Why does Beanie only have three carries????

[BigRedRage]

This guy is going to run as far away from Phoenix as he can as soon as he has the chance.

Butterfingers

 

[Krangodnzr]

Totally disagree.

In the NFL you have to commit to one or the other. The teams that run successfully are committed to the run. The same for the passing teams. You just don't have the money to do both.

Yes, but when you're completely futile at one thing it puts pressure on what you're good at. We could run the ball effectively this season if only DA could beat defenses stacked to stop the run.

Like you I thought the Cards had finally forced teams to back off because of our passing game last season. But now I know it was because they played some really weak run defenses the last half of the season and actually committed to the run in some games. For instance they ran the ball 30 times vs Chicago and 62 times in the two games against St.Louis.

And we're suddenly playing great run defenses this year? Bull crap. That's just not true. The difference is that teams don't have to worry about Kurt Warner anymore.

 

[Duckjake]

The measuring stick for a RB is essentially YPC. Like it or not. It is what it is.

The problem with our guys is that they have 2 carries for 25 yards and 9 carries for zero.

So we get a 25 yard run on the first play of the drive from our 20 and then get 2 carries for nothing, face a 3rd and 10 and throw an incomplete pass and punt and do it over and over never scoring a TD even though we are averaging 8.3 yards per carry.

 

[Duckjake]

Yes, but when you're completely futile at one thing it puts pressure on what you're good at. We could run the ball effectively this season if only DA could beat defenses stacked to stop the run.



And we're suddenly playing great run defenses this year? Bull crap. That's just not true. The difference is that teams don't have to worry about Kurt Warner anymore.

That's bullcrap. The difference is that the offensive line is completely different from last year and absolutely sucks.

 

[CardLogic]

Too sad.

#10 pick in the first round in 2006 on a QB
#5 pick in the first round in 2007 on an OT
#30 pick in the first round in 2009 on a RB

And here we are still playing with Josh McCown, Leonard Davis, and Marcel Shipp.

OK sorry I didn't mean to insult Josh.

This post made me ,


then

 

[THESMEL]

Beanie getting 3 carries is a crime, whiz deserves life in prison for stacked charges.

How much evidence do you need? Beanie lost 2 fumbles last year? I seen the bumbles

I don't know I guess if folks like this team and what their playing like we should just keep everything the same as it is,

Thats what were gonna get with The bean on the bench, passing 75% of the time, Lombardi is rolling over in his grave and Marty S well He's speechless.

THT would not be the featured back on a handful of NFL teams in any era. But He would be a great role player how many more starts does he need to prove that
30 more 60?

The Bean would be featured on most teams of any era.

The Bean like Matt has never had the chance to succeed as a Cardinal, Both have done well with the oppurtunies they have had.

But Whiz kisses frogs, What does the fans need to see? Give the Bean 25 carries
pull that muleskinner and see what happens,

until then, shut up and fish in a mud puddle called the 2010 Cardinals.

The oline is not that bad, Were passing 75% of the time! With DA mostly!
Whod have thunk it? king kong and Godzilla would fail on our oline.

 

[Krangodnzr]

That's bullcrap. The difference is that the offensive line is completely different from last year and absolutely sucks.

I disagree. The offensive line was equally horrible, we just had Kurt Warner and his uncanny ability (even among elite QBs) to stand in the pocket and take a hit while delivering an accurate throw. He made the offensive line look better than it was.

Faneca is no worse than Wells was last year (and an upgrade as a run blocker) and Levi Brown isn't a big drop off from Mike Gandy/Bridges last year.

Warner was just that important.

 

[CardLogic]

It is a fan based myth that if you can't pass you can't run.

It won't happen but...

I would like to test that theory! I would like to see the Cardinals commit to running the ball, period. We all know that their passing game is pure crap, right.

I think part of the Cardinals problems running the ball stem from the fact that they are running out of passing formations most of the time. Given that, of course they can't block 7 or 8 in the box.

So, start Skelton, and go with a lot of JUMBO formations; two RB's in the backfield, and two TE's; occasionally mixing it up with two or three wide-out formations. Tell the team, we will be successful running the ball and we are going to do it until we are successful.

Of course, this would open things up downfield and Skelton could PA and hit Fitz and Breaston with his long range arm...

Time to shake things up!

 

[THESMEL]

yea baby

Each oline has pass protected 70% + most games.

I don't think Whiz will change toward a balanced offense after 3 1/2 years. Thats what he was hired for, remember?

He sucks and needs to go. I like him but what team would keep him after being last in everything and no hope of him acting like a real NFL coach,

He's responded and failed worse than any coach in Arizona? and aint changing anytime soon.

It won't happen but...

I would like to test that theory! I would like to see the Cardinals commit to running the ball, period. We all know that their passing game is pure crap, right.

I think part of the Cardinals problems running the ball stem from the fact that they are running out of passing formations most of the time. Given that, of course they can't block 7 or 8 in the box.

So, start Skelton, and go with a lot of JUMBO formations; two RB's in the backfield, and two TE's; occasionally mixing it up with two or three wide-out formations. Tell the team, we will be successful running the ball and we are going to do it until we are successful.

Of course, this would open things up downfield and Skelton could PA and hit Fitz and Breaston with his long range arm...

Time to shake things up!

 

[Evil Ash]

It won't happen but...

I would like to test that theory! I would like to see the Cardinals commit to running the ball, period. We all know that their passing game is pure crap, right.

I think part of the Cardinals problems running the ball stem from the fact that they are running out of passing formations most of the time. Given that, of course they can't block 7 or 8 in the box.

So, start Skelton, and go with a lot of JUMBO formations; two RB's in the backfield, and two TE's; occasionally mixing it up with two or three wide-out formations. Tell the team, we will be successful running the ball and we are going to do it until we are successful.

Of course, this would open things up downfield and Skelton could PA and hit Fitz and Breaston with his long range arm...

Time to shake things up!

Works for me. We don't know whether or not we can run the ball because we give up on our run game so quickly. We looked pretty damned good in the first half when we actually tried to commit to the run and *gasp* get this we were in the game. We proceeded to lose when for whateve damned reason we want to throw it around with DA

All of our Olinemen are said to have strength as run blockers, our QB is one of the most inaccurate in history, so tell me again why our coaching staff keeps running the spread offense.

 

[Duckjake]

It won't happen but...

I would like to test that theory! I would like to see the Cardinals commit to running the ball, period. We all know that their passing game is pure crap, right.

I think part of the Cardinals problems running the ball stem from the fact that they are running out of passing formations most of the time. Given that, of course they can't block 7 or 8 in the box.

So, start Skelton, and go with a lot of JUMBO formations; two RB's in the backfield, and two TE's; occasionally mixing it up with two or three wide-out formations. Tell the team, we will be successful running the ball and we are going to do it until we are successful.

Of course, this would open things up downfield and Skelton could PA and hit Fitz and Breaston with his long range arm...

Time to shake things up!

Correct.

The thing is that committing to the run means more than just running the ball more during games than passing. You have to build your entire offense to run the football and pass off the run looks and practice that way.

You don't commit to the run by going with 3-4 wide all the time from the shotgun.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Hightower had 8 runs today that went for one yard or less. Eight! Beanie's shortest run was four yards on his way to 8 ypc. I don't think performance was the issue this week.

Thank you for putting the discussion in proper prospective.

But my estimation of the difference in talent is that it's is closer than it use to be.

I think THT's vision is getting better, because he's seems to have a knack for making the correct cut and getting to daylight. And, I'm very, very glad we have THT on the team.

Still, I believe Beanie might have been able to take over this game if he had been given the carries. I could be wrong though.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Yea on about 6 of those 8 he was engulfed behind the LOS. Not really indicative of the RB. Alo way to look at the whole picture as most typical Beanie jockers. Lets disregard the 3 carries over 20.

Hey man, am I a "matty jocker" because I wanted to see Leinart could do as a full time starter?

That what the "Beanie jockers" want Shane. Sorry if you're not able to understand that.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

And that would be ignoring the larger sample size like, I don't know, the rest of the season where THT has a significantly better ypc (4.6 to Beanie's pitiful 3.4).

That is the damn point Krang!

WHY DID BEANIE ONLY HAVE THREE CARRIES?

IF YOU HAVE A BACK THAT HAS AVERAGED 8 YPC, DOESN'T IT MAKE SENSE TO GET HIM A FEW MORE CARRIES?

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT POINT?

Christ in a freaking side car...

 

[Buckybird]

Beanie needs to get the ball more. THT needs to get the ball more. LSH needs to get the ball more. We just need to run the ball more period.

Quit running the same offense as when Kurt was here. RUN THE ****ING BALL

Hell yeah!!!

 

[Duckjake]

I disagree. The offensive line was equally horrible, we just had Kurt Warner and his uncanny ability (even among elite QBs) to stand in the pocket and take a hit while delivering an accurate throw. He made the offensive line look better than it was.

Faneca is no worse than Wells was last year (and an upgrade as a run blocker) and Levi Brown isn't a big drop off from Mike Gandy/Bridges last year.

Warner was just that important.

If you really believe that then we don't need to discuss this any further. I believe that our offensive line 2008-2009 was one of the best since the 1970s and would still be strong if the Cards had left it alone.

It doesn't matter that you think Faneca is better than Wells or that Brown isn't a drop off from Gandy. What matters is that they are all playing different positions. Levi 2010 at LT is worse than Levi 2009 at RT. Keith was far worse at RT than Levi was.

Its just like basketball. You can go get LaBron James and Chris Bosh to go with Dwayne Wade but it is going to take them some time to mesh.

Also I don't understand why, when we are talking about running the football you are talking about pass protection.

we just had Kurt Warner and his uncanny ability (even among elite QBs) to stand in the pocket and take a hit while delivering an accurate throw.

 

[kerouac9]

I know you're talking to Shane here, but did you even watch the game?

On nearly all those aforementioned carries, THT had no chance of getting anything. It's more indicative of the way teams are playing us: Stop the run, force DA to beat you with the pass. Or you could call it stopping the run on the way to QB.

I don't know about that. On a lot of those negative runs, THT could've gotten either back to the LOS or a couple of positive yards but his feet just fell out from under him. It was ugly; he was falling over without being touched.

It's weird that Beanie is being written off as some scrub when he's gotten 17 carries the last 4 weeks. And people are going to complain about sample size?

 

[Duckjake]

Meanwhile the Steelers leading rusher tonight averaged 2.3 yards per carry. Boldin had 5 catches for 118 yards and a TD for the Ravens and the Steelers still beat one of the best teams in the NFL.

We suck in so many ways.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I don't know about that. On a lot of those negative runs, THT could've gotten either back to the LOS or a couple of positive yards but his feet just fell out from under him. It was ugly; he was falling over without being touched.

It's weird that Beanie is being written off as some scrub when he's gotten 17 carries the last 4 weeks. And people are going to complain about sample size?

I just don't see it. Beanie < THT point blank. If you had asked me that up until the past 4-5 games I would've said Beanie hands down, but Beanie just doesn't have "it".

THT at least looks like he plays harder and is better at the coachable skills of being a RB.

 

[Duckjake]

I just don't see it. Beanie < THT point blank. If you had asked me that up until the past 4-5 games I would've said Beanie hands down, but Beanie just doesn't have "it".

THT at least looks like he plays harder and is better at the coachable skills of being a RB.

Does that mean Beanie is going to be third string RB for the Texans next season getting replaced by a 5'7" 145lb RB from BYU who fumbles every three carries?

 

[desertdawg]

I don't know about that. On a lot of those negative runs, THT could've gotten either back to the LOS or a couple of positive yards but his feet just fell out from under him. It was ugly; he was falling over without being touched.

It's weird that Beanie is being written off as some scrub when he's gotten 17 carries the last 4 weeks. And people are going to complain about sample size?

I dig Beanie more than Hightower, I respect them both. Beanie was hurt, complained, and now Whiz is over it. I am starting to believe that its all coming down to the coach that I called my man.

I saw no progress at all, no plays designed to suit our short comings, no adjustments after half time, no accountability for no pressure on their QB. Really at a loss of words as far as positivity goes.

 

[Shane]

I dig Beanie more than Hightower, I respect them both. Beanie was hurt, complained, and now Whiz is over it. I am starting to believe that its all coming down to the coach that I called my man.

I saw no progress at all, no plays designed to suit our short comings, no adjustments after half time, no accountability for no pressure on their QB. Really at a loss of words as far as positivity goes.

You were to drunk to recognize if there were any adjustments anyway.

 

[desertdawg]

You were to drunk to recognize if there were any adjustments anyway.

I spelled adjustments didn't I?

 

[Shane]

I spelled adjustments didn't I?

Thats 6 hours post game. Doesn't count.

 

[desertdawg]

Thats 6 hours post game. Doesn't count.

6, a number we had before half time, and made no "adjustments", does that count homie?