Who Starts"

[desertdawg]

It's funny to me, Kob gets kicked in the head and then everybody posts like they got kicked in the head. I can spin it too. Niners didn't lose to Skelton because they prepared for Kob, they lost because their defense didn't adjust to what came out in the second half, which was a lot of bull **** running, and some awesome passes, but we stuck to both. I don't care which works, we have to stick to both for our QB to be successful. Since we've up'd our running %, we've up'd our winning %, no matter who's taking the snap.

Skelton is a fascinating case in Phx, especially with all the scrubs getting Teboned, winning % gets people riled up. A lot of folks see the defense a part of the equation as well.

The way I see it going down, Skelton has benifeted from Kob's injuries (yes, I got the plural right), and has shown that we don't have to look for a #2 QB at all. If Skelton starts on Sunday, I am confident we win. If Kolb can go, I think we have a better shot at winning the game, plain and simple. But that's just me, I will be wearing the Kob jersey, winning streak and all. I like both of these guys, so what the hell.

 

[TJ]

We'll know more wednesday. According to Kolb, he thinks he passed the baseline neurological tests.

 

[gamebird98]

We'll know more wednesday. According to Kolb, he thinks he passed the baseline neurological tests.

lol....the fact "He thinks" he passed and doesn't know kinda scares me a little. lol

 

[Duckjake]

We have to start Kolb if he is healthy. Skelton had a good second half but got a few fortunate breaks. We have to see what Kolb has, and don't tell me it is not about $$$$, it is. If he can't do it for us, we will be looking at acquiring another QB.

I still think that with the current state of our offensive line we need the bigger QB. And that is the 6'6" 245lb Skelator. Keith and Brown are likely to get Kolb killed.

 

[Totally_Red]

If Kevin Kolb is cleared, he starts. That doesn't mean he finishes if he and the offense struggle.

I would give Skelton more reps than usual in practice this week though.

 

[kerouac9]

Kevin Kolb has to play if he's healthy enough to. Kolb said on Bickley and MJ yesterday that he's already had two "serious" concussions before this one. Really excellent work by Graves and the staff shelling out $60 million to a guy who's a hit away from "scrambled eggs."

Unfortunately, MJ is already saying that no matter what happens Kolb is going to get his big bonus in March and be on the roster come training camp. It's a shame, because I'm not sure there are 5 NFL teams who would rather have Kolb than the guy they've got.

 

[devilalum]

I say Kolb still isn't "good enough" to play.

 

[Pariah]

Unfortunately, MJ is already saying that no matter what happens Kolb is going to get his big bonus in March and be on the roster come training camp.

Makes you wonder why they structured it that way, then. You'd think it was to make sure they weren't shelling out a ton of money for a guy that didn't deserve it...but then here they are talking about giving all that money to a guy that doesn't deserve it.

 

[Dougmo]

Kolb. We need to see what we have.
If he can't go, I'd be excited to see what Skelton can do.

Fortunately/Unfortunately - they're pretty much a wash at this point.

 

[CFLredzoned]

Kolb. We need to see what we have.
If he can't go, I'd be excited to see what Skelton can do.

Fortunately/Unfortunately - they're pretty much a wash at this point.

Yeah, this. The fact that we can even be having this argument shows that they're pretty close. Not the greatest situation when the season is almost over and you're still trying to figure out who's better - your starter or your backup. What muddies the water is that fact the we technically have a chance of making the playoffs. So we probably shouldn't be in exerimentation mode at this point.

So far, I still think the best QB play we've seen this season was Kolb in the second half vs Dallas. But he's teased us like that before. Right now, I think I have more confidence in Skelton going out and winning a game against Cleveland. But if we see the same Kolb we saw against Dallas in the second half... I think we're supposed to buy into the idea that sitting on the bench for a month, watching Skelton win games, a light bulb went off in Kolb's head. Maybe it did. Hopefully, 3 more games is enough to give us that definitive answer we've all been looking for. Yeah right!

 

[john h]

Kolb

We still have a remote chance at the playoffs. Who has the best chance of winning at QB? Statistically it is Skelton by about 10 lengths. Until we are out of contention officially we should put the guy out there that has the best chance to win. After or if we are eliminated I do not care who they put out there. Just because we paid a fortune for Kolb should not be the driving factor on who starts. You start the best guy. I suspect the other team players know who should start and will not be real happy if we cave in to who gets paid the most.

 

[john h]

If Kolb is completely healthy, then start him. Otherwise, go with Skelton & let Kolb rest for the tougher matchup next week on the road with Cincy. Skelton is definitely a better QB at home than on the road.

Are you saying Kolb should start because he is a better QB? If so then what do you base that on?

 

[JCSunsfan]

Kolb is the starter and Skelton is the backup. They are quite close. But that is the way it is until one of them separates himself from the other significantly.

Kolb has had unfortunate injuries that have hampered his integration into the offense. He has showed flashes of what could be.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Eventhough the Cardinals should start Doube Deuce they will start Kolb because they paid so much for him.

So, instead of starting the QB who is winning games for them, they are going to pull a P.R. move and start Kolb.

Why a team that is so poor at P.R. situations would care is beyond me. Nothing is going to make the organization look any better, especially with one of the best DE's in the league still waiting to hear for the team about a contrract extension.

 

[kerouac9]

Kolb is the starter and Skelton is the backup. They are quite close. But that is the way it is until one of them separates himself from the other significantly.

Kolb has had unfortunate injuries that have hampered his integration into the offense. He has showed flashes of what could be.

When?

 

[Pariah]

When?

Seriously. Even in the preseason I didn't see the flashes that many thought they were seeing.

I get that the team needs to get him on the field to see if he can play himself out of this godawful season, but he hasn't looked god all year.

 

[BigRedRage]

When?

+1 unless flashes of what he could be is running scared, erratic, clumsy injury prone play.

Nothing he has done has stood out to me and said no wonder we signed this guy. Skelton excites me much more, his arm and poise are serious, the more he plays the better his D reading will be.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Um, no, he's not.

Um, yes, he is.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Don't bother to argue Skelton fans are gonna argue he is better regardless if that's reality or not.

Wow!

Said the same thing about Kolb fans yesterday. Who wudda thunk it !

 

[kerouac9]

Seriously. Even in the preseason I didn't see the flashes that many thought they were seeing.

I get that the team needs to get him on the field to see if he can play himself out of this godawful season, but he hasn't looked god all year.

This isn't to say that Kolb can't make big plays--both quarterbacks have been productive making big plays. But I haven't seen the "flashes" where Kolb is able to put together 30-yard-plus drives back-to-back-to-back that keep the defense off the field and eat up clock while maybe just getting a field goal or something.

I'd like to see Kolb convert third downs more consistently and find a wide receiver as often for targets as he locates the sideline.

 

[JCSunsfan]

When?

I was thinking about the second half of the Dallas game.

Listen. I do not care if Kolb or Skelton is the starter. I just want to truly find out who is best. The playoffs this year would be a bonus. I am more concerned about next year. I just don't think we really have had the opportunity to see what we have in Kolb yet.

 

[BigRedRage]

This isn't to say that Kolb can't make big plays--both quarterbacks have been productive making big plays. But I haven't seen the "flashes" where Kolb is able to put together 30-yard-plus drives back-to-back-to-back that keep the defense off the field and eat up clock while maybe just getting a field goal or something.

I'd like to see Kolb convert third downs more consistently and find a wide receiver as often for targets as he locates the sideline.

Kolb seems to simply not find fitz which is super frustrating and on top of that, seems to hit roberts very little too. WEhen skelton comes in and starts hitting 5 WR every time and doing it well I start to wonder why people like kolb.

anyone care to break down kolb to fitz vs skelton to fitz on this years stats?

 

[kerouac9]

I was thinking about the second half of the Dallas game.

Listen. I do not care if Kolb or Skelton is the starter. I just want to truly find out who is best. The playoffs this year would be a bonus. I am more concerned about next year. I just don't think we really have had the opportunity to see what we have in Kolb yet.

I get that, but let's see what actually happened there.

Kolb was 2 of 3 as a passer in the 3rd quarter for 22 yards in a drive that netted 6 first downs but only 1 3rd down. Drive ended with a field goal after failing to cash in after first-and-goal from the 5.

Second drive Kolb went 2 for 3 for 62 yards. Kolb converted a 3rd and 3 with a nifty pass to Andre Roberts. Drive ends with Beanie punching one in.

Third drive Kolb goes 1 for 3 for 14 yards and takes a sack on 2nd and 9, followed up by a false start on Colledge.

Fourth drive is a three-and-out aided by Kolb going oh for 2.

So you end up with Kolb going five of 11 for 98 yards (a very good 8.9 YPA, though) on a half of football that gets you all of 10 points.

If this is as good as Kolb can be, then this team is in a lot of trouble.

 

[Shane]

Kolb seems to simply not find fitz which is super frustrating and on top of that, seems to hit roberts very little too. WEhen skelton comes in and starts hitting 5 WR every time and doing it well I start to wonder why people like kolb.

anyone care to break down kolb to fitz vs skelton to fitz on this years stats?

When Kolb is playing Fitz is averaging 4.6 reception a game and 17.3 YPC

When Skelton is playing Fitz averages 4.4 catches per game and 18.0 YPC

Dont think these stats back up your theory whatsoever.

Roberts Averages 2.3 Receptions with Kolb and 3.1 without him.

 

[BigRedRage]

When Kolb is playing Fitz is averaging 4.6 reception a game and 17.3 YPC

When Skelton is playing Fitz averages 4.4 catches per game and 18.0 YPC

Dont think these stats back up your theory whatsoever.

Roberts Averages 2.3 Receptions with Kolb and 3.1 without him.

eye test shows kolb doesnt find the guys, stats say otherwise. I sure felt though every time kolb was in, fitz barely got looked at yet when skeltons in, he gets at least 10 targets.