Why not Manziel?

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I really do hope he can continue down the right path, but I was never a fan of his on the field game. He couldn't play within the structure of the offense(street baller). Playing behind and amazing line and with Mike Evans made him look a lot better too.
 

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Sounds like Mayfield, nfl caliber OL and stud receivers. Alcohol issues, tried running from an Arkansas cop and gets planted. Both are immature. No thanks to either one of these clods.

That's overgeneralizing things. If you look deep, they're nothing like each other.

Manziel had massive issues with alcohol. Manziel was literally chugging Fireball at halftime of a bowl game because he was so hungover from the night before. He was showing up to Browns practice drunk. Again, it wasn't just alcohol, but cocaine too, even in Mexico where he could massively get in trouble/killed for it. Smoking cigarettes, and god knows what else. Everyone knew he was an alcoholic. He partied with anyone, anywhere, and put it all on social media.

It's not even close to the same thing. Mayfield got busted by being stupid to the cop who got flagged down and comes over and tries to ask him questions. He's drunk and runs. Had he not acted stupid, he might not of even been arrested. Irritating, immature, stupid... yes, but nothing compared to Manziel. Not even close.

Manziel's problem was massive addiction, being an unaccountable, rich boy who didn't give a fudge. A liar who lied about everything. He couldn't stop himself from doing anything. Drugs. Drinking. Lying. Gambling. Clubbing. Assaulting Women. Whatever. Completely unaccountable.

Mayfield shows some immaturity, and other then that incident (video below), it's just on field grabs, wearing shirts, and taunts. Stupid and immature, but hardly a dealbreaker for most. You of course can have your own opinion. But it would be incorrect to say he's like Manziel.

But these are also actions he can easily move on from or at the very least keep at a minimum. Of course ESPN and whatever will blow any little thing out of proportion, like anything these days. But none of this stuff is that important. A reason to not like the guy, sure. But nothing like Manziel's issues.

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This doesn't = Johnny Manziel. Doesn't equal going by Billy with a blonde wig, gambling, clubbing, and drinking in Las Vegas when you're supposed to be in Cleveland while having a concussion and supposed to be home, posting on your social media account to seem like you are still in Cleveland at home on a Saturday night with your dog and you end up not showing up the next day. All after you promised Cleveland, multiple times, you'd stopped.

I'm going to guess it's a lot easier to stop grabbing your crotch, then doing the stuff above. Even if he didn't, it doesn't cause near as much actual trouble for him and the team.



As for his OL, Manziel had an absolutely AMAZING OL. FOUR 1st round picks. Including two top ten. Yet felt the need to run around like he was getting pressured when he wasn't. Throwing up prayers for Evans to catch. This might be one of the best college lines in history.

OL'men on Manziel's teams
Luke Joeckel #2 overall
Jake Matthews #6 overall
Cedric Ogbuehi #21 overall
Germain Ifedi #31 overall
Harrison #152 overall


OL'men on Mayfield's teams
Tyrus Thompson #185 overall 2015

Not yet drafted
Orlando Brown Jr (likely 1st rounder)
Erick Wren (projected 5th-7th rounder)

Not even close to the same line. Manziel basically ran around behind a 1st round pick line while getting little pressure.

WR's for Manziel
Mike Evans #7 overall
Ryan Swope #174 (yeah, that Ryan Swope)


WR on Mayfield's teams
Sterling Shepard #40 overall 2016
DeDe Westbrook #110 overall 2017

Mayfield also has TE Mark Andrews

and this past season with Sophomore receiver Marquise Brown, who we'll see if he makes it to the NFL in the 2019 or 2020 draft.

Mayfield had some decent WR/TE. But none of them were the quality of Mike Evans who was there both years Manziel was there. Even so, he played at a higher level for more years with lesser talent around him then Manziel. Has a stronger arm too.

On the field Mayfield is 10x the QB. Stronger arm. More accurate. Can read defenses. Doesn't get the happy feet Manziel had, despite the all world college line.

Hopefully in the NFL his childish antics don't bleed over, but let's face it, this is happening all the time in the NFL anyways. Childish antics happen on the NFL field. I don't like it, and hopefully he's learned, but it's not similar to Manziel.

The whole Mayfield=Manziel just doesn't hold up to the facts or any real scrutiny.

This really is a must read about the two.


https://www.ndtscouting.com/crabbs-debunking-many-myths-mayfield/

Oklahoma was fresh off a big win against Kansas State, a game in which the team managed to climb back on the efforts of senior QB Baker Mayfield. It was my fifth sampling of Mayfield this season, and I was ready to dig into why he’s the real deal as an NFL prospect. And no sooner did I hit send on my first tweet of the evening, the push-back bubbled to the surface.

“Baker Mayfield is the next Johnny Manziel.”

I re-read the statement again, just to make sure my eyes hadn’t deceived me. And as I contemplated the best way to combat such a take, which in my belief is the furthest thing from the truth, I decided to dig. The mis-information and lazy hyperbole on Oklahoma’s Heisman hopeful Baker Mayfield spanned far across the internet.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...ant-oklahoma-star-quarterback-baker-mayfield/

You can choose to not want him, like someone else, that's fine and your right, but he's not Manziel or anywhere close to Manziel. Nor did he have the same quality around him as Manziel did. Manziel was given everything on the field and protected by everyone. Mayfield was a walk-on who fought for everything, transferred, and won another QB competition.

I can tell you this, the QB I heard wanted to get 'dirty' (means party and get drunk) at the combine was Darnold not Mayfield. Doesn't mean Mayfield is categorically off the hook with that, but Darnold was the one going around and trying to find compadres to get fudged up with in Indy. Meanwhile he did the least there, so he didn't work up a sweat that's for sure.
 

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I'm hoping Mayfield drops to at least 8 and we trade up and get him. If for some reason we don't draft our QBOTF in the first round this year then I would not mind taking a flyer on Manziel. He seems to have sobered up and got his life back together. He would have to come cheap like the vet minimum where if he screwed up we wouldn't be out nothing and could just cut him. The guy has a lot of talent if his head is on straight.
 

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It wasn't "his" Pro Day.

13 teams weren’t there to see the best of San Diego St. They were looking at manziel. The pats are close to pulling the trigger. Manziel and Jimmy G interviewed together at the same time for the pats out of the draft and someone from NE pulled manziel aside pre and post pro day to have one on one conversations.


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High risk, high reward player. Absolutely loved watching this guy play, BUT, BUT, BUT. Special if he stays clean, cancer if not. Not my call, but I wouldn’t be upset if we took a chance with him, as long as he comes dirt cheap.
 

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13 teams weren’t there to see the best of San Diego St. They were looking at manziel. The pats are close to pulling the trigger. Manziel and Jimmy G interviewed together at the same time for the pats out of the draft and someone from NE pulled manziel aside pre and post pro day to have one on one conversations.

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Probably pulled him aside to smell his breath...
 

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Off-the-field drama doesn't match on-the-field production.

Move along.
 

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13 teams weren’t there to see the best of San Diego St. They were looking at manziel. The pats are close to pulling the trigger. Manziel and Jimmy G interviewed together at the same time for the pats out of the draft and someone from NE pulled manziel aside pre and post pro day to have one on one conversations.


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I'd bet more than a few were there to see Penny.
 

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saw some interviews with him on nfln... dude is different... no way to know if it sticks. But at this point what do we have to lose really?? Bring him in as #3...move him to the practice squad later....he says he is willing to earn and prove so lets see how hard he is willing to work for it.
 

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We have no idea of his ability to play quarterback in the pros because his stupidity resulted in a very limited sample size, and a rookie at that... sure I would bring the punk in for a look see, I mean the outstanding young man lol
 

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Well all three Card QBs from last year have jobs- Gabbert, Stanton, Barkly were way better prospects
 

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Manziel is the type of player Jerry Jones takes a chance on. An owner like Michael Bidwill does not take that chance.
 

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13 teams weren’t there to see the best of San Diego St. They were looking at manziel. The pats are close to pulling the trigger. Manziel and Jimmy G interviewed together at the same time for the pats out of the draft and someone from NE pulled manziel aside pre and post pro day to have one on one conversations.


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It was USD and he was brought in because they didn't have a QB to throw to their players and Manziel has been training with a QB guru in San Diego.

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Yeah, exactly what I was thinking reading through this thread. When you're reaching like this you are in big trouble.
Really? For a flyer????
IMO it’s worth a shot- not like it will happen but....
 
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