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There is a lot of narcissism on this board. Because they do know a hell of a lot about NFL, people think they know everything there is know about NFL, and if the coach would just do it their way, we'd win the superbowl every year. Back in 08 as we approached the playoffs everyone was crawling up the coaches butt, buying into the Collinsworth BS, only to have the Cards blow up with three of the best game plans ever seen to get to the Superbowl and come within three minutes from winning. That's the book on 2008. But for many on this board, our coach was a complete hack, then and now. Whatever.

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There is a lot of narcissism on this board. Because they do know a hell of a lot about NFL, people think they know everything there is know about NFL, and if the coach would just do it their way, we'd win the superbowl every year. Back in 08 as we approached the playoffs everyone was crawling up the coaches butt, buying into the Collinsworth BS, only to have the Cards blow up with three of the best game plans ever seen to get to the Superbowl and come within three minutes from winning. That's the book on 2008. But for many on this board, our coach was a complete hack, then and now. Whatever.

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Really the truth is somewhere in the middle. So many moving parts that I really don't know how anyone can make any definitive statements one way or another. The guy did a good job but as others have said under his watch the team became putrid so he had to go. I think he will be ok, but Locker is not the answer.
 
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I think sometimes we do overrate Whiz because of the context: an improbably run to the Super Bowl looms large in Cardinals history. But now with Pete Carroll making his first Super Bowl appearance, 50 other coaches have done it. And this is with close to half of all SB appearances by coaches who've been 3 or more times.

He was also sub .500 even with the two playoff seasons, and trending downward thereafter, at a time when the division was comparatively weak.

Now it probably looks like I'm a Whiz-hater. I don't mean to be: that SB appearance was monumental for me. But it'll be interesting to see if Whiz makes it back with Tennessee (where Fisher, for instance, was a one SB coach). Then we can have the "was-it Whiz-or-Warner" debate all over again. Probably the same debate Fox may get in Denver even though he's back in the SB.
 

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I think sometimes we do overrate Whiz because of the context: an improbably run to the Super Bowl looms large in Cardinals history. But now with Pete Carroll making his first Super Bowl appearance, 50 other coaches have done it. And this is with close to half of all SB appearances by coaches who've been 3 or more times.

He was also sub .500 even with the two playoff seasons, and trending downward thereafter, at a time when the division was comparatively weak.

Now it probably looks like I'm a Whiz-hater. I don't mean to be: that SB appearance was monumental for me. But it'll be interesting to see if Whiz makes it back with Tennessee (where Fisher, for instance, was a one SB coach). Then we can have the "was-it Whiz-or-Warner" debate all over again. Probably the same debate Fox may get in Denver even though he's back in the SB.

I think it's the opposite. I think people became so frustrated they underrated his impact here. People have short memories when it comes to the years and years of wasted draft picks, potential and year after year of low impact coaches brought in here.

Things changed once he got here. He couldn't bring us over the finish line but I will forever remember the day when things started to change and the Cards started getting respect. I credit Whiz for that no matter what the Whizenhaters say.
 

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I think sometimes we do overrate Whiz because of the context: an improbably run to the Super Bowl looms large in Cardinals history. But now with Pete Carroll making his first Super Bowl appearance, 50 other coaches have done it. And this is with close to half of all SB appearances by coaches who've been 3 or more times.

He was also sub .500 even with the two playoff seasons, and trending downward thereafter, at a time when the division was comparatively weak.

Now it probably looks like I'm a Whiz-hater. I don't mean to be: that SB appearance was monumental for me. But it'll be interesting to see if Whiz makes it back with Tennessee (where Fisher, for instance, was a one SB coach). Then we can have the "was-it Whiz-or-Warner" debate all over again. Probably the same debate Fox may get in Denver even though he's back in the SB.

Whiz is not overrated. He literally changed the ENTIRE culture of this franchise and had players, coaches, and fans buying in to a genuine winning philosophy; something this franchise lacked from every single coach that preceded him. IMO, he is currently judged by the standards he set in his first three years on the job.

The problem was he eventually became a victim of the monster he created. In 2010, when we lost a plethora of impactful players (not just Warner), the lofty expectations remained for fans, but the talent level of the team could not match said expectations.
 

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I think it's the opposite. I think people became so frustrated they underrated his impact here. People have short memories when it comes to the years and years of wasted draft picks, potential and year after year of low impact coaches brought in here.

Things changed once he got here. He couldn't bring us over the finish line but I will forever remember the day when things started to change and the Cards started getting respect. I credit Whiz for that no matter what the Whizenhaters say.

Totally fair. I think it goes along with my Cardinals "context" though. Not that I care about any other context...

I actually think I would lump Green into the turnaround. He definitely had his foibles, but some hits as well. Plus the stadium was on the way.
 

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I think it's the opposite. I think people became so frustrated they underrated his impact here. People have short memories when it comes to the years and years of wasted draft picks, potential and year after year of low impact coaches brought in here.

Things changed once he got here. He couldn't bring us over the finish line but I will forever remember the day when things started to change and the Cards started getting respect. I credit Whiz for that no matter what the Whizenhaters say.

Well said. Changing the culture was about more than x's and o's. He also requested (and got) a new weight room and the indoor training facility he wanted. I really believe he gave the organization more than they gave him and that's all I can ask for in a coach.

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Somer's commenting on Peter King's interview with Wiz and the specific question about being unable to develop a QB after Warner left.

http://www.azcentral.com/insiders/k...-the-pursuit-of-a-qb-in-arizona/?sf21909424=1

In his weekly Monday Morning Quarterback column, Peter King asked new Titans coach Ken Whisenhunt about his failure to develop a quarterback in Arizona after Kurt Warner retired following the 2009 season.

Whisenhunt’s answer was interesting. Here it is. I’ll address some points below.

Click the link to read the rest
 

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I think sometimes we do overrate Whiz because of the context: an improbably run to the Super Bowl looms large in Cardinals history. But now with Pete Carroll making his first Super Bowl appearance, 50 other coaches have done it. And this is with close to half of all SB appearances by coaches who've been 3 or more times.

He was also sub .500 even with the two playoff seasons, and trending downward thereafter, at a time when the division was comparatively weak.

Now it probably looks like I'm a Whiz-hater. I don't mean to be: that SB appearance was monumental for me. But it'll be interesting to see if Whiz makes it back with Tennessee (where Fisher, for instance, was a one SB coach). Then we can have the "was-it Whiz-or-Warner" debate all over again. Probably the same debate Fox may get in Denver even though he's back in the SB.

I'll never understand the was it 'Wiz or Warner" debate. the reality is that it was "Wiz AND Warner".

How anyone can really debate that after Warner was left for dead by THREE teams (including our own) is a mystery to me.
 

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An NFL HC is only as good as his QB. He either drives his boat onward into the sea or goes down with the sinking ship because of him. Wiz drowned with his ship because Leinart never developed past his rookie year, DA sucked & Kolb couldn't stay healthy & on the field.

Which is exactly why college QBs are so coveted & sometimes over drafted!!! Come on BA & Keim...plan for your future or you will probably be shipped wrecked on Gilligans island in 3-4 years :D
 

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Greatest coach in Chicago/St. Louis/Arizona Cardinal history! With a 4-2 playoff record, no one is even close. Nothing more needs to be said.
 

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Whiz is not overrated. He literally changed the ENTIRE culture of this franchise and had players, coaches, and fans buying in to a genuine winning philosophy; something this franchise lacked from every single coach that preceded him. IMO, he is currently judged by the standards he set in his first three years on the job.

The problem was he eventually became a victim of the monster he created. In 2010, when we lost a plethora of impactful players (not just Warner), the lofty expectations remained for fans, but the talent level of the team could not match said expectations.

He did change the culture of the franchise--to a point. He did a lot early in his tenure to change us from a 'we're used to losing' team to a 'hey, we really CAN win' team. The problem is, he never, ever managed to keep the team consistently competitive. EVER. This is not a point for debate. Even in our SB season, we suffered a number of blowouts where the team clearly was not prepared and did not come ready to play. Not lost, not lost by a lot, but blown out.

KW dragged this team out of the dark ages of football, and for that he deserves all the credit in the world. He couldn't take us to the next level, though, keeping us competitive week in and week out, and he suffered from the inability to get a starting QB through the door and developed. And it led directly to his firing.
 

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Greatest coach in Chicago/St. Louis/Arizona Cardinal history! With a 4-2 playoff record, no one is even close. Nothing more needs to be said.

Norman Barry (1928) and Jimmy Conzelman (1947) each won NFL Championships as head coach of the Chicago Cardinals.

Championships trump a 4-2 playoff record with no championship.
 

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Norman Barry (1928) and Jimmy Conzelman (1947) each won NFL Championships as head coach of the Chicago Cardinals.

Championships trump a 4-2 playoff record with no championship.

Brian get real. As anyone else would know in the modern "SB era"

Nobody and I mean nobody considersd the NFL championships from back then. Just too long ago and in a diffent league set up.
 

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Brian get real. As anyone else would know in the modern "SB era"

Nobody and I mean nobody considered the NFL championships from back then. Just too long ago and in a different league set up.

That's NOT what I responded to and you know it. We aren't talking in the modern SB era - he included all eras: Chicago/St. Louis/Arizona. Looking at all eras - who won it all? Game, set, match, IMHO.

Green Bay is STILL called Title Town because of their 13 NFL Championships - 9 NFL titles and 4 SB's (2 before the merger and 2 after the merger).
 
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