Why does Beanie only have three carries????

[Krangodnzr]

This is the problem with the Cards run game. It doesn't matter if it is Beanie or Timmy. TH had at least two of over 20 but then they turn around and have way too many runs that go for nothing regardless of who is carrying the football.

It's Grimm. Has been since he came to Arizona. Time for him to go.

No on most of those plays the Rams had eight in the box and sent run blitzes. If we could gash them with a long pass play occasionally, teams couldn't play us that way.

But I do agree Grimm hasn't elevated the talent on the o line. The only player that has been developed under Grimm in 4 seasons is Brandon Keith.

 

[Dayman]

Yea on about 6 of those 8 he was engulfed behind the LOS. Not really indicative of the RB. Alo way to look at the whole picture as most typical Beanie jockers. Lets disregard the 3 carries over 20.

So Hightower's bad plays aren't indicative of the running back, but his good plays are all him? At least you don't have an agenda.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Can Beanie can be coached out of being tripped up so easily?

Possibly, but I doubt it.

Honestly that and his blocking are keeping him from being a special player. He's got the speed, strength, and vision of a very good running back.

 

[WarnerHOF]

Remind me again how Chris Johnson and Titans are doing the past couple of weeks with no passing offense and bad run blocking? They also went 8-8 last year and 0-6 with Kerry Collins despite CJ running for 2000 yards.

 

[Krangodnzr]

So Hightower's bad plays aren't indicative of the running back, but his good plays are all him? At least you don't have an agenda.

I know you're talking to Shane here, but did you even watch the game?

On nearly all those aforementioned carries, THT had no chance of getting anything. It's more indicative of the way teams are playing us: Stop the run, force DA to beat you with the pass. Or you could call it stopping the run on the way to QB.

 

[Shane]

So Hightower's bad plays aren't indicative of the running back, but his good plays are all him? At least you don't have an agenda.

No Its called thie BIG PICTURE. Even with his bad plays what was his YPC again? Lok at that and come back to me. What is their YPC so far this season between the two of them? Look that up and get back to me.

Your the one that picked out the certain runs and brought it up rather than looking at whole picture.

 

[THESMEL]

THT

THT did fantastic bouncing it out and running from pass formations.

But the Bean setting the tone, running formations at least 50%,
and we have a great oline, ST and a defense at least off the bottom of the NFL.

Skelton has a chance if Whiz balances it up and feeds the Bean. Who do you want with the pressure The Bean against 8 man fronts or skelton,
those 8 man fronts include 2 blitzers,

and I aint talking Blitzen the reindeer either. The playcaller has never kept them honest, for years, at least since Haley or the GB playoff game last year.

you know the 3 score lead we lost with Mike Adams covering and pass rushing?

Yea on about 6 of those 8 he was engulfed behind the LOS. Not really indicative of the RB. Alo way to look at the whole picture as most typical Beanie jockers. Lets disregard the 3 carries over 20.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Look, I haven't jocked THT until recently. I was a Beanie Wells guy until I realized that I could shoestring tackle the guy.

THT just gets more out of his runs.

 

[Shane]

Possibly, but I doubt it.

Honestly that and his blocking are keeping him from being a special player. He's got the speed, strength, and vision of a very good running back.

That cannot be coached!

 

[Duckjake]

No Its called thie BIG PICTURE. Even with his bad plays what was his YPC again? Lok at that and come back to me. What is their YPC so far this season between the two of them? Look that up and get back to me.

Your the one that picked out the certain runs and brought it up rather than looking at whole picture.

The BIG PICTURE is first downs not yards per carry. What good does it do to have a 45 yard run to the opponents 35 yard line only to get 1,1,and none on the next three runs and have to try a FG?

I'll trade the Cards 50 yards on 2 carries and 8 for 0 for 10 for 3.5 a run any day.

 

[Proteus]

So does Beanie have any trade value?

 

[Shane]

The BIG PICTURE is first downs not yards per carry. What good does it do to have a 45 yard run to the opponents 35 yard line only to get 1,1,and none on the next three runs and have to try a FG?

I'll trade the Cards 50 yards on 2 carries and 8 for 0 for 10 for 3.5 a run any day.

The measuring stick for a RB is essentially YPC. Like it or not. It is what it is.

 

[Buckybird]

It is a fan based myth that if you can't pass you can't run.

The 2010 Arizona Cardinals are proving that myth correct

 

[Dayman]

No Its called thie BIG PICTURE. Even with his bad plays what was his YPC again? Lok at that and come back to me. What is their YPC so far this season between the two of them? Look that up and get back to me.

Your the one that picked out the certain runs and brought it up rather than looking at whole picture.

Hightower averaged 5.6 to Beanie's 8.0. That's why I said Beanie averaged more ypc in my earlier post. I really don't see your argument here. Beanie, on average, was the better runner today.

 

[Shane]

So does Beanie have any trade value?

I hope not. Still like him and dont wan to get rid of him. No way no how!

 

[Shane]

Hightower averaged 5.6 to Beanie's 8.0. That's why I said Beanie averaged more ypc in my earlier post. I really don't see your argument here. Beanie, on average, was the better runner today.

If they had an equal # of carries to judge I would agree with you. But Hightower had much bigger runs and a bigger sample size to draw from. The mere fact that he had 8 runs of 1 yard or less and still had over 5 YPC is pretty telling. You like Beanie and I like Beanie. I like Hightower and you don't. Its as simple as that

 

[Krangodnzr]

Hightower averaged 5.6 to Beanie's 8.0. That's why I said Beanie averaged more ypc in my earlier post. I really don't see your argument here. Beanie, on average, was the better runner today.

And that would be ignoring the larger sample size like, I don't know, the rest of the season where THT has a significantly better ypc (4.6 to Beanie's pitiful 3.4).

 

[Shane]

And that would be ignoring the larger sample size like, I don't know, the rest of the season where THT has a significantly better ypc (4.6 to Beanie's pitiful 3.4).

That too.

 

[Buckybird]

So does Beanie have any trade value?

The way most of the peeps on this board feel, we should throw all the 2010 Cardinals & coaching staff over the cliff of the Grand Canyon. Ok...maybe we should push just 30 or so of them

 

[Duckjake]

Huh? The last 10 weeks of the season last year we averaged well over 100 yards a game last year because we developed the chemistry and had a QB that could beat you if you lined up 8 in the box.

Kurt Warner is also notoriously bad at audibling out of run plays to hit you with big pass plays.

To compare Johnson, a back with special skills to our situation is laughable. The Titans have a fantastic offensive line (we don't) and a great runningback (we don't). Apples and oranges. Teams have to respect their running game and it opens everything up for VY and KC.

Not a fan based myth, especially when you hear so many NFL coaches, commentators, and players stating it.

Totally disagree.

In the NFL you have to commit to one or the other. The teams that run successfully are committed to the run. The same for the passing teams. You just don't have the money to do both.

Like you I thought the Cards had finally forced teams to back off because of our passing game last season. But now I know it was because they played some really weak run defenses the last half of the season and actually committed to the run in some games. For instance they ran the ball 30 times vs Chicago and 62 times in the two games against St.Louis.

 

[Krangodnzr]

So does Beanie have any trade value?

No reason to trade him; he's a good player, and obviously we need more good players on this team right now

 

[Dayman]

If they had an equal # of carries to judge I would agree with you. But Hightower had much bigger runs and a bigger sample size to draw from. The mere fact that he had 8 runs of 1 yard or less and still had over 5 YPC is pretty telling. You like Beanie and I like Beanie. I like Hightower and you don't. Its as simple as that

I like Hightower. I just don't see why Beanie only had 3 carries today when he was running well. He's had games when he didn't deserve more playing time before, but I don't think this was one of them. If Whis was a better OC, they both would have run the ball a lot more.

 

[az1965]

Yea on about 6 of those 8 he was engulfed behind the LOS. Not really indicative of the RB. Alo way to look at the whole picture as most typical Beanie jockers. Lets disregard the 3 carries over 20.

Yep... when was the last time Beanie had a carry for 20+ yards?

Hey, I have been a Beanie jocker, but I also see reality. Beanie is just not doing it even when he did get most of the carries in a game.

 

[az1965]

So does Beanie have any trade value?

I don't think any of our guys have any trade values after this season

 

[Evil Ash]

Beanie needs to get the ball more. THT needs to get the ball more. LSH needs to get the ball more. We just need to run the ball more period.

Quit running the same offense as when Kurt was here. RUN THE ****ING BALL