Will 2007 uncapped year be NFL's downfall?

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OWNERS FACING MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION?

As NFL management types get together in Texas for the annual crop report (i.e., the 2006 salary cap number, which is expected to be in the range of $100 million per team), there is an emerging theory among the attendees regarding the potential impact of the looming uncapped year of 2007.

Although the prevailing assumption is that a handful of teams, maybe more, will take full advantage of the uncapped year by buying up all of the talent available with those hundreds of millions in unshared revenue, there's growing concern that the process could begin as early as 2006.

The most obvious strategy for accomplishing this -- signing players to contracts with low salaries in 2006 and a huge raises in 2007 -- isn't available, since teams are limited to a 25-percent salary increase in the uncapped year.

But what the CBA doesn't address -- and what teams and agents have been using for years to circumvent the rookie spending pool -- are devices such as so-called "Not Likely To Be Earned Incentives."

These NLTBE's can come in various forms, and are premised upon the player or the team improving in one of various statistical categories. For example, an NLTBE can be tied to the team winning one more game than it did the prior year, or to the team improving in the rushing yards statistics by one spot. Although none of these kinds of triggers is a sure thing (making them, in theory, not likely to be earned), the use of multiple different NLTBE triggers make it far more likely than not that the incentive will be earned.

Because, however, the incentive technically is not likely to be earned, the money doesn't count against the cap for the year in which it is earned, but in the next year.

So if, for example, Redskins owner Dan Snyder decides to make a play for Colts receiver Reggie Wayne and includes in the offer a smattering of NLTBE's, any of which trigger, say, a $10 million payment, that money will count against the year in which there is no spending cap.

The problem, of course, is that if the CBA is eventually extended and a cap is in place for 2007, any team that employs such devices will be scuh-rewed when '07 comes around and all of the NLTBE's from 2006, or similar devices, hit the books.

But since it requires only nine votes to block agreement on a new CBA, it likewise requires only nine teams to start signing players to deals that push money into 2007 to ensure, as a practical matter, that any new CBA will maintain the uncapped year for 2007.

And some league insiders believe that once one team takes advantage of this huge loophole, the dominoes will start to fall as other revenue-rich teams try to keep up.

If the 'Skins, for example, do it, so will the Cowboys. Then the Giants could get involved. And if that dynamic spreads to six more teams, there will be no way to avoid an uncapped year in 2007.

Then the issue will be whether the NFLPA will agree to return to a cap-based system after, as a practical matter, getting two years of free spending. NFLPA executive director Gene Upshaw has said that there's no going back to a salary cap, if/when the uncapped year hits.

So perhaps the only way to avoid the problem is for all owners to use restraint come 2006. But the desire to win is very strong, and guys like Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones have a lot of money. Our guess is that one of them will get it started, and the question then will be whether enough others join in to render the uncapped year a certainty.
 

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if there is an uncapped year you can say goodbye to football as the #1 sport as it will go the way of baseball and basketball.That sucks ,hope they can get a cba deal done.
 

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as a fan of the richest owner in pro sports i say keep the cap in place ...... this needs to be done to keep a healthy competative league that will benefit all teams and keep things interesting
 

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You would think dickweeds like Snyder and Jones would have learned something by now from the smaller market teams that kick their asses year in and year out. Gauging by the coaches each one has hired, they have learned something.
 
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duckfallas said:
You would think dickweeds like Snyder and Jones would have learned something by now from the smaller market teams that kick their asses year in and year out. Gauging by the coaches each one has hired, they have learned something.

My fear is Snyder and Jones believe in the Steinbrenner model for success. Simply outspend the smaller markets.
 

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My fear is Snyder and Jones believe in the Steinbrenner model for success. Simply outspend the smaller markets.

Then goodbye Jacksonville, New Orleans, Green Bay, Tennessee.
 

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I think an uncapped year would be crazy as the NFL has a very good thing going. The rich teams, because of the cap, make huge money each year, so why screw with it.

The whole problem with the new CBA is the owners cannot find a plan to share the revenue from the "new" sources of funding. Note, for the players, 2007 also has a clause that says it takes 5 years instead of 4 to become a free agent, so lots of players will become restricted FA when they where hoping to cash in, in Free Agency.

Also, with no new CBA plan in place, the top rookies will be very hard to sign next year as that's one less year to spread the signing bonus across.

For me as a fan, I love the salary cap "game" as it adds another level of fun to the offseason of the NFL. Currently, it's "Which player is worth their money" and "Which team overpaid". Without a cap, the only game is "Which team got the talent" as the price your team paid for them really wouldn't matter.

If the Cards couldn't win with a salary cap, they'll never with without one. I'd actually have to think about cancelling my season tickets. I don't want to do that, so let's pray that the owners figure out something so the NFL can continue as the best game in town.
 

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whatup said:
if there is an uncapped year you can say goodbye to football as the #1 sport as it will go the way of baseball and basketball.That sucks ,hope they can get a cba deal done.


Baseball can survive without a salary cap because there seems to always be young players, especially pitchers, who can be brought in to replace vets lost to FA and keep a team competitive. The White Sox had the 2nd lowest payroll of all the teams in the playoffs this past season and cleveland and oakland with relatively low payrolls both were competing for division titles into September.

Football teams on the other hand cannot compete with young players replacing lost veterans. They must have some sort of control on salaries. The same teams win every year in football for long periods of time but without a sal cap the any given Sunday would be gone and 49-0 games would become commonplace if the "Steinbrenner Model" takes over in Football.
 
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A deal will happen, there won't be an an uncapped year.
 

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Baseball can survive without a salary cap because there seems to always be young players, especially pitchers, who can be brought in to replace vets lost to FA and keep a team competitive. The White Sox had the 2nd lowest payroll of all the teams in the playoffs this past season and cleveland and oakland with relatively low payrolls both were competing for division titles into September.

Football teams on the other hand cannot compete with young players replacing lost veterans. They must have some sort of control on salaries. The same teams win every year in football for long periods of time but without a sal cap the any given Sunday would be gone and 49-0 games would become commonplace if the "Steinbrenner Model" takes over in Football.

Respectfully I disagree with you Duck about the success of the the MLB model. Low pay roll teams can win for a season or two. They however cant win over the long term because they cant keep their players. The low pay roll teams are nothing more than developmental teams for the the Yankees, Braves, Cardinals etc. The Yankees pay roll is $200 million. The next closest is 120 million. Teams like the Royals and Pirates are in the 35 million range. That big a disparity in payroll is bad for on field competitiveness.The Braves winning 14 straight divsion titles tells me there is something wrong with the competitive balance. I would hate to root for a team other than the Braves in the National East knowing they have no chance to win the division.

Fortunately I am a fan of the Cardinals so my team is in it nearly every year. My brother is a fan of the Royals. The Royals are out of it every year by Memorial Day. He used to be a huge baseball fan now he does not care about baseball. MLB is driving away a huge segment of the population. Even if the Royals get the young guys to win one year they cant keep any of the players. That is terrible for fans that they cant get attached to players or expect a good team to stay together for several years.
 
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Then goodbye Jacksonville, New Orleans, Green Bay, Tennessee.

You forgot the Big Red. Bidwill has been hanging on by a thread for years. Say good bye to them too.

It comes down to type A personality owners like Jones and Snyder who want to win at any cost. They are willing to destroy the NFL if they need to to win. They forget that fans want to see competiton on the field not in the board room. They forget that is they reduce the NFL to the Harlem Globe Trotters and the Generals nobody will watch anymore. It is not only going on in the NFL. The Atlanta Braves have attendance problems for playoff games.

Snyder and Jones are frustrated wanna be pro jocks who could not achieve that goal. So to be part of the on field competitive process they compete where they can. That is in the board room where they want they want no rules. This type A dominance in the US with its recent abuses is very discouraging. We all know about recent congresional and corporation corruption.

It is time that excessive competitiveness be recognized as what it is, a mental disease like alcoholism. The damage form excessive competitiveness is unmeasured but I believe that it is far more damaging than alcoholism. We all know those kind of people who drive good people away form jobs by their crass behavior. There was just a news program about CEOs that damaged their corporations because of this disease and were fired. Competiton is important but so is cooperation. The NFL is America's sport instead of baseball because the NFL owners recognized that they need to cooperate with each other to put the best product on the field.
 
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blindseyed said:
A deal will happen, there won't be an an uncapped year.

I hope your right, but I think the general concensus is that with each passing day a CBA agreement becomes less likely.
 

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Respectfully I disagree with you Duck about the success of the the MLB model. Low pay roll teams can win for a season or two. They however cant win over the long term because they cant keep their players. The low pay roll teams are nothing more than developmental teams for the the Yankees, Braves, Cardinals etc. The Yankees pay roll is $200 million. The next closest is 120 million. Teams like the Royals and Pirates are in the 35 million range. That big a disparity in payroll is bad for on field competitiveness.The Braves winning 14 straight divsion titles tells me there is something wrong with the competitive balance. I would hate to root for a team in the National East knowing they have no chance to win the division.

Fortunately I am a fan of the Cardinals so my team is in it nearly every year. My brother is a fan of the Royals. The Royals are out of it every year by Memorial Day. He used to be a huge baseball fan now he does not care about baseball. MLB is driving away a huge segment of the population. Even if the Royals get the young guys to win one year they cant keep any of the players. That is terrible for fans that they cant get attached to players.

Well we've had this discussion before and it is too bad that baseball has a situation that allows owners to field a team that have no intention of spending the money to compete.

To go back to your old WalMart analogy it would be like paying multiple millions of dollars to build a store to compete with WalMart and then not spending any money on inventory.

Baseball still has one thing over football. Even as bad as the Royals are their fans still get to see them win 60 times a year. When an NFL team is bad you get to see at most 5 wins per season. :D
 

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I hope your right, but I think the general concensus is that with each passing day a CBA agreement becomes less likely.

Not true at all. The basics of the deal are alredy in place. The NFLPA wont put up much of a fight after seeing some fot he new deal. The problem is the owners. They are fighting over one key issue and thats pretty much it. The offseason is when they have all the owners meetings so nothing will get done until then.
 
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The basics of the deal are alredy in place. The problem is the owners. They are fighting over one key issue and thats pretty much it.

That one issue is the problem. If nine owners "hold out" over the issue it's a dead duck.
 

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Well we've had this discussion before and it is too bad that baseball has a situation that allows owners to field a team that have no intention of spending the money to compete.

To go back to your old WalMart analogy it would be like paying multiple millions of dollars to build a store to compete with WalMart and then not spending any money on inventory.

Baseball still has one thing over football. Even as bad as the Royals are their fans still get to see them win 60 times a year. When an NFL team is bad you get to see at most 5 wins per season. :D

Duck as I recall you are a fan of the Marlins. They are engaged in a "fire sale" right now. Being a fan that has to be really tough to watch. It is tough for me to watch as a baseball fan. I am lucky I like the Cardinals. The length and slow pace of baseball makes it tough sometimes to watch a whole game. I know if I were a fan of a team less fortunate than the Cardinals I would not watch.
 
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BigRedMO said:
They forget that is they reduce the NFL to the Harlem Globe Trotters and the Generals nobody will watch anymore. The Atlanta Braves have attendance problems for playoff games.

I thought I read somewhere that this season MLB broke attendance records. Could be wrong, but obviously in general the owners are still making money.

But maybe the NHL debacle will help sway the NFL situation.
 

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I thought I read somewhere that this season MLB broke attendance records. Could be wrong, but obviously in general the owners are still making money.

But maybe the NHL debacle will help sway the NFL situation.

I guess it depends where the attendance is at whether you think MLB is in good shape. Yankee Stadium, Busch Stadium and Fenway Park are always sold out but KC, Pittsburgh, Florida are never sold out. Just think of the money that could be made by MLB if in addition to NY, Boston, and STL the stadiums in KC, Pittsburgh and Florida could be sold out. MLB is losing fans to NASCAR. I have in laws in KC that have dropped baseball for NASCAR. MLB owners have recognized the need for more even payrolls with the luxury tax. I dont know if they will move fast enough towards the NFL model to keep teams from relocating or folding.
 
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I guess it depends where the attendance is at whether you think MLB is in good shape. MLB owners have recognized the need for more even payrolls with the luxury tax. I dont know if they will move fast enough towards the NFL model to keep teams from relocating or folding.

Yeah. Baseball is a mess. I wish fans would just stay away from the ballpark.
 

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Yeah. Baseball is a mess. I wish fans would just stay away from the ballpark.

It all really comes down to this simple question. Do you want to see the game decided on the field or in the board room?

I want to see the game decided on the field. If I want to see competition in the board room I watch the financial news.
 

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Duck as I recall you are a fan of the Marlins. They are engaged in a "fire sale" right now. Being a fan that has to be really tough to watch. It is tough for me to watch as a baseball fan. I am lucky I like the Cardinals. The length and slow pace of baseball makes it tough sometimes to watch a whole game. I know if I were a fan of a team less fortunate than the Cardinals I would not watch.

Been a dual Cardinals fan for a loooong time. Ken Boyer was my favorite player as a kid. Bobby Joe Conrad was my football hero.

As for the Marlins the fans should be used to it as this is the second time they've had a fire sale. Didn't seem to hurt too much as they won another World Series not long after the first one.

The one thing that saves baseball is their WildCard. Otherwise the same teams would win the World Series all the time just like the same teams win the SuperBowl. Any team can win in baseball once the postseason starts because pitching is such a large part of the game. That is proven by this being the fourth year in a row that a Wild Card team has been in the Series. That doesn't happen that often in Football probably because home field is such an advantage.

Regular season baseball games are for sitting around with your pals or family having a hotdog and enjoying Summer. I don't think many people could survive baseball season if all the games were as intense as NFL games.
 
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