Whisenhunt - Titans New Coach

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

More evidence of Whis's poor decision making. He could've brought Ray Horton with him to Detroit and had a legitimate shot at a Superbowl. Methinks he got turned off by the Lions having Stafford in the decision making process. We all know how he feels about many QBs.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

This quote from the Titans board made me nearly spit out my beer...

"Russ Grimm would be a huge, huge, HUGE upgrade over Bruce Matthews."

LMFAO!!!!

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

First thing that went through my mind when I heard this was, is he bringing Grimm with him? The Titans actually have some talent on the Oline. Will Grimm ruin it or make it work?

Well, I guess this stint will prove once and for all if it was the Coaches (Whis and Grimm) or the GM (Graves) or a horrible concoction of the triumvirate.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Man those Titans fans are giddy.

http://www.gotitans.com/threads/titans-hire-ken-whisenhunt.90809/

All this talk about "adjustments", "Grimm", "Cards had 4 worst QB's in the past decade, he can develop talent", etc...oh many, good luck Titans fans...enjoy the ride.

The will learn the ways of the WhisenPunt Offense soon enough.

 

[NJCardFan]

Congratulations Titans. You now are the proud owners of an unflavored non-fat frozen yogurt offense.

 

[Shane]

More evidence of Whis's poor decision making. He could've brought Ray Horton with him to Detroit and had a legitimate shot at a Superbowl. Methinks he got turned off by the Lions having Stafford in the decision making process. We all know how he feels about many QBs.

Considering Whiz prefers a 3-4 D and Horton is a 3-4 DC and Detroit isn't set up for that could be a big part of the decision making as well

 

[sunsfan88]

Whisenhunt had 3 interviews prior to the game. He interviewed with the Lions on Thursday, Titans on Friday and the Browns on Saturday.

A former NFL HC talks about how that could have affected the Chargers on Sunday and he says that he wouldn't allow any coach to interview THREE times prior to a playoff game. And then someone else says "I know HCs in the league who won't allow even one team to interview while their season is still alive"

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-netwo...enhunt-s-coaching-search-causing-distractions

I can't see Bellichek, Harbuagh or Carroll allowing 3 interviews prior to a playoff game.

 

[Proteus]

Seriously? Whiz going to a place with no qb and bringing Grimm along with him again seems like a very bad/crazy idea.

I hope he does well but I see him getting fired after two to three seasons.

 

[Covert Rain]

If management supports him he will do great things there IMO.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

The Titans have one thing in common with the Cards. Maybe that is what swayed him.

 

[PDXChris]

Considering Whiz prefers a 3-4 D and Horton is a 3-4 DC and Detroit isn't set up for that could be a big part of the decision making as well

Just read on twitter that Detroit ownership said no to his desire that switch the defense to a 3-4 and no to Horton for that reason. That was the deal breaker.

 

[Shane]

Just read on twitter that Detroit ownership said no to his desire that switch the defense to a 3-4 and no to Horton for that reason. That was the deal breaker.

Sounds about right. Sounds like Detroit didn't do their due diligence on Whiz before looking into him.

 

[THESMEL]

yes

Lets see how Mike Miller does in Tennessee? Sorry dude but Whiz's staff hires was a joke - Mcnulty is going with him- I mean I have some fondness for Whiz and our SB and playoff team- I was the most critical fan the earliest- Like when we collapsed in the 2nd half of the SB season.

His new contract gave him too much power over players, yes he earned it -than he abused it! The lack of running the ball - was like screeching on a blackboard too me. Benching edge, paying McFadden, Porter and Gay- while he brought in 50+ players after the 2010 season.

Not once did he accept blame - He blamed players while he passed my Cards to death 70% of the time over 5 years! the times he did say -WE needed to run more usually ended with less carries the next game. HE HAS NEVER WATCHED THAT SUPER BOWL OR 09 PLAYOFF LOSS- refuses to watch the product he provided to this world! IN OUR NAME!

but most of all it was the cut throat way he treated decent guys- and then the favorite pets he kissed that remained frogs- very few players survived his steward ship - just who in the hell did he make better over time?

Hell he needs kicked in the nuts for hiring Mike Miller at OC- that was almost as stupid as cutting Leinart for DA, Hall and Skelton, or benching Edge for THT or

Do you remember his rookie year as a head coach? We had to get Tim H and Tim R off the couch when Kurt and Leinart got hurt in a 2 QB system- kept 2 QB's and 6 TE's!!!!! Sorry I don't forget so easy- stupid is as stupid does- He has ties to the Titan's area and it is much closer to his Atlanta-

after the 10th QB dying and ruined as a Card qB under his watch- I can't blame it all on Leinart- and Levi Brown like Whiz and others seem too!

Lol
The hate here for Wiz is just mind boggling. He coached us to the greatest season in Big Red history & people still bash him. Yes, he had a hand in its downfall but we've moved on with new blood...almost every coach is hired to be fired at some point & when you don't have a big time QB the HC is gonna sink with the ship, in which he did.

I do agree that he should've taken the Lions job, but who's to say it was gonna be available because I'm pretty sure he wasn't offered it.

 

[Cardiac]

Heard on ESPN that Whiz was the first piece to the puzzle in what would happen with HC hires this year. In other words Whiz was the top candidate and after he made his decision the rest of the teams could scramble to find their HC.

Once again I will say, SMH from some very jerk like fans. Whiz was the best HC the Cards have ever had to hating on him or cheap shots etc. are the definition of being a ignorant jerk.

 

[NJCardFan]

Heard on ESPN that Whiz was the first piece to the puzzle in what would happen with HC hires this year. In other words Whiz was the top candidate and after he made his decision the rest of the teams could scramble to find their HC.

Once again I will say, SMH from some very jerk like fans. Whiz was the best HC the Cards have ever had to hating on him or cheap shots etc. are the definition of being a ignorant jerk.

Really? IMO had Warner not had a resurgence, Whiz's name would be up there with Dave McGinnis in terms of ineptitude. The man's offense is so vanilla that I could game plan him from my couch. A guy I work with is a Charger fan and even he was growing tired of Whiz's "run, run, pass, punt" offense on Sunday. Using your logic, I should really love Charlie Manuel because he brought the Phillies a World Championship when in reality the way that team bashed the ball and scored runs, a trained chimp could have coached that team to a title.

 

[Shane]

Really? IMO had Warner not had a resurgence, Whiz's name would be up there with Dave McGinnis in terms of ineptitude. The man's offense is so vanilla that I could game plan him from my couch. A guy I work with is a Charger fan and even he was growing tired of Whiz's "run, run, pass, punt" offense on Sunday. Using your logic, I should really love Charlie Manuel because he brought the Phillies a World Championship when in reality the way that team bashed the ball and scored runs, a trained chimp could have coached that team to a title.

That same Whiz offense that took the chargers from 26th in total offense to 9th? Turned their QB back into a very good NFL starter instead of being on a 2 year downturn? Funny how you two are the genius yet all of football and the NFL was just fooled into making the guy the hottest coaching candidate on the market. You guys kill me. First you guys claim here that the guy threw too much and had no running game. Now with the 9th ranked O in the NFL you refer to him as run run pass punt. Which would infer he runs too much.. Oh the joy around this place.

:claphat:

 

[Cardiac]

Really? IMO had Warner not had a resurgence, Whiz's name would be up there with Dave McGinnis in terms of ineptitude. The man's offense is so vanilla that I could game plan him from my couch. A guy I work with is a Charger fan and even he was growing tired of Whiz's "run, run, pass, punt" offense on Sunday. Using your logic, I should really love Charlie Manuel because he brought the Phillies a World Championship when in reality the way that team bashed the ball and scored runs, a trained chimp could have coached that team to a title.

That same Whiz offense that took the chargers from 26th in total offense to 6th? Turned their QB back into a very good NFL starter instead of being on a 2 year downturn? Funny how you two are the genius yet all of football and the NFL was just fooled into making the guy the hottest coaching candidate on the market. You guys kill me. First you guys claim here that the guy threw too much and had no running game. Now with the 6th ranked O in the NFL you refer to him as run run pass punt. Which would infer he runs too much.. Oh the joy around this place.

:claphat:

It amazes me how many Monday QB's who actually know ****e about football think they are smarter than a HC who took his team to the SB.

SMH for ignoramus jerks.

 

[Stout]

Heard on ESPN that Whiz was the first piece to the puzzle in what would happen with HC hires this year. In other words Whiz was the top candidate and after he made his decision the rest of the teams could scramble to find their HC.

Once again I will say, SMH from some very jerk like fans. Whiz was the best HC the Cards have ever had to hating on him or cheap shots etc. are the definition of being a ignorant jerk.

While I do agree KW did a great job for us early, and I love that he helped us get to a Super Bowl, in no way do I think he was our best coach--that would be Coryell. Also, while he did a great job for us early, he turned into a hideously bad coach whose stubbornness wrote his own ticket out of town.

Now kindly stop calling people with a different opinion than yours ignorant jerks.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I think Whiz will repeat history in Nashville.

Whiz can setup a system, organize a organization, and change the culture of a sport organization. There is definite proof in this with the job we all saw him do in Arizona. He took Denny Green's roster, and got it set up to act, and compete as professionals.

By simply doing that (remember he went to the Super Bowl with Clancy Pendergast who he was forced to retain when he was hired) he got that roster all the way to the Super Bowl. He may not have chosen the players that to the work to get the organization there, but he damn well coached and organized the team in order to get them to see their potential.

Throw into the discussion that the AFC South is a joke of a division, (much like the NFC West when Whiz 1st got here), and you have the same recipe that you had here in Arizona.

My advice for the Titans ? Get a good GM that is stubborn as all heck, and give him personnel power. Whiz was a HORRIBLE evaluator of talent, and his personal coaching tree is even worse. Russ Grimm, and Mike Miller. If the Titans know what is good for them, don't let either in the building. Again, find a GM that will butt heads with Whiz and force him to find better quality coaches, because he needs them.

If Whiz has the talent on the roster, then he can win (which is a bit of a cart pulling the horse, but it works for Whiz). Make sure he is the head coach, and not the HC/OC, and let him do his thing. I can see the Titans leap frogging the Jags, the Texans, and giving the Colts a run for their money next year. Seriously.

There is only one thing that would prevent his success early with the Titans. The Quarterback.

If Whiz: 1. Wins early. 2. Has a good GM to work with. 3. No Grimm, No Miller 4. Finds a QB.

He will do well in Nashville at first, and for how long depends on what he learned here, if he changed, and if he hasn't changed (probably knowing Whiz like we do) who will police his talent evaluations so that as his tenure at Nashville gets longer Whiz doesn't screw up the roster with bad drafts, bad free agents, and bad coaches.

If Whiz: 1. Loses early. 2. Can't find a QB. 3. Has to find, and bring in "his players" 4. Bring in Grimm and Miller. Then I would suspect he will struggle.

I know I am such a jerk for not saying Whiz is the Lombardi Jr. of football coaching, but above is what I think so I am fine if I am a jerk for stating so. Perfectly fine.

Whiz was a good coach for the Cardinals. He deserves, and gets respect for changing the culture here in AZ to where winning is expected and the goal. I always liked his demeanor, and how he handled himself in public. One of the better coaches the Cardinals have ever had, and as has been stated, was at the helm for the Cardinals 1st Super Bowl appearance. I have, and many have a lot of respect for the guy.

That being said, I will never, EVER, say the Cardinals were wrong for firing him. Whiz and his regime are as responsible for the 2010, 2011, and 2012 as they are for 2008 and 2009. It was time to go, and it was well deserved. If that is "hating, or bashing" on Whiz, fine. Again, its my opinion of that situation and if that makes me a jerk as well, then so be it.

Love to hear from a Whiz guy how he should not have been fired and why we cannot talk about it.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Heard on ESPN that Whiz was the first piece to the puzzle in what would happen with HC hires this year. In other words Whiz was the top candidate and after he made his decision the rest of the teams could scramble to find their HC.

Once again I will say, SMH from some very jerk like fans. Whiz was the best HC the Cards have ever had to hating on him or cheap shots etc. are the definition of being a ignorant jerk.

Are you done ? Cause I am done listening to you.

Go take your revisionist history to Nashville, and fawn over your beloved.

Now kindly stop calling people with a different opinion than yours ignorant jerks.

+1

I have not idea why he can't state his opinion and move on. Its obnoxious, and annoying. Not to mention hypocritical to call out posters for "being stupid and ignorant" yet then judges them using that same basis. Calling people jerks doesn't really drive his point home as much as he probably thinks it does. LOL.

Eh, whatever. Done with it.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Really? IMO had Warner not had a resurgence, Whiz's name would be up there with Dave McGinnis in terms of ineptitude. The man's offense is so vanilla that I could game plan him from my couch. A guy I work with is a Charger fan and even he was growing tired of Whiz's "run, run, pass, punt" offense on Sunday. Using your logic, I should really love Charlie Manuel because he brought the Phillies a World Championship when in reality the way that team bashed the ball and scored runs, a trained chimp could have coached that team to a title.

So Whiz had nothing to do with Warner's resurgence?

As for the Charlie Manuel reference, I don't know what to think. The manager/HC of any team has a major influence on how a team performs on a day to day basis. Otherwise, why play? The most talented team on paper just wins. I guess Phil Jackson wasn't really a very good coach because he had all the talent.

Did your friend complain when the Chargers won 5 in a row with a run based offense, including one win in Denver where they kept Manning off the field? Ryan Matthews ankle had as much to do with the ineffectiveness of the offenses as anything.

An argument could be made that the offense could have been adjusted with Mathhews out but teams don't usually abandon the gameplan when it's within a reasonable deficit and still in the 3rd quarter.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The REAL reason Whisenhunt went to Tennessee over Detroit:

Cards finished 3rd in the Division. In addition to our Division games, here's our opponents for 2014:

We host Philadelphia, Washington, Kansas City, San Diego and Detroit. Cardinals travel to Dallas, the New York Giants, Denver, Oakland and Atlanta.

He was scared of the beatdown facing him at U of P.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

That same Whiz offense that took the chargers from 26th in total offense to 9th? Turned their QB back into a very good NFL starter instead of being on a 2 year downturn? Funny how you two are the genius yet all of football and the NFL was just fooled into making the guy the hottest coaching candidate on the market. You guys kill me. First you guys claim here that the guy threw too much and had no running game. Now with the 9th ranked O in the NFL you refer to him as run run pass punt. Which would infer he runs too much.. Oh the joy around this place.

:claphat:

+1. Chargers did well this year, turned it around on offense.

McCoy should get some of the credit, but that is just me. Rivers should get some of the credit too, but that is just me.

What impressed me with the Chargers this year was how they developed the offensive line, produce a running game, and YES, most definitely got Rivers playing better than he was. AKA getting Rivers to play like Rivers and not Carson Palmer.

While I think you may be being a tad over defensive of Whiz, I can see why. The Chargers turned their offense around this year, and Whiz should get his due for that. I mean, it should not be surprising, Whiz knows how to get players to buy into change, and he knows how to succeed.

He has proven both with us, and again here with the Chargers.

Those have never been the problems that lead to his downfall, tho. Its other parts of being a head coach that doomed him in the past, but that is the past. If he learned from his mistakes in the desert, then he could be something special in Nashville.

But, please, there is no need to come back and throw it in everyone's faces if Whiz is very successful in Nashville. That was not going to happen here in the desert. I believe Whiz needed to fail, and if he learned, he will be an even better coach in Nashville, which again is quite possible.

BTW - Whiz gets my respect for his accomplishments, and he gets my criticism for his failures. He had both in the desert. Thus I am not interested in here either one-sided argument. To say he was a horrible coach is just not true, and to say he was the perfect coach is just not true. He had a little of both in the desert, and throughout it all he as a class guy. For that he has my respect.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Just read on twitter that Detroit ownership said no to his desire that switch the defense to a 3-4 and no to Horton for that reason. That was the deal breaker.

This makes sense. Their players are not suited to a 3-4 and they have a lot of talent and money tied up on the Dline.

 

[Totally_Red]

Thankful to Whis for turning the franchise around and helping the Cardinals get to a Super Bowl, but I'm glad that the Keim-Arians regime is in place. I don't think there was any way that Graves-Whis was going to be competitive in the NFC West going forward. The Keim-Arians regime is heading in that direction.