Who are the Mocks picking for Phoenix?

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Jamison is leagues above him athletically. Pretty bad comparison. And have you ever seen Tyler play D? It's not any good. I'll give you the player of the year stuff. I like Tyler's work ethic, he isnt a complete waste. Plus he is a great team player and you always need those guys around.
i saw him play a bunch of games this year (mainly in the tourny). i thought his defense was good for his size, and he gave it 100% at all times. I like him as a player, but like i said earlier he doesn't do much for the suns unless he does the same thing Battier did (switch from post player to perimeter player).


What do you guys think of Kevin Love? i'd like him if he stayed one more year in college to work on defense, but he's got loads of potential. especially with a guy like shaq around. It's a thought, at least. he might still be on the board late in the first round.
 

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i'll take a center any day over budinger. i watched a couple games this year, i wasn't incredibly impressed. his defense was like nash's- he has a willingness to play it but he just can't do it very well. His offense wasn't all that spectacular either, though his shot looked nice. IMO he's the next wally szcerbiak (probably not spelled correctly).

man, even Wally's a stretch IMO. At least Wally was a leader in college and yu could actually see his athleticism pay off there as opposed to Budinger who just has to be the most hyped Zona prospect in recent memory.
 

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NEVADA alum and a Laker fan? Man, you really have some issues don't you?:)(Kidding)

Go Suns! Go Boise State!

Yes I do. :p

By the way, I really thought we were finally going to beat you in football this last year. That was one of the greatest college games I have ever seen.
 

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Quick points:

- At #15 you have to go BPA.
- I would never draft a white PF (ie Hansborough). Googs is your best case scenario and that doesn't excite me.
- It would be great if Batum fell to our spot, but I don't see that happening after workouts.
 

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I kind of like Greene's potential.

I do think Collison will be good.

McGee is more Mikki Moore than Marcus Camby.
 

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Donte Green has the best shot at becomeing a super-star out of all those guys... and he would be THE PERFECT 3 for the suns....

If he is not there.. I would go with Westbrook or Rush....

I don't know enough about McGee to have an opinion either way... and I wouldn't be opposed to Love or Jordan

I would LITTERALLY THROW UP AND CRY AT THE SAME TIME, if we selected Budinger just because he went to the UofA.... or Roy Hibbert...

Whoever said Anthony Randolph would be there at 15 is smoking something really potent, because unless he losses a leg or an arm... that isn't happending....
 

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I kind of like Greene's potential.

I do think Collison will be good.

McGee is more Mikki Moore than Marcus Camby.

Mikki Moore is okay but he projects higher than a Mikki Moore.
 

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I kind of like Greene's potential.

I do think Collison will be good.

McGee is more Mikki Moore than Marcus Camby.


How many times did you watch McGee play? I am assuming that it isn't all that much. He will be a far superior player than Mikki Moore.
 

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Yeah but Alt is an idiot.

That is the truest statement that has ever been made on this board. Ault single handedly ruined wins over Boise and Hawaii this year. I hate Coach Ault. I wish there was a better way to say it, but unfortunately hate is the perfect word.
 
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i really think donte would fit in well with the suns. that being said i think he was SOOOO DUMB for leaving early. he needs to learn to do things with the ball on the drive, and learn to play defense. both things boeheim teaches. stupid to leave early. but take him and coach him.

He's a 6'10" SF. The defense thing Syracuse plays so much zone I'm not sure staying really helps his defense. But he definitely needs more polish on offense right now he shoots too many jumpshots. Talented kid though.
 

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Yes I do. :p

By the way, I really thought we were finally going to beat you in football this last year. That was one of the greatest college games I have ever seen.

That was an INSANE game! I have season tickets and it was one of the best I have ever witnessed live. I can think of one that is better:

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I hope to make it down to reno for the game this year.
 

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How many times did you watch McGee play? I am assuming that it isn't all that much. He will be a far superior player than Mikki Moore.

I watched him on video and thought he looked like Mikki Moore. Just my opinion, we'll see. Bogut was supposed to be superior, Kandiman superior, the list goes on, the fact is most guys after the first few picks are a total crap shoot. Look at the history, guys picked after 5 = crap shoot and big men especially don't pan out.
 

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Donte Green has the best shot at becomeing a super-star out of all those guys... and he would be THE PERFECT 3 for the suns....

If he is not there.. I would go with Westbrook or Rush....

I don't know enough about McGee to have an opinion either way... and I wouldn't be opposed to Love or Jordan

I would LITTERALLY THROW UP AND CRY AT THE SAME TIME, if we selected Budinger just because he went to the UofA.... or Roy Hibbert...

Whoever said Anthony Randolph would be there at 15 is smoking something really potent, because unless he losses a leg or an arm... that isn't happending....

I like Rush too, reminds me of Joe Johnson because he can take it in the lane and get his shot, which is an underrated skill IMO.

Budlinger is too soft mentally, I don't really want him at all. Mike Dunleavy Jr. types just don't do it for me.

I would probably break my TV if we drafted Hibbert, he has stiff written all over him.
 

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Hi all! nbamock.com here. Just wanted to say why I had Chase Budinger. A lot of the mock sites haven't taken into account team needs, which I try to. Reason I picked Budinger is because of Steve Kerr. Budinger seems to be a Steve Kerr type player, and he is from Arizona. I had also thought about Nicolas Batum as well which could swing from the SG-SF and who cold fill a 3pt need (at SF).

I wouldn't have pegged the Suns as needing a big because of Amare, Shaq (although Shaq hasn't really worked out very well yet), and Diaw.

edit: I didn't have Rush going until late in the 1st. Reasons being his ball handling and driving ability which at the next level to be a successful SG he will need. You have a guy in Bell who can throw up 3pt shots and hit them at a high enough clip. Plus his knee surgery, although successful, might plague him later on. If I had to guess who the Suns would pick it would have to be between Batum, and Budinger.
 
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Hi all! nbamock.com here. Just wanted to say why I had Chase Budinger. A lot of the mock sites haven't taken into account team needs, which I try to. Reason I picked Budinger is because of Steve Kerr. Budinger seems to be a Steve Kerr type player, and he is from Arizona. I had also thought about Nicolas Batum as well which could swing from the SG-SF and who cold fill a 3pt need (at SF).

I wouldn't have pegged the Suns as needing a big because of Amare, Shaq (although Shaq hasn't really worked out very well yet), and Diaw.

edit: I didn't have Rush going until late in the 1st. Reasons being his ball handling and driving ability which at the next level to be a successful SG he will need. You have a guy in Bell who can throw up 3pt shots and hit them at a high enough clip. Plus his knee surgery, although successful, might plague him later on. If I had to guess who the Suns would pick it would have to be between Batum, and Budinger.

How do you figure that Shaq hasn't worked out very well? That's just not true. It's that type of conjecture that makes others question your reasoning.
 

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When the trade was first announced there were questions about Shaq "keeping up" with the rest of the Suns. I am actually a big fan of the Suns for a long time, and to be honest I was totally against the trade at first because of the health issues with Shaq and I was afraid he wouldn't be able to run and gun with the rest of them. For the first ten or so games it was very obvious. I have to admit though that he has started to fit in late in the season imo, and the Suns started to actually win games against good teams.

The part about not working out very well is the keeping up with the rest of the team issue, and the injury bug that seems to plague him for about 30 games if not more every season. If Shaq is committed to losing some weight, and hitting the elliptical then I will see it different. I think I will need a full season to convince myself that he is a good fit with the rest of the Suns. I didn't think the Suns needed to change a thing. They should have won it all last year if it wasn't for Horry. I hope the Suns beat the heck out of the Spurs this year.. I will be rooting for the Suns.

Bottom line though is that next season will be telling, and I am already looking forward to see how the Suns do with a full season. I hope he proves me wrong, because I want to see Nash win a title. Shaq seemed unmotivated when playing for the Heat early this year. His heart wasn't in the game. Is it because he has already "done it all", and achieved everything he has set out to?

As for the draft I believe it will be a SG all the way. The whole Kerr/AZ/Budinger connection has me believing that Chase will be the pick.
 
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Hi all! nbamock.com here. Just wanted to say why I had Chase Budinger. A lot of the mock sites haven't taken into account team needs, which I try to. Reason I picked Budinger is because of Steve Kerr. Budinger seems to be a Steve Kerr type player, and he is from Arizona. I had also thought about Nicolas Batum as well which could swing from the SG-SF and who cold fill a 3pt need (at SF).

I wouldn't have pegged the Suns as needing a big because of Amare, Shaq (although Shaq hasn't really worked out very well yet), and Diaw.

edit: I didn't have Rush going until late in the 1st. Reasons being his ball handling and driving ability which at the next level to be a successful SG he will need. You have a guy in Bell who can throw up 3pt shots and hit them at a high enough clip. Plus his knee surgery, although successful, might plague him later on. If I had to guess who the Suns would pick it would have to be between Batum, and Budinger.

1- The suns need a big because of Amare. Shaq will be burnt out sooner rather than later, and he needs to train an understudy so amare can stay at the 4.

2- Batum? The passive frenchman who is criticized for inconsistent, soft and unaggressive play? Havent we met our quota on that category yet?

3- steve kerr is smart enough to know this team doesnt need a riskier and lesser version steve kerr at the moment.

we will be aiming for a defensive 5 or the next grant hill(oddly enough, batum fits that category in some ways). In the odd miracle, we will lock in a worthy point guard, but Im willing to bet we will scour the free market before heading to the draft for one of those. Shaq will be off the books once we are desperate for nash's heir (aka cp3).



Welcome to the board, and thanks for representing your site
 
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I haven't seen McGee at all playing, but from what I have wrote about him - particulary from draftexpress.com isn't very encouraging.
This is from last article from draftexpress about him:

In Short: Rare physical specimen—has an almost unprecedented combination of size, length (7-6), athleticism and fluidity, packed on a frame that should easily be able to fill out nicely. Has excellent hands, runs the floor exceptionally well, and is extremely reactive off his feet. Has an intriguing variety of skills too—the ability to knock down 3-pointers, put the ball on the floor, and execute some incredibly smooth pivot moves in the paint, finishing elegantly off the glass with excellent extension and touch. Gets off the ground impressively and can really be a factor as a shot-blocker or on the offensive glass. A late bloomer who barely played in high school and averaged just 10 minutes a game as a freshman—the sky is clearly the limit on his upside.

The problem is he’s extremely far from reaching his full potential—so far that you have to wonder if he’ll ever make it considering the way he looks at times on the court. Struggles to establish position and finish in the paint, settles for some incredibly awkward off-balance shots, and is virtually a black hole with his passing skills —averaging 4 turnovers for every 1 assist. Looks very disinterested at times, doesn’t hustle, gives up on plays, late getting back down the floor, and might be the worst man to man defender we’ve ever evaluated in the post. Gets pushed around, gambles excessively for steals, has no stance or fundamentals, doesn’t move his feet, and is a complete non-factor even against the mediocre competition he faces. According to Synergy’s “PlayType QuickTable stats,” McGee was scored on 66% of the time when being posted up in the paint (against the likes of Fresno State, Utah State, Houston, etc). Is light years away from being able to compete on an NBA level defensively, if ever.

as i said i haven't seen him myself playing, but this profile doesn't sound promising.
I would hate if Suns would take a wing with teir pick. Especially Batum, who is another Diaw type of player - can be great when shows up, it just doesn't happen very often. Maybe except Donte Green, as really like his skillset combination with his size. He can become special, just like TT ;).
Personally I would like the Suns taking a chance on Robin Lopez. I have seen some of Stanfords games this year and I kinda liked him. He seems more like a hustle guy (I like nbadraft.net comparisons to Varejao and Biedrins) with good defence. He need another big man to play besides him (like his Brook) to be most effective, otherwise he tends to dissapear, but then again we have Amare. I think he would be very good besides Amare.

He will have some trouble to be number one guy up front, but I think could be very good in Suns system along side Amare.
He will probably never be a star, but he will be very nice complemetary big men for many years. And for 15th pick I think that is a nice choice and pretty low risk one too.
 
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I know we are mostly focused on need and size, but the guy in the Suns range that most impressed me during the NCAA's was Chris Douglas Roberts of Memphis. His stats were incredible: 18.1 ppg, 54.1% and 41.3% for three, and 4.1 rpg (good for a guard).

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Chris-Douglas-Roberts-506/

April 2, 2008
Although he’s getting nowhere near the same NBA draft attention as his teammate Derrick Rose, Chris Douglas-Roberts is having every bit as good a season, if not much better when taking the entire year into account. Recently named a first-team All-American, and on the heels of back to back 25 points games in the Sweet 16 and Elite Eight to help propel Memphis into the Final Four, he’s forcing NBA scouts to adjust to his unorthodox game. Douglas-Roberts puts up some of the best all-around numbers of any wing prospect in this draft, but many people still have a hard time getting over his awkward, hunched over posture on the court, his skinny frame, and unconventional ball-handling and scoring style. “Nothing he does is pretty,” told us one respected NBA executive, “but he finds a way to but the ball in the hole, even though he moves like he’s 60 years old.”

Does CDR, as he’s called, have the physical tools needed to play heavy minutes as a swingman in the NBA? “He’s not an athletic freak, but to me that’s not really a concern,” tells us the same NBA talent evaluator—“he makes one or two plays every game that make you go ‘holy ****’--finding a way into the lane and then absolutely tearing the rim off. Being the best player on possibly the best team in America has to say something…”

The numbers are pretty staggering when you look at them and compare what he’s doing with his peers in this draft class. On a per-40 minute pace adjusted basis, Douglas-Roberts ranks in the top five in scoring amongst realistic shooting guard prospects, as well as #1 by a large margin in FG%, top five in 3-point percentage, top 5 in free throw attempts, top 5 in PER, top 5 in points per possession, top 5 in true shooting percentage, top 5 in effective field goal percentage, and 8th best in turnovers per possession.

While his numbers are up across the board from last season to this, what’s even more interesting is just how much Douglas-Roberts has changed his playing style…According to Synergy Sports Technology’s quantified player reports, jump-shots (mid-range and 3-pointers) only accounted for 24% of CDR’s offense last season, of which he converted only 35%. This season, jumpers account for 46% of his offense, and he is converting on 43% of them. He looked fairly limited last season in the fact when he put the ball on the floor, he strongly preferred going right (61%), while this season he’s almost even at 49% right, and 51% left. Last season, when he started slashing, it was pretty obvious that he was going all the way to the rack—as he only pulled up off the dribble 12% of the time. This season, that number has risen to 58%. Even though he takes it all the way to the rack slightly less often, he still gets to the free throw line at a better rate, and converts on his shots at the rim on a phenomenal 64% clip, compared with “just” 57% last season.

Douglas-Roberts has his limitations. He’s not the type of player you isolate out on the perimeter and ask to go to work creating his own shot, as his first step just isn’t that great. He is very good when receiving the ball in motion, though, as Memphis’ offense is patently known for, with a hand-off or an NFL style option/lateral pass. Once you get him going in space, he’s tremendous due to his terrific body control, slithery nose for the rim, solid vertical leap, ability to dribble and finish with either hand, creativity and all-around tenacity. He’s the type of player who just refuses to be contained, but rather than driving head-first into brick walls, also has terrific instincts for how to get his shot off effectively. You would think that his lack of bulk would hinder him from finishing around the rim, but that just doesn’t seem to be the case, largely because of his will.

His in-between game is definitely the part of his game that has improved the most this season. Rather than pull-up off the dribble in traditional fashion like most players, he instead prefers to use some very crafty floaters with range that extends all the way out to the free throw line, sometimes using the glass. It’s an unorthodox way of scoring, but it really works, as he releases the ball just too quick for opposing players to contest or block. He can shoot it “normally” too, as he sometimes does, and gets pretty good results here too.

From behind the arc, Douglas-Roberts has improved substantially this season as well, knocking down over twice as many 3-pointers, while improving his percentages from 33% to nearly 42%. He still doesn’t attempt that many shots from that range, just over 2 and a half per game, but it’s hard to fault him considering that he shoots 58% from inside the arc, and gets to the free throw line 5 and a half times per game. His 3-point stroke looks pretty fluid, although it’s not particularly quick, and it seems that in time he should be able to develop NBA range at least with his feet set, even if this will probably never be his bread and butter.

On the other end of the floor, Douglas-Roberts is an integral part of one of the best defenses in all of college basketball. He has great size for the wing position at 6-7, to go along with an excellent wingspan, and is just as tenacious here as he is one the offensive side. His lateral quickness is not top-notch, although his tough, pesky nature helps compensate for most limitations he might have on this end.

Douglas-Roberts is widely expected to declare for the draft this year, and definitely has a strong case to be drafted in the first round, possibly even the top-20. His versatile offensive skills, combined with his size, length, outstanding instincts and overwhelmingly impressive numbers lead you to believe that he will have a long and successful NBA career, particularly when you take into account his intangibles, which are reportedly outstanding. He has a strong work ethic, is an excellent teammate, is very well-spoken, and has a will to succeed and win that can’t be taught. A big game this weekend in the Final Four would certainly not hurt his cause, though.
 

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I hope we can get Tyler Hansbrough, Kevin Love, or Brandon Rush. I really hope we pass on Budinger or he re-considers and goes back to Arizona. I just don't think he is NBA ready. He struggled last year and he doesn't play a lick of defense, something we need.
 

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CDR impressed me to no end in the Final 4. He had no problem at all getting his shot off against Westbrook and then had a very good first half against Rush in the finals.

He does look unconventional but it goes in. Just wish he was stronger you see a frame like that and you worry about an 82 game schedule. For every Tayshaun Prince who thrives at that build there's a lot of guys who wear down.
 

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I hope we can get Tyler Hansbrough, Kevin Love, or Brandon Rush. I really hope we pass on Budinger or he re-considers and goes back to Arizona. I just don't think he is NBA ready. He struggled last year and he doesn't play a lick of defense, something we need.

I think all four of those guys might be available when Phoenix turn comes, but I really and truly hope Suns will pass on all 4 of them !
 

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At best, Love reminds me of Collison - a good backup but no upside. He also reminds me of Sean May, which is not a good thing.
 
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