and Richard Marshall step up. Dan Williams goes out for the year, Nick Eason locks it down. Kerry Rhodes is out for several games, no problem, we have Johnson and Marshall to combine for solid FS play. Our starting QB that we traded for and pinned our hopes on gets destroyed, no worries, Fordham will play well enough to win us games.

This never happened before Whis got here (or even arguably in his earlier years) but he has developed a mentally tough team. Did it take long, yup. But he still was the guy that developed that much needed mentility in our team and it is frustrating to hear people constantly hammer on his failures without acknowledging some of the very significant changes that he has brought to this franchise.

That's it, I'm done. Keep posting Rugby, your posts spark thought and debate which is what this board is built for.

Outstanding! Over the years, this franchise has NEVER been mentally tough. Even during our successful stints, the team would eventually fold under duress. We've had highly skilled teams from time to time, but never a mentally tough team. Even the SB team was not mentally tough enough to endure the last 2 minutes of the game. That's the difference between the perennial winners like Pittsburgh & New England and the flash in the pans. Great post!!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Welcome back to the argument. I missed you! Look, there's nothing wrong with being wrong. I was WRONG back in 2008, because I thought Whiz should have gone with Leinart instead of Warner in the beginning of the season. There's no gray here on this issue. The anti-Whiz crowd was wrong.

The Anti-Wiz people weren't just Anti-Wiz to be Anti-Wiz. They wanted to see him make changes... and what do you know... the second half, he did. Do you not see the difference in what's happened the second half of the season with changes on the D that everyone was screaming for? Or reigning in the offense to prevtn fewer turnovers which the doubters were advocating?

you're acting like wiz hasn't changed a thing and thus you're right for supporting him when the reality is we've completely adjusted the way we've played football the second half of the year.

and seriously... who gets off on saying "I'M RIGHT! YOU'RE WRONG!"

that being, I'll completely admit that I was THIS close to jumping off the Wiz ledge. After last year's disaster of epic proportions and the beginning of this year which had some MAJOR head-scratching moments, i was as close to calling for his head as anyone, but he has righted the ship and instilled a toughness back in this team that quite frankly, has been seen in a long time. This is the rebuilding year last year should have been. Next year, hopefully one of these QBs steps up to the plate and we come out guns blazing.

 

[PACardsFan]

The Anti-Wiz people weren't just Anti-Wiz to be Anti-Wiz. They wanted to see him make changes... and what do you know... the second half, he did. Do you not see the difference in what's happened the second half of the season with changes on the D that everyone was screaming for? Or reigning in the offense to prevtn fewer turnovers which the doubters were advocating?

you're acting like wiz hasn't changed a thing and thus you're right for supporting him when the reality is we've completely adjusted the way we've played football the second half of the year.

and seriously... who gets off on saying "I'M RIGHT! YOU'RE WRONG!"

that being, I'll completely admit that I was THIS close to jumping off the Wiz ledge. After last year's disaster of epic proportions and the beginning of this year which had some MAJOR head-scratching moments, i was as close to calling for his head as anyone, but he has righted the ship and instilled a toughness back in this team that quite frankly, has been seen in a long time. This is the rebuilding year last year should have been. Next year, hopefully one of these QBs steps up to the plate and we come out guns blazing.

I'm sure that all your screaming is what forced changes on the D. Please! The biggest change on the D was that the players started to have a better grasp of it. This argument is not about whether Whiz made or didn't make mistakes. I always said he was deserving of criticism during the 1-6 start. My beef (AGAIN) is that Whiz had created enough goodwill (2 NFC West Championships, NFC Conference Championship, SB trip, 4 playoff wins) that it was ridiculous for people on this board to call for his head. Those of us that supported Whiz had to listen to that venom week after week after week. Well, now the facts are in & the naysayers don't like the criticism that they once relished giving out.

 

[Stout]

I didn't realize that we were running max protection and extra protection schemes early in the season, in order to protect the QB that still, understandably, didn't know the offense. I didn't realize we had dialed down the offense because the QB didn't know the full offense. I didn't realize that KW had stopped calling a run-and-gun offense early in the season, and had decided to pound the rock more, because Kolb wasn't ready to open it up full-throttle in this offense. I didn't realize...oh wait, NONE OF THIS HAPPENED!!! I forgot that KW was too STUPID (yes, PA, stupid) to somehow realize that his QB wouldn't be ready to execute this offense to its full potential from day one, with almost no practice time and almost no time with the play book.

Face it--he stuck to his guns and refused to adjust. It nearly got Kolb killed, and ended up retarding the progress of our offense. Maybe, had we made these prudent offensive adjustments to START the season, we'd be in a fight with San Fran to win the division. We won't know, however, because KW was too stubborn to change, until it was almost too late. It may still be too late for us to make the playoffs.

 

[desertdawg]

I didn't realize that we were running max protection and extra protection schemes early in the season, in order to protect the QB that still, understandably, didn't know the offense. I didn't realize we had dialed down the offense because the QB didn't know the full offense. I didn't realize that KW had stopped calling a run-and-gun offense early in the season, and had decided to pound the rock more, because Kolb wasn't ready to open it up full-throttle in this offense. I didn't realize...oh wait, NONE OF THIS HAPPENED!!! I forgot that KW was too STUPID (yes, PA, stupid) to somehow realize that his QB wouldn't be ready to execute this offense to its full potential from day one, with almost no practice time and almost no time with the play book.

Face it--he stuck to his guns and refused to adjust. It nearly got Kolb killed, and ended up retarding the progress of our offense. Maybe, had we made these prudent offensive adjustments to START the season, we'd be in a fight with San Fran to win the division. We won't know, however, because KW was too stubborn to change, until it was almost too late. It may still be too late for us to make the playoffs.

The very first game of the season, we ran a 2 back set (this does not mean running 2 different backs during the course of a game, we are talking a full back (( or something else)) and a running back during the same play). I was dancing, we used the TEs (plural) in a good scheme as well. The panters were dishing out a lot of offense that day, but we had some of our own and I thought it was a sign to come.

That was back when we were thinking/worried about our defense being the problem. Our defense couldn't get to the QB, and our secondary was getting burned.

Kolb was taking blindside hits, sometimes while completing nice passes. O-line looked to be horrible on Kolb's blindside so I thought we would max protect with the TEs and the 2 back set. But the TEs got hurt and we didn't see much of the 2 backs in the backfield to pick up blitzes or disguise runs.

Times sure have changed, defense went bad ass and our offense is starting to learn the value of time of possession, which helps the defense even more. My crap-O-meter avatar is long gone, I'm rejuvinated with Whiz's new approach, espescially the way we dial it in, in the second half. Out coaching teams, protecting our QBs and coming back instead of squandering leads.

I hope we can let our defense run some "receiver drills", we've missed a gang of interceptions.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I may be one of the best employees my company has seen. My reward for my prior success is the position I have and the compensation I receive. However, if I don't continue to perform at a high level, then I will be removed.

It is that way everywhere. Your performance is under constant review and your past triumphs do not always speak louder than your current failures.

Coach Whisenhunt is no exception. Fortuntely for us, the organization held the same opinion of him as PACardsfan and heavily weighed on that past success. Had I been in charge, he would have been gone after week 6.

The reasons people were critical of him are no less valid than the praise he so richly deserves now. He adapted in the face of adversity and held this team together. In many ways, this season has been a bigger test of his abilities as a coach than the Super Bowl ever was.

 

[Paso Fino]

Memories are short. Anybody remember Max Hall? If Whiz is such a good judge of talent, why did he go with an undrafted, unqualified QB when games could have been used to develop Skelton. And we have suffered for a long time with a poor offensive line which recently is better but still is not very good. And as others have pointed out, young defensive players should have been given opportunities sooner. Let's not get carried away.

 

[cardsfanmd]

It's almost hard to believe that your brains can be this vacant. We are a better team now than we would be if Whiz had been fired, correct? That means firing him would have been wrong. This isn't quantum physics gentlemen. I'm out of here to go join Joeschmo, arizonasfinest, cardinal ken, cardsfanstl, and tj (just to name a few) who have grown weary of the idiocy that's taken over this board since skorpp's passing. Have fun with K-9's card-hating and smelly's nicknames.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

It's almost hard to believe that your brains can be this vacant. We are a better team now than we would be if Whiz had been fired, correct? That means firing him would have been wrong. This isn't quantum physics gentlemen. I'm out of here to go join Joeschmo, arizonasfinest, cardinal ken, cardsfanstl, and tj (just to name a few) who have grown weary of the idiocy that's taken over this board since skorpp's passing. Have fun with K-9's card-hating and smelly's nicknames.

Just because it would have been wrong to fire Whisenhunt, doesn't mean that it wasn't justified. A solid year and a half of greatly underachieving deserves some questioning at the very least.

I won't speak for anyone that has left. Speaking for myself, I have greatly reduced how much time I have spent on here for my own personal reasons.

 

[Stout]

It's almost hard to believe that your brains can be this vacant. We are a better team now than we would be if Whiz had been fired, correct? That means firing him would have been wrong. This isn't quantum physics gentlemen. I'm out of here to go join Joeschmo, arizonasfinest, cardinal ken, cardsfanstl, and tj (just to name a few) who have grown weary of the idiocy that's taken over this board since skorpp's passing. Have fun with K-9's card-hating and smelly's nicknames.

Had I been this insulting and denigrating to you (who cannot read and never debate the ACTUAL points--I could easily insult you for it), I'd have been banned a long time ago. You constantly whine about negativity, yet ignore it when people give you reasons why they USED TO complain about KW this season. Yes, USED TO, because next to no one has been critical about him recently. But, how dare we have EVER questioned the great KW, right? I mean, fans aren't allowed to do that.

I have, time and again, shown you how he failed to make adjustments early on in the season. DCR has done the same, and Chris made a perfectly succinct post about it on this thread. Instead of reading that and acknowledging it, you have to be 100 percent right, have to name call, and say people aren't fans. That's just the kind of class that drives people away from the board, hero.

You need to see the bench for a few days, but I'm not going to ask the mods to do that. It's Christmas this weekend, and I think that would be too callous, even for someone that deserves it as much as you do. So, go stew in your resentment for Christmas. I'm going to hang with the family, be glad that we're playing well, and enjoy it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

It's almost hard to believe that your brains can be this vacant. We are a better team now than we would be if Whiz had been fired, correct? That means firing him would have been wrong. This isn't quantum physics gentlemen. I'm out of here to go join Joeschmo, arizonasfinest, cardinal ken, cardsfanstl, and tj (just to name a few) who have grown weary of the idiocy that's taken over this board since skorpp's passing. Have fun with K-9's card-hating and smelly's nicknames.

man... what a baby.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

It's almost hard to believe that your brains can be this vacant. We are a better team now than we would be if Whiz had been fired, correct? That means firing him would have been wrong. This isn't quantum physics gentlemen. I'm out of here to go join Joeschmo, arizonasfinest, cardinal ken, cardsfanstl, and tj (just to name a few) who have grown weary of the idiocy that's taken over this board since skorpp's passing. Have fun with K-9's card-hating and smelly's nicknames.

Wow I thought I was highly complimentary and admitted I was wrong.

Maybe you are wanting to argue so much, you are missing the point.

 

[MrYeahBut]

not that it matters... but I'm still totally in. I just don't read the threads that have 'suck' in the title... don't particularly like the use of the word, other than that I can live with what goes on here. My opinion of things swings wildly from game to game because of my ADD/OCD so I try not to post too emotionally. I like reading stuff here, whether it's perceived as negative by others or not...it's just people's opinion, so I don't let it bother me...es un mero juego..... jmho