Who is tired with the same Whiz BS during Post game presser??

[kerouac9]

That's a very astute observation.

A lot does fall on Kolb's shoulders, it's all about how you look at it, no matter what play is called there's reads he has to make, hot routes, decisions that he has to make which ultimately effect the play.

This is as I've pointed out many times, complicated by the fact that he's only had so much time with these guys.

I just don't see how we ever expected someone could come in on short notice with very little work within the offense or with the players and be that good.

So all I look for from here on is progress, and that too can be misleading, because as you said as fast as he's catching on to our players, the rest of the NFL is catching on to how he's playing within our offense.

It's not a race he's likely to win a lot this year.

Now next year after a full camp and offseason with these players I'd expect a quantum leap in his execution and frankly from what I've seen so far when I factor in all he's going through, I'm happy with him, he's exceeded my expectations.

He's better than DA by a mile, but you aren't going to see probowl consistent performance out of him this year IMO, he's got too much to deal with.

I don't think anyone's looking for that. I'm looking to see consistent performance, and even in wins, I don't think that's what we've gotten. Too many times when he loses the strike zone and doesn't get the immediate big play and the defense is back on the field.

I'd like to see him have some consistent drives that aren't when the defensive secondary blows a play or Fitz saves a dumb pass. His numbers were good for the first two games, but he hasn't shown me anything to say that he's among the top 12-15 QBs in the NFL right now, and as a fifth-year veteran, I'm dubious he's going to get much better than he is right now (dubious, not certain).

Hopefully it's just getting more and more comfortable in the offense and with his personnel, but I hope that these guys are also working after hours to get this stuff done. At some point we as fans need to decide when "well, there was no offseason" stops being an excuse for being the 22nd-ranked scoring offense in the NFL.

 

[conraddobler]

I don't think anyone's looking for that. I'm looking to see consistent performance, and even in wins, I don't think that's what we've gotten. Too many times when he loses the strike zone and doesn't get the immediate big play and the defense is back on the field.

I'd like to see him have some consistent drives that aren't when the defensive secondary blows a play or Fitz saves a dumb pass. His numbers were good for the first two games, but he hasn't shown me anything to say that he's among the top 12-15 QBs in the NFL right now, and as a fifth-year veteran, I'm dubious he's going to get much better than he is right now (dubious, not certain).

Hopefully it's just getting more and more comfortable in the offense and with his personnel, but I hope that these guys are also working after hours to get this stuff done. At some point we as fans need to decide when "well, there was no offseason" stops being an excuse for being the 22nd-ranked scoring offense in the NFL.

I'm not that worried yet, you could look at it glass half full or half empty on the guy, but so far from what I've seen I see the potential to dominate.

He throws out gaudy stats once every few games and he only has so many starts so far.

I don't care how long he's been in the league I consider anyone with less than 16 starts a rookie, nothing you do in practice is the same as when the live bullets fly.

I realize not everyone shares this view but that's just my take on it, it takes a while to get used to live action and anytime a player flashes that good of games with ridiculous ratings in his first 16 starts you have to be curious as to how this is going to end up, JMO.

Time will tell, he needs to sit in the pocket longer, less rollouts, he needs to complete his progressions and stop locking in on just a couple guys and he needs to trust in the coverage he sees and look for a guy he knows is likely to be there and open, all that takes some time.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Andre Roberts and Early Doucet are running open downfield at times, but Kolb isn't finding them.

unless you've been to every game, or somehow have a direct overhead camera link to the games on TV, you really can't say with any authority that this is this case.

I went to the Carolina game... didn't seem like Roberts was ever getting open and save one great catch and run, Doucet wasn't getting open either. not sure what happened in the next two games as TV doesn't show downfield plays, but the above is an assumption made completely devoid of actual information.

i have seen roberts drop a couple passes, one crucial one on the sidelines in the last game on the final drive... and then saw him catch a ball at the 40 and for some idiotic reason instead of running out of bounds with ticks left on the clock, ran into the middle of the field with no time left on the clock.

 

[kerouac9]

unless you've been to every game, or somehow have a direct overhead camera link to the games on TV, you really can't say with any authority that this is this case.

I went to the Carolina game... didn't seem like Roberts was ever getting open and save one great catch and run, Doucet wasn't getting open either. not sure what happened in the next two games as TV doesn't show downfield plays, but the above is an assumption made completely devoid of actual information.

i have seen roberts drop a couple passes, one crucial one on the sidelines in the last game on the final drive... and then saw him catch a ball at the 40 and for some idiotic reason instead of running out of bounds with ticks left on the clock, ran into the middle of the field with no time left on the clock.

Wofley and Pasch have said it multiple times during in-game telecasts, and Urban repeated that the secondary WRs are open on Cardinals Underground yesterday. Coach Whis has said the same thing in multiple press conferences. Maybe he's throwing his handpicked QB under the bus? If you don't believe me, logic it out:

A defense who is rushing 4 on average has 7 men in coverage. Say that 2 of them are dedicated to Fitz and another has over-the-top coverage (free safety). Then you have 3 defenders to cover the TE, RB, and one WR. I think in the NFL it's fair to say that a starting-caliber WR should be able to win an individual battle in single coverage.

Did I see secondary receivers winning single coverage in the Panthers game? I did; I have no idea whether or not the cameras caught it. Is it safe to believe that Roberts and Doucet are legitimate NFL players (i.e., capable of winning one-on-one battles against single defenders)? I believe they are.

I'm not sure what this has to do with my original point: Teams with legit #1 WRs just don't have #2 WRs the way that people are talking about them anymore. The outliers are Roddy White and nothing-proven Julio Jones in the ATL and Maclin and Jackson in Philly. Funny how those are the two most disappointing offenses in the NFL right now. The days of Chad Johnson and T.J. Houshmanzadeh, Fitz and Q, etc. are done now. It's not cost effective to pay two WRs; most teams seem to be finding a receiving TE who creates more interesting matchup challenges for defenses.

I've never seen a larger class of pass-catching TEs in the NFL than there are right now. Five years ago in fantasy football if you didn't draft Gonzales, Gates, Witten, or Dallas Clark you were basically SOL. Now there are probably 20 TEs in the NFL that are basically interchangeable in value.

 

[Duckjake]

I've never seen a larger class of pass-catching TEs in the NFL than there are right now. Five years ago in fantasy football if you didn't draft Gonzales, Gates, Witten, or Dallas Clark you were basically SOL. Now there are probably 20 TEs in the NFL that are basically interchangeable in value.
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Interesting thought. Andre Johnson/Owen Daniels, Greg Jennings/Jermichael Finley, Reggie Wayne/Dallas Clark, Roddy White/Tony Gonzalez, Steve Smith/Greg Olsen, Santonio Holmes/Dustin Keller, Miles Austin/Jason Witten, Wes Welker/Rob Gronkowski........