Whisenhunt says Kolb vs. Skelton

[CardLogic]

The Seattle pass wasnt tipped. He threw it straight into coverage. I recall a nice breakdown of how bad Kolb's pass was posted in a thread last year...

here it is.

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Nice disection. Who's work is that?

 

[Phrazbit]

Nice disection. Who's work is that?

Brock Huard. Played for UW, and bounced around the NFL holding clip-boards for 6 or 7 years.

He also calls college games for FSN and is waaaay better than most of the crap we get for ASU and Arizona, but unfortunately I think he covers the pac-10 games in the north west so we get stuck with Bob Popadopalopadis instead.

 

[JeffGollin]

Let me pose a question:

Which will get a coach fired faster: Getting management to invest a lot of money on a flop? Or ending the season with a losing record?

More to the point - Do you think the Cards would start Kolb over Skelton (due to the money issue) if they felt we'd win more games with Skelton as our QB?

 

[Stout]

Let me pose a question:

Which will get a coach fired faster: Getting management to invest a lot of money on a flop? Or ending the season with a losing record?

More to the point - Do you think the Cards would start Kolb over Skelton (due to the money issue) if they felt we'd win more games with Skelton as our QB?

The problem with those questions is that some people might think they'll convince themselves that Kolb gives them the better chance because of the money. I'm hoping that's not the case, and I don't think it is. I do think that Skelton will have to vastly outplay Kolb in the preseason, because Kolb will get the nod if it is in any way close.

 

[kerouac9]

Let me pose a question:

Which will get a coach fired faster: Getting management to invest a lot of money on a flop? Or ending the season with a losing record?

More to the point - Do you think the Cards would start Kolb over Skelton (due to the money issue) if they felt we'd win more games with Skelton as our QB?

I think the Cards traded for Kolb because they liked him more than Skelton, and paid him 30 times more for the same reason. The question is whether 8 games of poor performance is enough to change their minds after the way that they stuck their neck out for Kolb into the winter.

They didn't like Skelton enough two offseasons ago to develop him ahead of complete zero Mex Hall. They didn't like Skelton enough two seasons ago to give him the job after Derek Anderson got hurt and Hall was on IR. They didn't like Skelton enough to give him a chance to compete for the starting job last offseason. And they didn't like Skelton enough to name him the starter after going 6-2 last year and maybe saving the jobs of most of the assistant coaches.

So, I think the real question is, what would it take to convince the coaches that Skelton would give them a better chance to win than Kolb?

 

[Duckjake]

It may have been Skelton's inexperience that had the coaches holding him back. Now going into his 3rd season they may not be as concerned. They like him enough to trade up for him but then they draft a similar player this year.

Who knows if the Cards have a clue about QBs. They sure haven't displayed much acumen since Warner retired.

 

[CardLogic]

So, I think the real question is, what would it take to convince the coaches that Skelton would give them a better chance to win than Kolb?

Maybe, just maybe it takes this offseason and preseason...

 

[THESMEL]

well

Have you not heard? MATT LEINART was the problem, The team would not follow him and The coaches and GM wanted to go in THIS DIRECTION!

I have a clue, I'm pretty sure any other Offensive Coordinator, Head Coach or General Manager would have not done what ours have already done!
I'm pretty sure Parcells, Schottenheimer, Belicheck would not hang their careers on DA, Max Hall or John Skelton over Matt leinart. I'm pretty sure no GM would let them!

Matt leinart is better than Kolb- by bunches.

It may have been Skelton's inexperience that had the coaches holding him back. Now going into his 3rd season they may not be as concerned. They like him enough to trade up for him but then they draft a similar player this year.

Who knows if the Cards have a clue about QBs. They sure haven't displayed much acumen since Warner retired.

 

[Phrazbit]

Ken and Rod were hungry and they went to Chateau de Reid for dinner, the food turned out to be terrible but they are going to do their damnedest to fight their way through it because its damn expensive... but in the end they're probably swinging by McDonalds on the way home.

 

[JeffGollin]

. ..So, I think the real question is, what would it take to convince the coaches that Skelton would give them a better chance to win than Kolb?

There are 2 possible answers:

1. If Skelton outplays Kolb.

2. If the Cards feel they may have a problem winning with Kolb, but feel they have a better chance winning with Skelton.

(unasked question - what if they feel they can win with Kolb despite Skelton outplaying him. Unanswered answer: Dunno - I'd hope they'd go with the better player - period).

Once you roll the dice and spend the money, you don't look back (the money's been spent and you can't put the proverbial toothpaste back in the tube). You might as well take a deep breath and go with the best guy regardless.

 

[Bodha]

yeah right


Im sure when he said that it was like:

"KOLB vs. skelton"


bs. What will it take to show this FO that Skelton is clearly the better option. Guy is no Tom Brady, but he makes clutch throws when the time comes.

 

[kerouac9]

There are 2 possible answers:

1. If Skelton outplays Kolb.

2. If the Cards feel they may have a problem winning with Kolb, but feel they have a better chance winning with Skelton.

(unasked question - what if they feel they can win with Kolb despite Skelton outplaying him. Unanswered answer: Dunno - I'd hope they'd go with the better player - period).

Once you roll the dice and spend the money, you don't look back (the money's been spent and you can't put the proverbial toothpaste back in the tube). You might as well take a deep breath and go with the best guy regardless.

Kolb: 2-6 as a starter
Skelton: 6-2 as a starter

Have these two criteria not already been fulfilled?

I know that there are those here who don't believe it, but there's a lot of ego involved in the NFL, coaching and front office. Ken Whisenhunt sat John Skelton for nearly half a season and chose instead to go with Max Hall (Max Hall!), whom he talked up to Peter King and anyone else who would listen. Max Hall! And the sheeple on this board happily followed him along about how everyone in the NFL missed on Max Hall, that he was a firey leader who would prove all the doubters wrong.

And, for fun, here's Dan Bickley, the biggest idiot in Arizona sports, sounding like Tango writing Max Hall's obituary: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/car...0824max-hall-arizona-cardinals-qb-waived.html

Can't believe this didn't get posted somewhere.

 

[Duckjake]

Kolb: 2-6 as a starter
Skelton: 6-2 as a starter

Have these two criteria not already been fulfilled?

I know that there are those here who don't believe it, but there's a lot of ego involved in the NFL, coaching and front office. Ken Whisenhunt sat John Skelton for nearly half a season and chose instead to go with Max Hall (Max Hall!), whom he talked up to Peter King and anyone else who would listen. Max Hall! And the sheeple on this board happily followed him along about how everyone in the NFL missed on Max Hall, that he was a firey leader who would prove all the doubters wrong.

And, for fun, here's Dan Bickley, the biggest idiot in Arizona sports, sounding like Tango writing Max Hall's obituary: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/car...0824max-hall-arizona-cardinals-qb-waived.html

Can't believe this didn't get posted somewhere.

Bickley stole that from me. I must have posted 20 times that Hall was too small for the NFL and was going to get seriously hurt if he kept playing.

 

[52brandon]

Kolb: 2-6 as a starter
Skelton: 6-2 as a starter

Have these two criteria not already been fulfilled?

I know that there are those here who don't believe it, but there's a lot of ego involved in the NFL, coaching and front office. Ken Whisenhunt sat John Skelton for nearly half a season and chose instead to go with Max Hall (Max Hall!), whom he talked up to Peter King and anyone else who would listen. Max Hall! And the sheeple on this board happily followed him along about how everyone in the NFL missed on Max Hall, that he was a firey leader who would prove all the doubters wrong.

And, for fun, here's Dan Bickley, the biggest idiot in Arizona sports, sounding like Tango writing Max Hall's obituary: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/car...0824max-hall-arizona-cardinals-qb-waived.html

Can't believe this didn't get posted somewhere.

Moxie only goes so far

 

[JeffGollin]

Kolb: 2-6 as a starter
Skelton: 6-2 as a starter

Have these two criteria not already been fulfilled?.

No. It's a new season within the context of a different reality. (Because of the lockout, both QB's merit an "incomplete").

Neither QB could be considered "on-fire" last season but will have the opportunity to compete at full-max this season.

Regarding the W & L comparison, you might want to consider the following "woulda": If either QB had played all 16 games last season, what would our overall record have been? (While unlikely, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that we still would have wound up 8 & 8).

 

[Mainstreet]

In regard to the article referenced written by Dan Bickley about Hall, I couldn't help but think about Kolb, whether he worries about getting the "haze" back in his eyes again and the "heart" to continue.

 

[kerouac9]

No. It's a new season within the context of a different reality. (Because of the lockout, both QB's merit an "incomplete").

Neither QB could be considered "on-fire" last season but will have the opportunity to compete at full-max this season.

Regarding the W & L comparison, you might want to consider the following "woulda": If either QB had played all 16 games last season, what would our overall record have been? (While unlikely, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that we still would have wound up 8 & 8).

Kolb was getting worse and worse and worse as the season went on. It's not beyond imagining that the Cards would've been 4-12 at the end of the year when the entire team quits on the Designated Savior. The entire offensive staff gets fired instead of just the QBs coach, and Whis gets stripped of his personnel authority and someone from outside the facility gets named VP Pro Personnel.

 

[Phrazbit]

Kolb was getting worse and worse and worse as the season went on. It's not beyond imagining that the Cards would've been 4-12 at the end of the year when the entire team quits on the Designated Savior. The entire offensive staff gets fired instead of just the QBs coach, and Whis gets stripped of his personnel authority and someone from outside the facility gets named VP Pro Personnel.

Its pretty clear the season was on the brink at one point. The fans and sports talk people were calculating our "Luck sweepstake" odds and Whiz was holding back tears, like a man spared from the gallows after Peterson's return against St Louis.

They way the team went down against Baltimore and with how horrific Kolb was in that game it is not hard to imagine that a loss the following week against the lowly Rams would have put the team into an unrecoverable spiral.

 

[CardLogic]

Bickley stole that from me. I must have posted 20 times that Hall was too small for the NFL and was going to get seriously hurt if he kept playing.

Bickley regularly uses stuff from AFSN to generate content for his articles and radio program. There have been many times when I have read something on ASFN, only to later hear Bickley and Jurecki discuss the same points on the radio.

 

[joeshmo]

yeah right

Im sure when he said that it was like:

"KOLB vs. skelton"


bs.

How BS is it? If only 2 days of OTA's have anything to say about it per Jurecki reports Skelton and Kolb are splitting starters reps 50-50.