Whisenhunt - Titans New Coach

[cardpa]

All I have to say is this will define whether the pro Whiz side was right or the con Whiz side was right.

He has no real QB to work with in Tennessee and he is bringing back to his staff his old coaching staff for the most part. The proof will be in the pudding. Will we see history repeat itself or will we see history rewrite itself. I would not be surprised to see Horton announced shortly as new DC. Grimm and Miller are on board already. The biggest question is did Whiz learn from his past mistakes or is he destined to repeat them?

 

[Duckjake]

My question is how does a coach with a run, run, pass, punt offense finish dead last in rushing attempts 4 times in 6 seasons in Arizona?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

My question is how does a coach with a run, run, pass, punt offense finish dead last in rushing attempts 4 times in 6 seasons in Arizona?

Especially when he had Beanie Wells to tote the rock.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

My question is how does a coach with a run, run, pass, punt offense finish dead last in rushing attempts 4 times in 6 seasons in Arizona?

With tongue firmly in cheek I say:

#1 - That is only 2 runs per possession when you are going three and out 90% of the time.

#2 - With only two or three possessions a game where you are NOT throwing to catch up to the other team that equates to 4 runs a game. And 3 out of those 4 runs being a draw play out of the shotgun.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

All I have to say is this will define whether the pro Whiz side was right or the con Whiz side was right.

He has no real QB to work with in Tennessee and he is bringing back to his staff his old coaching staff for the most part. The proof will be in the pudding. Will we see history repeat itself or will we see history rewrite itself. I would not be surprised to see Horton announced shortly as new DC. Grimm and Miller are on board already. The biggest question is did Whiz learn from his past mistakes or is he destined to repeat them?

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I haven't read that anywhere, but if true.........ho boy, that is not good, IMHO.

 

[Duckjake]

With tongue firmly in cheek I say:

#1 - That is only 2 runs per possession when you are going three and out 90% of the time.

#2 - With only two or three possessions a game where you are NOT throwing to catch up to the other team that equates to 4 runs a game. And 3 out of those 4 runs being a draw play out of the shotgun.

CKW's passing attempt rankings: 2,2,3,11,15,9. Rushing 25,32,32,32,28,32.

Amazing how we went from so bad (5-11 in 2006) to so good (2 x Division champs) to so bad (3-15) to so good (11-2) to so bad (1-9) so fast.

 

[Dr. Jones]

My question is how does a coach with a run, run, pass, punt offense finish dead last in rushing attempts 4 times in 6 seasons in Arizona?

I think this is how you answer that question.....

Three & Out Drives:
2012: #1 with 65 total 3 & outs. #1 in % at 31% of the time
2011: #9 with 49 total 3 & outs. #12 in % at 25% of the time
2010: #4 with 56 total 3 & outs. #1 in % at 29% of the time

 

[Dr. Jones]

Time of possesition:

2012: 9th worst in the league. 28:58
2011: Tied for 2nd worst in the league. 27:54
2010: 2nd worst in the league. 26:17

 

[Shane]

I think this is how you answer that question.....

Three & Out Drives:
2012: #1 with 65 total 3 & outs. #1 in % at 31% of the time
2011: #9 with 49 total 3 & outs. #12 in % at 25% of the time
2010: #4 with 56 total 3 & outs. #1 in % at 29% of the time

Thats in AZ with no real QB's big shocker. But The fans in SD seem to be complaining about it when they had the 9th ranked O in the NFL. You don't get to #9 being a run run pass punt offense.

 

[Duckjake]

Time of possesition:

2012: 9th worst in the league. 28:58
2011: Tied for 2nd worst in the league. 27:54
2010: 2nd worst in the league. 26:17

So what? The Cards were 16th in TOP 2008 and went to the SB. They were 17th in 2009 and advanced to the second round of the playoffs. Green Bay was #2 in 2009 and we kicked their butts out of the playoffs. Baltimore was 16th last year and won the SB.

Like I wrote. From bad to good to bad to good to bad in a really short period of time. And even with that TOP in 2011 they won 7 of their last 9 games. 3 minutes a game in TOP doesn't make that much difference. Having crappy QBs sure does.

You gotta love Cardinal football.

 

[BigRedRage]

So what? The Cards were 16th in TOP 2008 and went to the SB. They were 17th in 2009 and advanced to the second round of the playoffs. Green Bay was #2 in 2009 and we kicked their butts out of the playoffs. Baltimore was 16th last year and won the SB.

Like I wrote. From bad to good to bad to good to bad in a really short period of time. And even with that TOP in 2011 they won 7 of their last 9 games. 3 minutes a game in TOP doesn't make that much difference. Having crappy QBs sure does.

You gotta love Cardinal football.

being in the middle much different than being the worst.

 

[Duckjake]

being in the middle much different than being the worst.

Yeah two whole minutes per game. Worst team in TOP this year? The NFC East Champion Eagles. You know who was 6th best? The 2-14 Houston Texans.

TOP is way overrated.

 

[Shane]

Yeah two whole minutes per game. Worst team in TOP this year? The NFC East Champion Eagles. You know who was 6th best? The 2-14 Houston Texans.

TOP is way overrated.

Yup

 

[Duckjake]

Difference per possession 2011 to 2013 was 16 seconds. Difference in results was Double Dunce, Konkession Kolb and Ryan Lindley vs Carson Palmer.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

The REAL reason Whisenhunt went to Tennessee over Detroit:

Cards finished 3rd in the Division. In addition to our Division games, here's our opponents for 2014:

We host Philadelphia, Washington, Kansas City, San Diego and Detroit. Cardinals travel to Dallas, the New York Giants, Denver, Oakland and Atlanta.

He was scared of the beatdown facing him at U of P.

Lets see no quarterback or pass rusher on that roster. He will feel like

he is in Arizona again.

 

[john h]

Lol
The hate here for Wiz is just mind boggling. He coached us to the greatest season in Big Red history & people still bash him. Yes, he had a hand in its downfall but we've moved on with new blood...almost every coach is hired to be fired at some point & when you don't have a big time QB the HC is gonna sink with the ship, in which he did.

I do agree that he should've taken the Lions job, but who's to say it was gonna be available because I'm pretty sure he wasn't offered it.

I really had no big problem with Whiz. I do think our new guy has certainly been better this past year. Whiz like most coaches is not much better than his players and staff. If Peyton Manning is your QB you are very likely to be in the playoffs as he is the coach on the field.

 

[Cardiac]

While I do agree KW did a great job for us early, and I love that he helped us get to a Super Bowl, in no way do I think he was our best coach--that would be Coryell. Also, while he did a great job for us early, he turned into a hideously bad coach whose stubbornness wrote his own ticket out of town.

Now kindly stop calling people with a different opinion than yours ignorant jerks.

I loved Coryell but he didn't win a playoff game in his time with the Cards to I have to go with Whiz as the better HC.

Agree to disagree.

It's not just a difference of opinion. It's a lack of respect and I guess I shouldn't expect that from every fan. It is just FB and the last 2 years of Whiz's tenure in the desert were awful.

+1. Chargers did well this year, turned it around on offense.

McCoy should get some of the credit, but that is just me. Rivers should get some of the credit too, but that is just me.

Absolutely. I think we can both agree that Whiz gets a majority of the credit because he was a very hot candidate for a HC gig this year.


While I think you may be being a tad over defensive of Whiz, I can see why. The Chargers turned their offense around this year, and Whiz should get his due for that. I mean, it should not be surprising, Whiz knows how to get players to buy into change, and he knows how to succeed.

He has proven both with us, and again here with the Chargers.

Those have never been the problems that lead to his downfall, tho. Its other parts of being a head coach that doomed him in the past, but that is the past. If he learned from his mistakes in the desert, then he could be something special in Nashville.

Agree.


But, please, there is no need to come back and throw it in everyone's faces if Whiz is very successful in Nashville. That was not going to happen here in the desert. I believe Whiz needed to fail, and if he learned, he will be an even better coach in Nashville, which again is quite possible.

Agree. I realize you probably have me on ignore at this point but I've never started a Whiz is great thread that I can recall. I have jumped to his defense with IMWO ungrateful fans who bash and take cheap shots at Whiz.

BTW - Whiz gets my respect for his accomplishments, and he gets my criticism for his failures. He had both in the desert. Thus I am not interested in here either one-sided argument. To say he was a horrible coach is just not true, and to say he was the perfect coach is just not true. He had a little of both in the desert, and throughout it all he as a class guy. For that he has my respect.

This is well stated and why I wouldn't use the word jerk for this statement because there is acknowledgement of what Whiz did accomplish with the Cards.

I guess I'm done calling anyone a jerk anyway. Not my best moment(s).

Yes Whiz did need to go, Michael made the right decision. Good Coaches get fired all the time, see Andy Reid.

It will be interesting to see how Whiz does in Nashville and I now have a team to root for in the AFC.

 

[Azlen]

It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone but Leinart isn't a fan of Wiz and said Warner was the reason for his success here.

http://msn.foxsports.com/arizona/story/leinart-questions-titans-hiring-of-whisenhunt-011414

 

[Denny Green Fan]

I loved Coryell but he didn't win a playoff game in his time with the Cards to I have to go with Whiz as the better HC.

Agree to disagree.

It's not just a difference of opinion. It's a lack of respect and I guess I shouldn't expect that from every fan. It is just FB and the last 2 years of Whiz's tenure in the desert were awful.



This is well stated and why I wouldn't use the word jerk for this statement because there is acknowledgement of what Whiz did accomplish with the Cards.

I guess I'm done calling anyone a jerk anyway. Not my best moment(s).

Yes Whiz did need to go, Michael made the right decision. Good Coaches get fired all the time, see Andy Reid.

It will be interesting to see how Whiz does in Nashville and I now have a team to root for in the AFC.

I live in Western KY so there are alot of Titans fans around here. I have

got a few phone calls today with people asking me about Whisenhunt.

Will he look at Carr in the draft? Or can he fix Locker?

 

[conraddobler]

SOmetimes especially in the playoffs things just don't work. Poor execution players overwhelmed etc…. Whiz more then showed he's a good OC your complete offensive resurrection and River complete turnaround proves that.

There is a reason he was the hottest wanted HC candidate on the market.

I like our current coaching staff enough that I could care less about Whiz, good luck to him unless we play him then I hope and pray our defense gets to sack their QB 18 times while Russ surfs wheresthebossnext.com.

 

[Shane]

I like our current coaching staff enough that I could care less about Whiz, good luck to him unless we play him then I hope and pray our defense gets to sack their QB 18 times while Russ surfs wheresthebossnext.com.

I like them too. It was time for Whiz to move on no doubt.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Report: Titans offered Whisenhunt $1 million more per year than Lions

There’s been plenty of speculation regarding whether Ken Whisenhunt chose the Titans over the Lions and if so why.
They may have been one million reasons. Per year.
According to Paul Kuharsky of ESPN.com, the Titans offered Whisenhunt $1 million per year more than the Lions.

 

[THESMEL]

I'm one big red jerk then- Cause If he goes to titans and runs the ball and hires a decent staff - He learned from the mistakes that I screamed about as a Cardinal fan- Why he couldn't be a fundamentally sound coach- develop a player or at least not ruin the players he has - befuddles me.

I wasn't asking for a miracle, brain surgery or aerophysics- just not be last in the NFL in Rushing, killing our oline and QB's- decent staff hirings somewhere within NFl Normals?

Something inbetween the Steelers he coached in 2005 and the chargers he coached this year is not an unreasonable request as a Cardinal Fan! We got crap and We have to lay in it until He was gone gone gone!

That isn't what we got with a very rich HC contract- He was paid well and awarded HC powers for his SB appearance- and BA proves the problem with the Arizona Cardinals
Was KEN WHISENSTUPID! Just like Matt Leinart was not the problem with the AZ Cardinals- after he was cut we got way way worse!

 

[GuernseyCard]

I'm one big red jerk then- Cause If he goes to titans and runs the ball and hires a decent staff - He learned from the mistakes that I screamed about as a Cardinal fan- Why he couldn't be a fundamentally sound coach- develop a player or at least not ruin the players he has - befuddles me.

I wasn't asking for a miracle, brain surgery or aerophysics- just not be last in the NFL in Rushing, killing our oline and QB's- decent staff hirings somewhere within NFl Normals?

Something inbetween the Steelers he coached in 2005 and the chargers he coached this year is not an unreasonable request as a Cardinal Fan! We got crap and We have to lay in it until He was gone gone gone!

That isn't what we got with a very rich HC contract- He was paid well and awarded HC powers for his SB appearance- and BA proves the problem with the Arizona Cardinals
Was KEN WHISENSTUPID! Just like Matt Leinart was not the problem with the AZ Cardinals- after he was cut we got way way worse!

Anyone who thinks Leinart was an answer to a problem, doesn't know the question.

 

[RedViper]

It amazes me how many Monday QB's who actually know ****e about football think they are smarter than a HC who took his team to the SB.

SMH for ignoramus jerks.

There is a lot of narcissism on this board. Because they do know a hell of a lot about NFL, people think they know everything there is know about NFL, and if the coach would just do it their way, we'd win the superbowl every year. Back in 08 as we approached the playoffs everyone was crawling up the coaches butt, buying into the Collinsworth BS, only to have the Cards blow up with three of the best game plans ever seen to get to the Superbowl and come within three minutes from winning. That's the book on 2008. But for many on this board, our coach was a complete hack, then and now. Whatever.