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Who do you want as next ASU Football coach?
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I thought they hired Kelly. Weird
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How do we know he's the real deal? My idea for the next ASU coach is not the USD head coach on his first go around. He is far from proven and I don't want to take that big of a risk
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they should hire dennis green cause most likely he will be fired by the arizona cardinals
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But it wouldnt require it. Grobe has run the spread, the wishbone, and the flex offense at Air Force, Ohio U, and now Wake. He truly would run the offense that best fit his personel.
By the way he just got named ACC coach of the year.!
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According to ESPN last night, they hired Kelly, then today the news broke that it was Chizik.
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I'm gonna throw another name out there, purely for discussion purposes.
Jim Leavitt. The guy literally built South Florida's football program from the ground up, and although the Bulls aren't going to be knocking on the National Title Game picture anytime soon, the fact that he's gotten them in to two straight Bowl Games and if I'm not mistaken, the Bulls have yet to have a losing record since moving over to Division 1 in 2001.
Don't know if the Devils can get him to leave Tampa (he's got roots in the Bay Area) but if they could, he's another of those under-the-radar guys who I think could be a good hire for ASU.
Jim Leavitt. The guy literally built South Florida's football program from the ground up, and although the Bulls aren't going to be knocking on the National Title Game picture anytime soon, the fact that he's gotten them in to two straight Bowl Games and if I'm not mistaken, the Bulls have yet to have a losing record since moving over to Division 1 in 2001.
Don't know if the Devils can get him to leave Tampa (he's got roots in the Bay Area) but if they could, he's another of those under-the-radar guys who I think could be a good hire for ASU.
ISU had a pep rally for Chizik like 4 or 5 days ago. It's been known that he was going to be the coach for quite some time.
Also, I'm totally with you on Jim Leavitt. I don't think he'll leave USF, but he is an amazing coach.
1. Why would Tom O'Brien leave a very good job at BC where he is top dog to come to a bottom tier PAC10 school?
2. I think Petrino would jump at this job. Louisville is on a fast road to nowhere. Their biggest advantage is in recruiting - they have no standards at all - and admit anyone with a heartbeat. ASU does too, so Petrino doesn't have to worry about admin meddling.
3. I like Bo Pelini. He's already working at a football factory, so he gets it. Just win baby. Don't worry about academics and rap sheets - just win.
I'm not being cynical. To compete with USC, you've got to be willing to break every rule, like Kush used to and Pete Carroll now does.
2. I think Petrino would jump at this job. Louisville is on a fast road to nowhere. Their biggest advantage is in recruiting - they have no standards at all - and admit anyone with a heartbeat. ASU does too, so Petrino doesn't have to worry about admin meddling.
3. I like Bo Pelini. He's already working at a football factory, so he gets it. Just win baby. Don't worry about academics and rap sheets - just win.
I'm not being cynical. To compete with USC, you've got to be willing to break every rule, like Kush used to and Pete Carroll now does.
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What in the world are you talking about? O'brien has to deal with academic standards at BC and has a limited talent pool to work with. He almost left for the Washington job before Willingham took it so he is very open to leaving. Him and his wife visit the valley every year and love it. BTW, ASU is NOT a bottom tier PAC-10 school
Petrino would leave Louisville, where all he has to do is win 8 games a year to get to a BCS game, to come to ASU? So O'brien would stay at a school like BC but Petrino would leave his peachy situation in Louisville? I have no idea where your coming from on this one.
Suggesting the new coaching staff break rules to compete with a school like USC is cynical. How many PR nightmares have we gone through yet you suggest cheating to even the playing field (you don't even know if SC is cheating anyways)? You ever realize that USC might recruit itself? Or maybe realize that Carroll and his staff had no idea what Bush was doing off the field?
I know when I was at ASU, an all-pac LB (I think his name was Vernon Maxwell) was enrolled in my marketing class but never attended but I saw him on finals day taking his test by himself in the professor's office.
Later, my new neighbor was the ASU student manager in charge of collecting parking money and distributing it to the football players during Frank Kush's last 3 years.
About 10 years ago, my optometrist was a Sun Angel who bragged openly about paying players.
ASU and UofA both cheat big time IMO. So do USC and Ohio State. I think Michigan and Penn State are clean and work hard to stay that way.
Conversely, the whole SEC except Vanderbilt cheats. Florida State and Miami elevate cheating to an art form.
ASU NEEDS to cheat to win. We aren't Cal or Stanford. We are a very ordinary giant factory of a state school and I see nothing wrong with exploiting some dumb future residents of tent city to entertain us. Along the way, some of those kids will actually take advantage of the education.
Later, my new neighbor was the ASU student manager in charge of collecting parking money and distributing it to the football players during Frank Kush's last 3 years.
About 10 years ago, my optometrist was a Sun Angel who bragged openly about paying players.
ASU and UofA both cheat big time IMO. So do USC and Ohio State. I think Michigan and Penn State are clean and work hard to stay that way.
Conversely, the whole SEC except Vanderbilt cheats. Florida State and Miami elevate cheating to an art form.
ASU NEEDS to cheat to win. We aren't Cal or Stanford. We are a very ordinary giant factory of a state school and I see nothing wrong with exploiting some dumb future residents of tent city to entertain us. Along the way, some of those kids will actually take advantage of the education.
Tell us how you really feel, Skorpp? 
Almost every school "cheats". The biggest cheater of them all is the NCAA themselves. NCAA=HYPROCRISY... Someone needs the balls to walk away from them and start their own "Super College League".
- ASU is not a bottom-tier Pac-10 school. A few small things need to happen (in my mind) to bring ASU back to national recognition...
1.) Bring in an ENFORCER who commands respect. Someone that makes a kid think twice about drinking on weeknights. Or, doesn't dare call him by his last name.
Lisa Love should place a call to Jeff Tedford or Mike Belotti. Who cares if you rankle a few feathers?
2.) Play your home games at night. Screw this 1:00 p.m. kickoff crap for $$$. Fans are creatures of habit. Sun Devil Stadium is a heck of an atmosphere on Saturday nights.
The previous excuse was that the East Coast didn't get their newspaper results until Sunday. With the Internet... that's a moot point.
3.) Keep the local kids at home. The talent base out here is a lot better than mst people think. And, it's only getting better. It should, with PHX being the 6th largest metro in the U.S.
Some of ASU's best teams had local, home-grown talent.
Almost every school "cheats". The biggest cheater of them all is the NCAA themselves. NCAA=HYPROCRISY... Someone needs the balls to walk away from them and start their own "Super College League".
- ASU is not a bottom-tier Pac-10 school. A few small things need to happen (in my mind) to bring ASU back to national recognition...
1.) Bring in an ENFORCER who commands respect. Someone that makes a kid think twice about drinking on weeknights. Or, doesn't dare call him by his last name.
Lisa Love should place a call to Jeff Tedford or Mike Belotti. Who cares if you rankle a few feathers?
2.) Play your home games at night. Screw this 1:00 p.m. kickoff crap for $$$. Fans are creatures of habit. Sun Devil Stadium is a heck of an atmosphere on Saturday nights.
The previous excuse was that the East Coast didn't get their newspaper results until Sunday. With the Internet... that's a moot point.
3.) Keep the local kids at home. The talent base out here is a lot better than mst people think. And, it's only getting better. It should, with PHX being the 6th largest metro in the U.S.
Some of ASU's best teams had local, home-grown talent.
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Where do you come with this stuff? Ohio St is the only school on that list that has gotten in trouble for cheating. ASU and UofA cheat but Mich and Penn St are on the straight and narrow?
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A name I'm starting to hear more and more is Dennis Erickson. Love was at SC when they picked Carroll over him at the last second and is still intruiged by him. There is no doubt he is a great coach but our program cannot afford his baggage. He is a recovering alcoholic, leaves nearly every job for other opportunities, and is known for recruiting thugs. With us just starting to recover from off field nightmares, Erickson would not be a good hire. Once again, this is just a rumor and probably has no merit.
Side note, Corso and Herbstreit said on ESPN last night that the ASU job is a "Top 5 job in the country" and that we're a "sleeping giant." Also said that this job is better then any other available job. Very interesting.
My top-3: 1) O'brien, 2) Pelini (LL has no interest), distant T3) McGinnis/Fassel/Chow
Side note, Corso and Herbstreit said on ESPN last night that the ASU job is a "Top 5 job in the country" and that we're a "sleeping giant." Also said that this job is better then any other available job. Very interesting.
My top-3: 1) O'brien, 2) Pelini (LL has no interest), distant T3) McGinnis/Fassel/Chow
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Ron English, and I have heard alot around campus the last week that he will be the guy.
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I would bet a lot of money that he won't be the guy
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Hide the women and children if Dennis Erickson is hired.
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There's no way it will happen. I have a feeling he's the guy some boosters want and are taking it to the media. No way Lisa Love brings baggage like that in, especially in the wake of all the off field turmoil we're gradually overcoming
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Why don't you believe he would be the guy? He coached at ASU, so already has ties there....and with the increase in responsibility at Michigan he has responded by turning the #36 D in the country into the #6 in his first year as coordinator? I could be wrong, BUT I believe he will be the guy we hire.
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It's widely known our next HC will be a big named candidate, has major head coaching experience, who will quickly turn this program around and fill up SDS. Ron English is far from that candidate. Lisa Love listed some of those qualifications the night she fired Koetter. If Bo Pelini isn't being considered then Ron English definitely isn't being considered.
I'm really lost as to why people think Ron English is such a good candidate. Look at what he inherited this year in his first year as DC- a dline, lb's, and a secondary loaded with experience and NFL talent. Michigans schedule was as cupcake as it gets, Ohio St showed Michigans D isn't as good as its panned out to be. If it weren't for those 3 fumbles by the center, Ohio St might have dropped 60 on them.
He was HORRIBLE while here as DB coach, horrible. Koetter didn't attempt to keep him and for good reason. I have no problem saying Bill Miller is a much better DC then English. Miller turning the 114th worst defense into the 27th best in one season (with FAR LESS to work with) is leaps and bounds better then English going from 36th to 6th.
The only thing English brings to the table is he knows how to recruit this region and knows the high school coaches. Thats it
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And we know how far succesfully recruiting Arizona preps will take a football program.
People have been saying the same about the ASU basketball program since I have been alive and guys with great success in other places cannot do anything with the job. That being said, ASU Football is a much better job compared to ASU Basketball where the players have to practice at a high school in Glendale. Anyways, ASU, Arizona, or any other school in the country that lacks a strong local talent base from which to recruit will never be a Top 5 job in the country unless that changes or Texas and USC go into the crapper (see rise of Arizona Bball coinciding with UCLA/UNLV/Oklahoma downfall) which would send SoCal and Texas kids elsewhere.
I'll say it once and I'll say it again - every elite college football program has one or more of three things going for them - tradition, local talent, or huge AD budget. None of which apply to ASU at this time. As much as I hope it would be Florida State of the West (as that would make Arizona the Florida of the West) it's a vision born in wishful thinking and not reality.
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Exactly. Of course there are always good prospects in AZ but you have to recruit California and Texas to be competitive. English has ties there too but thats the last thing I'm worried about in a HC. With Phx getting so big, there will be more prospects coming up but it won't change much. There are only so many Suggs, Heaps, Millers, McDonalds, Wades, etc that are form AZ and stay here.
Look at one of the best reruits in the country this year, DE Eversonn Griffin (from PHX), who isn't even considering UofA or ASU. Thats the problem with USC next door. It's vital for schools in this state to out recruit Cal, Stanford, Texas A&M, UCLA, Texas Tech, Oregon for the recruits that USC doesn't want. There are plenty of 4 star prospects that schools like ASU could get and turn them into very successful players- if the coaching staff can develop them like their supposed to
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Tom O'Brien was hired as the next NC State head coach. Bad news for me, have to search for a new avator
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