Whiz: Beanie is our starter

[desertdawg]

That is a good question. I'm not in love with the answer though.

Steve

Yeah Whiz should have said they plan on fixing it with TEs and a few upgrades at O-line, maybe more dedication to the run game, that's about what I see.

 

[Mulli]

Funny how disingenous Whiz was. He said QB was first priority. They go and get Kolb. OL second priority. They sign Colledge, Pork Chop, Lyle, Deuce.

:dcr:

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Funny how disingenous Whiz was. He said QB was first priority. They go and get Kolb. OL second priority. They sign Colledge, Pork Chop, Lyle, Deuce.

:dcr:

do you think Deuce came back because he was thinking the Cards were serving pork chops .

 

[D-Dogg]

do you think Deuce came back because he was thinking the Cards were serving pork chops .

LOL!!

 

[Mulli]

do you think Deuce came back because he was thinking the Cards were serving pork chops .

Mmmmm. Pork Chops and Beans.

 

[desertdawg]

Mmmmm. Pork Chops and Beans.

Pork cops a chunky damn that's funky, make you wanna slap yo mama!

 

[Mulli]

Colledge greens?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Colledge greens?

A bridge too far. The pork chop line gets a

 

[Mulli]

Jeff Chicken a la King!!!

 

[desertdawg]

Holiday sauce

 

[Mulli]

We are stealing Mitch's thunder. He had a Top Chef Cardinals thread all ready to come out of the oven.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Pork cops a chunky damn that's funky, make you wanna slap yo mama!

Typo?

Steve

 

[TJ]

I don't have a personal vendetta against Whiz, TJ. I just find him disingenuous.

But I dont understand why? Can you elaborate?

I think most of your argument is congruent with basic coach speak.

"Wells is our stater"

Well, that's a vote of confidence for a guy who has been our 1st round pick playing behind a guy in Timmy who couldn't keep the ball in his hands. Plus, alleviating some of the confusion behind the RB situation as did the departure of THT

"John Skelton is raw and not ready to play"

Well, he speaks the truth and Skelton proved it with his less than impressive play on the field at the end of the season. And I know you had a conniption when he allegedly pitted Bartel against him as the starter for the rest of the season. I see nothing wrong with that.

What do you expect from Whiz? When a guy, such as Matt Leinart, disappoints him, even though he was given a vote of confidence by CKW in the offseason last year, should he keep his word as bond or do what he thinks is best for the team? As you said, Matt was toast. And you were right. But that type of statement is two fold: a) it is a praise for the player and a challenge to him and his back up step their game up and b) it's inherently reciprocal. What if Beanie goes out and averages 3.1 YPC and whiffs on pass protection, should CKW keep his word? No. Do what's best for the team. In 2001, should Belichek have benched Brady for Bledsoe when he got healthy to keep his word and not be disingenuous?

I think you are in the wrong department if you think coaches should be completely genuine. This is not kindergarten where coaches are making sure players' feelings aren't hurt, but rather, a game where will, dedication, and devotion are put on the line day in and day out.

I'd rather my coach be "disingenuous" if he thinks "breaking his promises" is for the betterment of the team.

 

[THESMEL]

no

I understand and respect your view. Beanie was hurt late in the 4th preseason game last year. I seen it immediately and he stayed in a couple plays trying to walk it out.

Now Beanie took the heat of being a turd for weeks while whiz lied in a gamemanship kind of way, then Beanie reported the secret surgery and was in the dog house.

Whiz is more about head games than any coach I ever seen, If you trust his open door policy as a player, than your a damn fool. It didn't work out for Beanie nor the team, or Edge or Q or Kurt or Matt or Deuce .

It helped with the Eric Green perving situation, I didn't have a clue why, until after the SB. I knew our guy that could cover and stick Holmes was in the doghouse for faking an injury.

I like some gamemanship in a HC, but there is a limit.Sometimes you just have to shut up and FISH!

But I dont understand why? Can you elaborate?

I think most of your argument is congruent with basic coach speak.

"Wells is our stater"

Well, that's a vote of confidence for a guy who has been our 1st round pick playing behind a guy in Timmy who couldn't keep the ball in his hands. Plus, alleviating some of the confusion behind the RB situation as did the departure of THT

"John Skelton is raw and not ready to play"

Well, he speaks the truth and Skelton proved it with his less than impressive play on the field at the end of the season. And I know you had a conniption when he allegedly pitted Bartel against him as the starter for the rest of the season. I see nothing wrong with that.

What do you expect from Whiz? When a guy, such as Matt Leinart, disappoints him, even though he was given a vote of confidence by CKW in the offseason last year, should he keep his word as bond or do what he thinks is best for the team? As you said, Matt was toast. And you were right. But that type of statement is two fold: a) it is a praise for the player and a challenge to him and his back up step their game up and b) it's inherently reciprocal. What if Beanie goes out and averages 3.1 YPC and whiffs on pass protection, should CKW keep his word? No. Do what's best for the team. In 2001, should Belichek have benched Brady for Bledsoe when he got healthy to keep his word and not be disingenuous?

I think you are in the wrong department if you think coaches should be completely genuine. This is not kindergarten where coaches are making sure players' feelings aren't hurt, but rather, a game where will, dedication, and devotion are put on the line day in and day out.

I'd rather my coach be "disingenuous" if he thinks "breaking his promises" is for the betterment of the team.

 

[TJ]

I understand and respect your view. Beanie was hurt late in the 4th preseason game last year. I seen it immediately and he stayed in a couple plays trying to walk it out.

Now Beanie took the heat of being a turd for weeks while whiz lied in a gamemanship kind of way, then Beanie reported the secret surgery and was in the dog house.

Whiz is more about head ga, If you trust his open door policy as a player, than your a damn fool. It didn't work out for Beanie nor the team, or Edge or Q or Kurt or Matt or Deuce .

It helped with the Eric Green perving situation, I didn't have a clue why, until after the SB. I knew our guy that could cover and stick Holmes was in the doghouse for faking an injury.

I like some gamemanship in a HC, but there is a limit.Sometimes you just have to shut up and FISH!

What "head games?" This mindset of yours is completely absurd. You're just upset that he cut your boy toy Matty.

CKW's attitude is no different than any other successful coach I've ever seen, except that he gets more out of his players than all coaches I have ever seen in Cardinals' history. That's "gamesmanship." Perhaps you are not used to a head coach challenging players to play to their potential and rather are more accustomed to coaches who scream into microphones during press conferences.

Example. Beanie, aka, "The Bean," was given an opportunity after he complained publicly about his lack of playing time (even with that "secret" surgery). He was given 20 carries the following game and got a putrid 35 yards. Should CKW pat him on the back for that performance or hold him accountable for his play?

Some of the players you mentioned in the "doghouse" probably deserved to be there. Deuce comes into camp every year overweight. This season, he signs elsewhere and fails a physical; thus, proving the organization's point. He's lucky the team took him back. Edge missed practice and demanded a trade. Matt was not 100% focused on football as he should have been. Q wanted Fitz money and the organization couldn't/wouldn't pay him, so he bitched, moaned and asked for a trade. Kurt was never in any dog house.

So with the players I mentioned, they had issues on or off the field which shouldnt be condoned by any coach. Think about it. What would Parcells do with those guys? Coughlin? Belichek? I bet you the doghouse would be a blessing if they were in charge.

Bottom line: Whiz is in charge. Not Beanie. Not Deuce. Certainly not Matty. You want him to coddle players and give in to their behavior and respective demands? That's not how football works.

 

[Mulli]

Anyone remember last offseason? Shanahan held a conditioning test for every player that missed OTA's. that was only one. Haynesworth. That is a head game.

Not naming a guy a starter and then switching to a different player at some other point. that is the NFL, not a head game.

 

[Totally_Red]

Not as much as people make out to be. And given he had an injury and reaction to medication on top of it contributing to his performance last year, I think people are reaching too much to find other reasons for "what's wrong with beanie?"

I was at a KTAR event a couple of months ago, and Whis was asked what's wrong with Beanie, and he went off on the questioner. I was kind of surprised but he was very defensive of The Bean to the point of almost anger. This was after drafting Williams. Whis expects big things from Beanie, and thought despite his issues last year, he was a tough competitor to try and play as much as he did.

The handwringing over wells is premature, IMO. And it seems, In Whis' opinion as well.

Wells is a Whisenhunt pick. THT was a 5th round pick for our former running backs coach. That, along with Tim's fumbles, explains why THT was traded, and why Wells will get every opportunity to break out this season IMO. He just has to stay healthy.

 

[SECTION 11]

Sweet. I'm all set for a full dose of Wells. The Hightower/Wells split was just silly.

 

[Mulli]

Wells is a Whisenhunt pick. THT was a 5th round pick for our former running backs coach. That, along with Tim's fumbles, explains why THT was traded, and why Wells will get every opportunity to break out this season IMO. He just has to stay healthy.

THT was a Whiz pick, right? Whiz started THT over both Edge and THt at some point. THT didn't get it done. Too many fumbles. Too many drops. That is why he was traded. That and a 5th rounder and Vonnie Holliday.

 

[SECTION 11]

Big Huge Beanis

Yeah, that's catchy. Look for that one on the Broadway curve.

 

[Mulli]

Big Huge Beanis

Yeah, that's catchy. Look for that one on the Broadway curve.

 

[bg7brd]

What "head games?" This mindset of yours is completely absurd. You're just upset that he cut your boy toy Matty.

CKW's attitude is no different than any other successful coach I've ever seen, except that he gets more out of his players than all coaches I have ever seen in Cardinals' history. That's "gamesmanship." Perhaps you are not used to a head coach challenging players to play to their potential and rather are more accustomed to coaches who scream into microphones during press conferences.

Example. Beanie, aka, "The Bean," was given an opportunity after he complained publicly about his lack of playing time (even with that "secret" surgery). He was given 20 carries the following game and got a putrid 35 yards. Should CKW pat him on the back for that performance or hold him accountable for his play?

Some of the players you mentioned in the "doghouse" probably deserved to be there. Deuce comes into camp every year overweight. This season, he signs elsewhere and fails a physical; thus, proving the organization's point. He's lucky the team took him back. Edge missed practice and demanded a trade. Matt was not 100% focused on football as he should have been. Q wanted Fitz money and the organization couldn't/wouldn't pay him, so he bitched, moaned and asked for a trade. Kurt was never in any dog house.

So with the players I mentioned, they had issues on or off the field which shouldnt be condoned by any coach. Think about it. What would Parcells do with those guys? Coughlin? Belichek? I bet you the doghouse would be a blessing if they were in charge.

Bottom line: Whiz is in charge. Not Beanie. Not Deuce. Certainly not Matty. You want him to coddle players and give in to their behavior and respective demands? That's not how football works.

Excellent!

 

[BigRedRage]

In whiz I still trust.

 

[Longcolts]

I am thinking the problem with Beanie is not running with enough authority ie breaking tackles breaking long runs etc.

That was a point I was going to make. It would be nice to see a running back break a tackle going thru the line once in awhile.

 

[THESMEL]

ok i'm absurd

http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and...To-Third/51f2b8ee-17cc-46a2-89ad-34fda98efbfc

echnically, running back

Beanie Wells was limited in practice Wednesday on the knee injury that certainly seems to be something more than the simple bruise mentioned a couple of weeks back. But there seems to be more optimism Wells will indeed return Sunday for his first regular-season appearance in 2010.​

“I didn't do team (part of practice) just because they didn't want to pound on me too much but we plan to increase a bit more each day,” Wells said, adding he was “good.”​

“It seems like it's a broken record now,” coach Ken Whisenhunt said. “We're saying the same thing (as last week) but I think he'll do a lot more in practice (Thursday) if there's not any swelling or reaction to what he did today. He did more today than he's ever done (the past few weeks). I expect him to be more integrated into practice (Thursday) if we don't have a setback.”​

Whisenhunt cautioned things can always change, but Wells sounded confident he’d play against the Raiders.​

"I think this offense can go through me, definitely," Wells said.​

What "head games?" This mindset of yours is completely absurd. You're just upset that he cut your boy toy Matty.

CKW's attitude is no different than any other successful coach I've ever seen, except that he gets more out of his players than all coaches I have ever seen in Cardinals' history. That's "gamesmanship." Perhaps you are not used to a head coach challenging players to play to their potential and rather are more accustomed to coaches who scream into microphones during press conferences.

Example. Beanie, aka, "The Bean," was given an opportunity after he complained publicly about his lack of playing time (even with that "secret" surgery). He was given 20 carries the following game and got a putrid 35 yards. Should CKW pat him on the back for that performance or hold him accountable for his play?

Some of the players you mentioned in the "doghouse" probably deserved to be there. Deuce comes into camp every year overweight. This season, he signs elsewhere and fails a physical; thus, proving the organization's point. He's lucky the team took him back. Edge missed practice and demanded a trade. Matt was not 100% focused on football as he should have been. Q wanted Fitz money and the organization couldn't/wouldn't pay him, so he bitched, moaned and asked for a trade. Kurt was never in any dog house.

So with the players I mentioned, they had issues on or off the field which shouldnt be condoned by any coach. Think about it. What would Parcells do with those guys? Coughlin? Belichek? I bet you the doghouse would be a blessing if they were in charge.

Bottom line: Whiz is in charge. Not Beanie. Not Deuce. Certainly not Matty. You want him to coddle players and give in to their behavior and respective demands? That's not how football works.