Why Kolb? Seriously...

[Bert]

Some good points here. I completely agree with the sentiment that comparing Kolb to our current QB's is meaningless. It doesn't matter how terrible DA is that doesn't make Kolb a better QB.

I have a better sense of what you guys see in him so thanks for the responses. Like I said, the thread was titled "Why Kolb" not "Kolb Sucks". I just hope that everyone isn't hyped up over this guy based on a couple of good games. Isn't that what got us into the DA mess? I'm just gunshy after last season when we kept hearing; "DA was a pro bowler, DA is tall and has a canon arm, DA has moxie."

As long as everyone is pretty sure Kolb is ALOT better than DA, I'm fine with it, but still not at that price. I would give the Eagles a pick and thats it. Remember we still have to sign Kolb to a huge contract too.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Some good points here. I completely agree with the sentiment that comparing Kolb to our current QB's is meaningless. It doesn't matter how terrible DA is that doesn't make Kolb a better QB.

I have a better sense of what you guys see in him so thanks for the responses. Like I said, the thread was titled "Why Kolb" not "Kolb Sucks". I just hope that everyone isn't hyped up over this guy based on a couple of good games. Isn't that what got us into the DA mess? I'm just gunshy after last season when we kept hearing; "DA was a pro bowler, DA is tall and has a canon arm, DA has moxie."

As long as everyone is pretty sure Kolb is ALOT better than DA, I'm fine with it, but still not at that price. I would give the Eagles a pick and thats it. Remember we still have to sign Kolb to a huge contract too.

I think a lot of people like him because of what they see as potential and what skills he has shown in a limited capacity.

I can tell you that I don't want Bulger or Hasselback on this team. I wonder if Palmer will even be dealt, though he would be my first choice. I guess that, by default, puts me in the Kolb camp. Man, this sucks.

Hey, Bert, if you want a laugh, do a title search for Anderson in this forum. Some not-so-happy memories to relive, but lots of funny posts regarding his ineptitude.

 

[Russ Smith]

Some good points here. I completely agree with the sentiment that comparing Kolb to our current QB's is meaningless. It doesn't matter how terrible DA is that doesn't make Kolb a better QB.

I have a better sense of what you guys see in him so thanks for the responses. Like I said, the thread was titled "Why Kolb" not "Kolb Sucks". I just hope that everyone isn't hyped up over this guy based on a couple of good games. Isn't that what got us into the DA mess? I'm just gunshy after last season when we kept hearing; "DA was a pro bowler, DA is tall and has a canon arm, DA has moxie."

As long as everyone is pretty sure Kolb is ALOT better than DA, I'm fine with it, but still not at that price. I would give the Eagles a pick and thats it. Remember we still have to sign Kolb to a huge contract too.

There's an element of what Bill James calls replacement value to it. And an element of look at the overall market to it.

I don't care if we get Kolb or Palmer, I'm OK with either. I can't even say who I prefer because I'm not privy to Palmer's medical records.

But when you consider how bad our division has been, if you replace the worst QB situation in the NFL with Kevin Kolb, you're going to get better, because he's significantly better than the guys he's replacing.

When you look at the overall market, there aren't any guys his age who are clearly better than him, who are clearly available. So you have to do the math. And as others have said, you have to consider that failure to do anything likely means another bad year, and our star WR likely deciding he doesn't want to be here any longer.

 

[devilalum]

What's "unstable" about Vick? Are you referring to injury concerns? That's not really "instability."

He murdered dozens of dogs for fun?!?!

I don't care how much Oprah the guy has watched people that do sick things like this don't just get undisturbed.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

But last year the job was his to lose and he lost it.

Actually he beat out Vick for the job - but got slammed by Clay Matthews in Game 1 and they gave the job to Vick even though Kolb passed all of the tests required to start the next game.

Still Kolb got to play when Vick was hurt (twice) and made the most of it each time.

Redskins: 22-for-35 with 201 passing yards, one touchdown and an interception.

Falcons: 23-for-29 for 326 yards, three touchdowns and one interception, and was named the NFC Offensive Player of the Week.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

He murdered dozens of dogs for fun?!?!

I don't care how much Oprah the guy has watched people that do sick things like this don't just get undisturbed.

I'm with you on this.

 

[desertdawg]

Some good points here. I completely agree with the sentiment that comparing Kolb to our current QB's is meaningless. It doesn't matter how terrible DA is that doesn't make Kolb a better QB.

I have a better sense of what you guys see in him so thanks for the responses. Like I said, the thread was titled "Why Kolb" not "Kolb Sucks". I just hope that everyone isn't hyped up over this guy based on a couple of good games. Isn't that what got us into the DA mess? I'm just gunshy after last season when we kept hearing; "DA was a pro bowler, DA is tall and has a canon arm, DA has moxie."

As long as everyone is pretty sure Kolb is ALOT better than DA, I'm fine with it, but still not at that price. I would give the Eagles a pick and thats it. Remember we still have to sign Kolb to a huge contract too.

DA was on his way down in his career and had been boo'd out of town. Most people I talked to and read saw DA as a big mistake from the get, but it happened. Kolb's worth going after IMO, I'd be stoked if that's the move.

"Remember we still have to sign Kolb to a huge contract too"

That's where it gets interesting, with the amount of playing time he has had, yet still wanting the "starter" money, I'd hope his contract would be based on a lot of incentives. Making this many TD passes, making some goal of a completion average, not missing games, playoffs, you know what I mean.

His situation could favor and warrant a nice contract based on incentives, which could be cool.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Kolb is...

...the first quarterback in NFL history to throw for more than 300 yards in each of his first two career starts.



...the first quarterback to be fined for a horse-collar tackle.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Kolb is...

...the first quarterback in NFL history to throw for more than 300 yards in each of his first two career starts.



...the first quarterback to be fined for a horse-collar tackle.

Really? I didn't know that. I like him more now.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

Kolb is...

...the first quarterback in NFL history to throw for more than 300 yards in each of his first two career starts.



...the first quarterback to be fined for a horse-collar tackle.

LOL

 

[WarnerHOF]

If we're going to suck, do not waste a high draft pick on a QB that isn't going to get us of out of the suck. (Kolb and Palmer) Take our chances with turribleness and we may just end up with superbowl caliber QB next year.

 

[Totally_Red]

If we're going to suck, do not waste a high draft pick on a QB that isn't going to get us of out of the suck. (Kolb and Palmer) Take our chances with turribleness and we may just end up with superbowl caliber QB next year.

I'm no Kolb fan, but you have to do something to acquire a veteran QB or Fitz very likely DOES leave the Cardinals.

 

[schutd]

Everyone here is trying to apply concreteness to an act that would be in any situation a crap shoot. What I dont think is fair is the majority of detractors are on one hand saying he doesnt have the experience to use such a high pick, and then right away go out and use his very limited stats to make the point that he's inaccurate or turnover prone.

Go back and look at all the greats 1st year numbers. There NEVER going to be good. Aside from adjusting to the pro game and being prone to mistakes, it takes a long time to accumulate enough numbers to make an accurate assessment based on statistics.

You cant have it both ways.

Have an opinion, no sweat. Mine is that these guys probably know more than you, and Ill defer to them.

 

[SweetD]

I am still not sold on Kolb. My question is his arm, it just look like Phi keeped all the routes as quick curls, slants and comebacks. I did see them try to many deep passes with him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frz4Q19i_hA&feature=related

Draft Video -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLuxHKiTj9o&playnext=1&list=PLCAEA3DDC7DDE285B

 

[AsUdUdE]

First off for everyone complaining about the money we will have to pay Kolb... I guarentee we would pay a similar amount to Haselback and a little less to Bulger.. They get Starting QB money which means 9-10+ million a year...

Secondly.. Kolb is better than any quaterback to come out this year (and I am not sure that is really up for much debate unless you want to play the potential card) he unerstands schemes, and can get the ball to our recievers...

Finally, in the end, for everyone who says don't spend a first on Kolb, look at the consequences of that choice... lets say we sign Bulger and he comes in and sucks, however we are a pretty good football team, so we will win a few games, but we are staring 6-10, 5-11 in the face again, and next year we are in the same position, we need a QB. Do you REALLY think Fiz stays and resigns a long term deal with us... HEELLLLLL NO.. He will be on the first plane out to St. Louis..

Bulger/Hasselback are not legit options, they are stop gaps, if we didn't have Fitz and were blowing the team up, I would be all for rolling the dice and signing a stop gap until we get the "right QB", but again, that will cost us a first round pick..

As it is, to compete now, turn things around, and most importantly keep Fitz, signing Kolb seems like the ONLY option that makes sense..

 

[john h]

I keep hearing these INSANE draft proposals (DRC and a 1st rounder, serously?) for Kolb and I keep hearing people saying; 'YES BRING HIM IN!'

The guy has started 7 games in his career. One of the main supporters of him is Gambo, Gambo keeps saying; "He's so accurate." His career accuracy is 60.8%, and he's thrown more INT's than TD's. Based off stats, he's not that accurate. Not enough that I would say; "Give up a first round picks and a boatload of cash cuz OMG he's so accurate!"

I'll stop there because I dont want to bash Kolb, I just want one of the Kolb supporters to explain to me what they see in this guy (other than, Wowzers! Did you see those two good games he had against SF and ATL?)

What about this guy justifies the Cardinals giving up a 1st round pick (and probably more than that based on rumors) and dont forget, its not just the trade, once he gets here, Kolb wants a new contract where he is paid "STARTER MONEY."

I honestly dont get it. This guy was a backup who had his chance to take over the Eagles and the Eagles had enough doubts in him that they brought in Mr. PR NIGHTMARE Mike Vick, and gave Kolb a short enough leash that all it took was one concussion and he lost his starting job. I know Vick played well, but it's pretty obvious the Eagles were making plan (B) well in advance.

Now Andy Reid is doing PR all over the place hyping up Kolb and how much their being offered for him and saying that Kolb "Makes a team a championship contender." Seriously, I call BS. It soulds like they're tryin to dump their backup QB and at the same time, hype him up beyond reality in order to get some gullible team to take the bait. I hope we aren't that team...

So anyone? I know we need a QB but please tell me why Kolb is the best choice and why he warrants what we're being asked to give up for him... I see a lot of people yelling KOLB KOLB (Especially Gambo on 620) without giving any reason why other than; "Duhh, this guys a friggin stud, forgetabboutit."

I will be happy to tell you he is by no means by first choice. Not even my second or third choice. In fact I do not want him.

 

[Totally_Red]

First off for everyone complaining about the money we will have to pay Kolb... I guarentee we would pay a similar amount to Haselback and a little less to Bulger.. They get Starting QB money which means 9-10+ million a year...

Secondly.. Kolb is better than any quaterback to come out this year (and I am not sure that is really up for much debate unless you want to play the potential card) he unerstands schemes, and can get the ball to our recievers...

Finally, in the end, for everyone who says don't spend a first on Kolb, look at the consequences of that choice... lets say we sign Bulger and he comes in and sucks, however we are a pretty good football team, so we will win a few games, but we are staring 6-10, 5-11 in the face again, and next year we are in the same position, we need a QB. Do you REALLY think Fiz stays and resigns a long term deal with us... HEELLLLLL NO.. He will be on the first plane out to St. Louis..

Bulger/Hasselback are not legit options, they are stop gaps, if we didn't have Fitz and were blowing the team up, I would be all for rolling the dice and signing a stop gap until we get the "right QB", but again, that will cost us a first round pick..

As it is, to compete now, turn things around, and most importantly keep Fitz, signing Kolb seems like the ONLY option that makes sense..

I hear what you are saying. I am just much less adverse to a stop-gap solution. I just think a first & possibly an additional draft pick and a big contract are a big gamble that may or may not work out.

If you are right and the Cardinals are as desparate as the ESPN rumors make it seem, then yeah, Andy Reid will be more than happy to rip them off. The last two quarterbacks he dealt away were Jay Feeley and Donavan McNabb, neither of whom went on to future glory with their new teams.

The early indications are that 2012 will produce a much better quarterback class than this year. Reid knows it and sitting on two first rounders (Arizona's and his own) would be in good position to upgrade his backup while bringing a veteran on board this season to back up Vick. The trade makes a lot of sense for Philly.

For the Cardinals, it's a gamble IMO. How big a gamble, depends on your evaluation of Kevin Kolb. If Kolb falls short of expectations, then Fitz is probably gone anyway. If he stays healthy and plays well and the Cardinals make the post-season, the gamble was well worth while.

The best trades benefit both teams. I can see how this one would benefit Philly. From the Cardinals viewpoint, its more dicey. At the very least, the Cardinals need to make the draft pick compensation performance-based. That would at least allow the Eagles to share SOME of the risk in the trade. And if Kolb excels, nobody will mind paying what he was worth IMO.

 

[DoTheDew]

So you would never like the idea of drafting a 1st round QB then, right?

Its all a gamble, the draft is a 50/50 prop so is free agency? No matter how you fill the QB void it is going to be a gamble since none of them have played in our system.

Not proclaiming I want Kolb, just a philosophical difference. You have to take a gamble at some point, and any name you bring up will be a gamble.

Personally I would draft a 1st round QB and build after a season like last. But Whiz and the FO have made it clear that their goal is to win the NFCW next year. That's why we passed on early round QBs in this past draft. If that is your goal then go all out on it. Get the most proven vet QB who can still play that you can. Don't get the guy with 7 starts who is still mostly about potential. The smaller the body of work, the greater the uncertainty. Sure it's always going to be a gamble, but it's a greater gamble with Kolb for a 1st than for any other option.

But hey, bigger risk means bigger reward. I'll acknowledge Kolb could be the best thing to happen to us, but I wish the pro-Kolb people would acknowledge that he has every bit as much chance to fail as a starting NFL QB.

 

[Bert]

DA was on his way down in his career and had been boo'd out of town. Most people I talked to and read saw DA as a big mistake from the get, but it happened. Kolb's worth going after IMO, I'd be stoked if that's the move.

"Remember we still have to sign Kolb to a huge contract too"

That's where it gets interesting, with the amount of playing time he has had, yet still wanting the "starter" money, I'd hope his contract would be based on a lot of incentives. Making this many TD passes, making some goal of a completion average, not missing games, playoffs, you know what I mean.

His situation could favor and warrant a nice contract based on incentives, which could be cool.

That would be cool. I would also more respect for a QB that was willing to do that. I dont expect him to take nothing guaranteed but to take a contract loaded with incentives shows confidence. Hopefully we can work something like that out.

It just made me nervous when I heard they said he expects "starter money" I mean to me that means in the 10mil per year range with the bulk of it guaranteed, that's just an awefully big commitment to a relatively unproven QB.

I'm coming arond on Kolb, I watched some highlights and the guy can definitely make the throws, the question now is can he do it consistently.

 

[john h]

Our QBs sucking doesn't make Kolb a better player. His worth should be determined by his ability, not our lack of ability.



I'd take Hasselbeck over Kolb any day of the week. He's got a much better record as a starter. Yes he gets banged up, but so does Kolb so far in his career.



True, but there have been plenty of mid 20 QBs with 7 or fewer career starts and sub 80 QB ratings.



We can play games with stats all we want. The one that scares me the most is his sub .500 record as a starter including losses to the 6-10 Titans and 6-10 Redskins, when McNabb and Vick have been around .600 or higher over the same time. I don't want a guy who's team is less likely to win with him in there regardless of what his other stats are.



He might leave but if we gamble on Kolb and he doesn't pan out, then we've screwed ourselves and he'll still leave. Kolb is far from a sure thing to solve the QB problem.



If it is about winning this year, we should be going after proven commodities, not gambling on the high risk/high reward guy. Of all QB options, Kolb has the highest ceiling but the lowest floor. It's entirely possible that we go 6-10 with Kolb or he lives up the hype and we go 12-4. It's a gamble and if we take it I'll root for him, but just remember when you gamble the house always has the favorable odds, in this case the Eagles are the house and we're the schmuck putting all our chips on bet.

With most FA QBs other than Kolb we have seen them play in the NFL a lot of times so have some idea of what they might bring. A draft pick is a pure gamble based on what he might bring to the NFL.

 

[john h]

First off for everyone complaining about the money we will have to pay Kolb... I guarentee we would pay a similar amount to Haselback and a little less to Bulger.. They get Starting QB money which means 9-10+ million a year...

Secondly.. Kolb is better than any quaterback to come out this year (and I am not sure that is really up for much debate unless you want to play the potential card) he unerstands schemes, and can get the ball to our recievers...

Finally, in the end, for everyone who says don't spend a first on Kolb, look at the consequences of that choice... lets say we sign Bulger and he comes in and sucks, however we are a pretty good football team, so we will win a few games, but we are staring 6-10, 5-11 in the face again, and next year we are in the same position, we need a QB. Do you REALLY think Fiz stays and resigns a long term deal with us... HEELLLLLL NO.. He will be on the first plane out to St. Louis..

Bulger/Hasselback are not legit options, they are stop gaps, if we didn't have Fitz and were blowing the team up, I would be all for rolling the dice and signing a stop gap until we get the "right QB", but again, that will cost us a first round pick..

As it is, to compete now, turn things around, and most importantly keep Fitz, signing Kolb seems like the ONLY option that makes sense..

You would have selected Kolb over any QB in this years draft? I think he was a 2nd round pick when he came out. I would have taken Gabbert or Newton ahead of him for sure and would not even have to give up a draft pick. Why does his current team so eager to get rid of him? Do they not recognize talent after having it for two or three years? I really do not see any team in the NFL giving up a #1 for Kolb. Maybe a 2nd or maybe a 3rd.

 

[Mulli]

You would have selected Kolb over any QB in this years draft? I think he was a 2nd round pick when he came out. I would have taken Gabbert or Newton ahead of him for sure and would not even have to give up a draft pick. Why does his current team so eager to get rid of him? Do they not recognize talent after having it for two or three years? I really do not see any team in the NFL giving up a #1 for Kolb. Maybe a 2nd or maybe a 3rd.

They don't want to lose him for nothing to free agency.

 

[AsUdUdE]

They don't want to lose him for nothing to free agency.

this..

The Eagles are going to lose him for nothing next year... and unfortunantly there is a market right now, becuase call me crazy but I don'tthink Seattle is his first choice, so the chance to trade for him is the perfect scernio for the hags...

I would absolutley take him over gabbert no doubt, not a question... maybe Newton, but I am on record as a Newton lover...

The bottom line is there IS a market for Kolb, and a 1st round pick will be the price for whoever lands him..

 

[lobo]

The QB comparison Kolb brings to mind is Pete Liske.

For those of you under 100 years old, Liske was a system QB who came out of Penn State. His forte was that, although he wouldn't wow you, he wouldn't do anything really dumb either. Give him a strong supporting cast (including a good O-line) and he could operate your offense without embarrassing you.

Put him behind the Cardinal offensive line and you get a 2-inch taller, slightly more experienced version of Max Hall throwing out of a man-hole.

Nothing wrong with that; except that Hall was a UDFA while they're asking for more than a #1 for Kolb.

He doesn't impress me - I don't think he has the arm to support a vertical offense in the manner we've grown accustomed.

We agree to disagree here...since I am a shade under 100 I still remember Liske's football card. What I am a bit confused about is you refer to "him" and I assume you don't mean Liske but do mean Kolb. Yes? This is a good example by the way of having witness' testifying at a trial. I too have see Kolb a fair amount of times and I don't see him as you described. Sometime after 3Jun we will find out as things become unscrambled. Only 30 odd per cent of us will be happy with whomever they sign, albeit if it is Bulger the number will be in the low 20's.

 

[Duckjake]

Sure he does, and it's sky-high.

You can't blame Kolb for not beating out Vick. You just can't. Even Vick haters admit that.

However, you can blame Leinart for not beating out Warner and have 1000s of supporters.