Why is the Knight-White trade a mistake?

[F-Dog]

Maybe if they had known the season was going to be a disaster and that two key players would be injured, they would not have made the Knight for White trade. But if there had not been the injuires, the though of Googs at center was not pleasant.

I've seen this sentiment expressed several times now, and I have to say that I don't get it.

As far as I can see, there are two possible scenarios for the Suns in next year's FA market:

1. Kobe Bryant isn't interested in signing with the Suns, in which case I don't see why the Suns will need more cap room this summer than they're currently expecting to have; and

2. Kobe Bryant is interested in signing with the Suns, in which case the Suns are suddenly a championship contender, and they'll desperately need Jahidi to help contain Shaq.


In the second case, Howard Eisley is the obvious player to be discarded to clear cap room, and now that the Suns have three future first-round picks to trade, I think they could make it happen.


Thoughts?

 

[fordronken]

Because they can offer him more money with Jahidi off the books. You want to put yourself in the best possible position to land a top flight free agent.

 

[Goldfield]

Originally posted by F-Dog
I've seen this sentiment expressed several times now, and I have to say that I don't get it.

As far as I can see, there are two possible scenarios for the Suns in next year's FA market:

1. Kobe Bryant isn't interested in signing with the Suns, in which case I don't see why the Suns will need more cap room this summer than they're currently expecting to have; and

2. Kobe Bryant is interesteed in signing with the Suns, in which case the Suns are suddenly a championship contender, and they'll desperately need Jahidi to help contain Shaq.


In the second case, Howard Eisley is the obvious player to be discarded to clear cap room, and now that the Suns have three future first-round picks to trade, I think they could make it happen.


Thoughts?

He has a very good point. Not that Jahidi is a superstar but he is a big bruising Center that we have never had before.

I would trade away a small guard before I traded away a BIG.


In away, If Kobe was to even think about joining the Suns(I am not banking on that) White might be someone he thinks could help him fight against Shaq... If nothing else White would give us 6 hard fouls!

I do wish White made alittle less, but BIG's allways get overpaid. I say keep him, and have him lose 15-20lbs, so he is alittle quicker, and more undercontrol.

 

[F-Dog]

But, as I said, there are other ways to clear cap room after the season, and a Kobe Bryant Suns team will need Jahidi (or someone like him) very badly.


I don't see any point in having the cap room cleared in advance if the Suns can clear enough space when the time comes (if they have to).

Unless you think that Kobe might decide to sign with the Suns, then suddenly change his mind?

 

[Goldfield]

I would get rid of Jacobsen & Eisley before I got rid of White.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by BEERZ
I would get rid of Jacobsen & Eisley before I got rid of White.

Of course you would, I would, anyone on this board would but the fact is: Eisley is untradeable.

He got traded for another untradeable player but "normally" there is no way that someone will take him.

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by BEERZ
I would get rid of Jacobsen & Eisley before I got rid of White.

My favorite scenerio is to bribe the Bobcats to take Eisley and then cut him. The Suns still have to pay him, but he is taken off for cap purposes. It should be a lot cheaper than finding a team willing to carry his ridiculous contract which is a year longer than White's.

 

[SirStefan32]

And remember that we have plenty of picks to work with. Our own pick, NY's pick, NY's future pick, and Cleaveland's pick.

 

[Goldfield]

Originally posted by hcsilla
Of course you would, I would, anyone on this board would but the fact is: Eisley is untradeable.

He got traded for another untradeable player but "normally" there is no way that someone will take him.

Another good part about the trade. We have many options with an abundence of draft picks. We "could" do alot of things...

 

[hcsilla]

Re: Re: Why is the Knight-White trade a mistake?

Originally posted by BEERZ
He has a very good point. Not that Jahidi is a superstar but he is a big bruising Center that we have never had before.

Come on.

White's contibution is similar to Tsakalidis' which is very close to the nothing.
Suns converted Tsakalidis' almost zero contribution to White's almost zero contribution with losing of Outlaw.
Smart move.......

That's why the White-Knight trade was a mistake.

 

[Goldfield]

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Originally posted by hcsilla
Come on.

White's contibution is similar to Tsakalidis' which is very close to the nothing.
Suns converted Tsakalidis' almost zero contribution to White's almost zero contribution with losing of Outlaw.
Smart move.......

That's why the White-Knight trade was a mistake.

That isnt true at all.

Big Jake was slow and he never was motivated.

White may not fill up the stats, but is busts his ass and is very active. He blocks alot of balls! I honestly think he needs to lose 15-20lbs. If he did that I think he would be awfully effective.

 

[George O'Brien]

Re: Re: Re: Why is the Knight-White trade a mistake?

Originally posted by hcsilla
Come on.

White's contibution is similar to Tsakalidis' which is very close to the nothing.
Suns converted Tsakalidis' almost zero contribution to White's almost zero contribution with losing of Outlaw.
Smart move.......

That's why the White-Knight trade was a mistake.

That is simply not true. White game Yao a lot of trouble and held his own against Shaq. Big Jake cannot get minutes on the size starved Grizzlies.

If the Suns could convince White to lose about 20 pounds, he could be a pretty good player. There is nothing Jake to do to get any quicker, which is why the Suns gave up on him. White is a lot quicker than Big Jake and infinitely nastier.

 

[hcsilla]

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Originally posted by George O'Brien
That is simply not true.White game Yao a lot of trouble and held his own against Shaq.

Big Jake game Yao a lot of trouble and held his won against Shaq.

Big Jake cannot get minutes on the size starved Grizzlies.

But White could on the size starved Wizards, right?

BTW, I wouldn't call the Grizzlies size starved with Gasol (7') nad Wright (6'11") as their starting frontcourt.

If the Suns could convince White to lose about 20 pounds, he could be a pretty good player.

Yes, and if the Suns could convince White to learn much more about basketball, he could be Alonzo Mourning.

There is nothing Jake to do to get any quicker, which is why the Suns gave up on him. White is a lot quicker than Big Jake and infinitely nastier.

Yes, and that's one of the reasons why we were so much better this season than last season, right?

Come on guys, what you are talking about?
About White's contribution?
Please.....

 

[Chaplin]

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Originally posted by hcsilla
Big Jake game Yao a lot of trouble and held his won against Shaq.


But White could on the size starved Wizards, right?

BTW, I wouldn't call the Grizzlies size starved with Gasol (7') nad Wright (6'11") as their starting frontcourt.


Yes, and if the Suns could convince White to learn much more about basketball, he could be Alonzo Mourning.


Yes, and that's one of the reasons why we were so much better this season than last season, right?

Come on guys, what you are talking about?
About White's contribution?
Please.....

You absolutely are not naive enough to think that Big Jake actually contributed to our surprising year last year, are you? He did absolutely nothing for us! In fact, White's performance for us this year has probably already surpassed Big Jake's from all last year!

 

[hcsilla]

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Originally posted by Chaplin
You absolutely are not naive enough to think that Big Jake actually contributed to our surprising year last year, are you? He did absolutely nothing for us!

I agree, he did not.

White didn't do much more either.

Add Tsakalidis' and Outlaw's contributions from last season!
Did you get a bigger one than White's from this season?

 

[SirStefan32]

Hold on guys- Jake never got consistant minutes. He had a decent games now and then, but he was a stiff.

Whitee might be a little bit better. I would personally like to keep Jahidi, but would lose NO sleep over it if he got traded.

If you have Bryant, Marion, and Stoudemire, you don't need White. Sign two fat stiffs to faul Shaq 6 times each. Then use Voskhul and Amare for the rest.

 

[George O'Brien]

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Originally posted by Chaplin
You absolutely are not naive enough to think that Big Jake actually contributed to our surprising year last year, are you? He did absolutely nothing for us! In fact, White's performance for us this year has probably already surpassed Big Jake's from all last year!

I am sure of it. Last year the Suns did not start playing well until after Big Jake got injured. Over the summer Jake was supposed to be in great shape, but he was barely adequate during the Rocky Mountain Review against weaker opposition.

Memphis has some tall guys, but they are all very light.

 

[Chaplin]

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Originally posted by hcsilla
I agree, he did not.

White didn't do much more either.

Add Tsakalidis' and Outlaw's contributions from last season!
Did you get a bigger one than White's from this season?

Absolutely. But how is that a competent comparison? Let's compare Casey this year to Stephon last year!

 

[hcsilla]

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Originally posted by Chaplin
Absolutely. But how is that a competent comparison?

How is that not a competent comparison?

What makes you think that Outlaw would have contributed less this season for the Suns than he did last season?

 

[Chaplin]

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Originally posted by hcsilla
How is that not a competent comparison?

What makes you think that Outlaw would have contributed less this season for the Suns than he did last season?

How is comparing Big Jake AND Bo Outlaw to Jahidi White a fair comparison?

That's a ridiculous statement and you know it.

 

[schutd]

Originally posted by hcsilla
Of course you would, I would, anyone on this board would but the fact is: Eisley is untradeable.

He got traded for another untradeable player but "normally" there is no way that someone will take him.

We could shop him to Charlotte with a couple of our future picks.

 

[hcsilla]

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Originally posted by Chaplin
How is comparing Big Jake AND Bo Outlaw to Jahidi White a fair comparison?

That's a ridiculous statement and you know it.

I don't.

Suns DID trade Big Jake and Outlaw for White, Archibald and Trybanski.
Why isn't comparing the two packages a fair comparison when their salaries and contracts are equal?

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by schutd
We could shop him to Charlotte with a couple of our future picks.

Yes, we could and the answer will be very short and sharp: NO.

 

[George O'Brien]

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Originally posted by hcsilla
How is that not a competent comparison?

What makes you think that Outlaw would have contributed less this season for the Suns than he did last season?

Bo's offensive skills are poor. The Suns could have him on the floor when Amare was playing, but only briefly when Voskuhl was in. If both Amare and Carbakapa had been healthy, it is hard to see Outlaw getting more than 10-12 minutes.

 

[schutd]

Originally posted by George O'Brien
My favorite scenerio is to bribe the Bobcats to take Eisley and then cut him. The Suns still have to pay him, but he is taken off for cap purposes. It should be a lot cheaper than finding a team willing to carry his ridiculous contract which is a year longer than White's.

My thoughts exactly. But are you sure the SUns have to pay him? I thought the player instantly becomes a UFA. One of those cap loopholes or something. Why would we have to pay a player that was taken from us in the expansion draft becasue he didnt make the expansion teams roster?