Will there be an NFL strike?

[Crazy Canuck]

You misspelled there.

It's weird, but I think that some time off for these greedy factions (players and owners) would do them good. Maybe gain some perspective? I seriously doubt that will happen though and in the long run they are just hurting the fans.

Thanks...

Lip service aside, the fans are not a prime consideration in these negotiations.

Perspective will come when the cost-benefit analysis of the work stoppage becomes prohibitive for one or both of the parties. In the end, I think they will be quite creative in how they reach agreement to help ensure that neither side is losing face.

Example: A graduated way, over the course of the new agreement, to reach the $$$ demanded by owners off the top for investment in new stadia.

A graduated drop in the percentage of revenue going to player income, tied to growth in revenues.

An 18 game schedule beginning in year ll of agreement.

The one issue which will be placed front-and-centre is draft related entry level salaries, and bonus. Minor in the grand scheme, but a fan fixation.

 

[Mulli]

Thanks...

Lip service aside, the fans are not a prime consideration in these negotiations.

Perspective will come when the cost-benefit analysis of the work stoppage becomes prohibitive for one or both of the parties. In the end, I think they will be quite creative in how they reach agreement to help ensure that neither side is losing face.

Example: A graduated way, over the course of the new agreement, to reach the $$$ demanded by owners off the top for investment in new stadia.

A graduated drop in the percentage of revenue going to player income, tied to growth in revenues.

An 18 game schedule beginning in year ll of agreement.

The one issue which will be placed front-and-centre is draft related entry level salaries, and bonus. Minor in the grand scheme, but a fan fixation.

Center, not centre.

 

[Seandonic]

the fans are not a prime consideration in these negotiations.

Sad but true.

There's no doubt that quite a bit of creativity will be needed to bring these two sides together. Your ideas are sound and could very well be how it plays out but in regards to losing face...that is inevitable. IMHO

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Center, not centre.

I understand the American dialect, but I speak and write the "Queen's" English as do the majority of English speakers in the world.

 

[kerouac9]

The 62% who believe their won't be a work stoppage are about to be disappointed (IMO)

I suppose it depends on what fans think is a "work stoppage." The (vast?) majority of football fans don't come to training camp and don't watch preseason games; they'll know that there's no free agency as a tickle in the back of their minds, but the draft'll come and go and then they'll watch baseball.

I think we'll get through the month without a new CBA, and probably through the draft. I think we'll get to when training camps usually open without a new CBA. I don't remember when the annual TV contract disbursements come out, but I think it's sometime in early August. That's when we'll see a deal done.

Then both sides can claim victory from hard negotiation and have a football season (maybe foreshortened--14 games? 12?) without the majority of fans really even knowing. This is personal for the hard-core fan bases who have been obsessing over free agency for two months, but for the large majority of casual fans, they're not going to notice until they're stuck with empty Sundays they usually use for NFL games.

 

[Gee!]

I understand the American dialect, but I speak and write the "Queen's" English as do the majority of English speakers in the world.

We dont recognize the Queen in America other than her being a leech on the British taxpayers..

As for the strike.. Im still not worried (that we will miss games) .. But I am starting to get pissed off now..

 

[Crazy Canuck]

We dont recognize the Queen in America other than her being a leech on the British taxpayers..

As for the strike.. Im still not worried (that we will miss games) .. But I am starting to get pissed off now..

Speak for yourself. Half or more of America wants an invitation to Prince William's wedding...

 

[Gee!]

Speak for yourself. Half or more of America wants an invitation to Prince William's wedding...

Where are you getting those #'s at?

Or are you just taking a jab at my royal wedding thread? haha

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Where are you getting those #'s at?

Or are you just taking a jab at my royal wedding thread? haha

No. I hadn't noted your thread.

I'm just defending the Crown, ever so slightly, and we in the Commonwealth cherish, love and respect our Royal leeches. So there!

 

[desertdawg]

Speak for yourself. Half or more of America wants an invitation to Prince William's wedding...

Who's Prince William?

I have heard of the queen before but I thought she already kicked the bucket.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Who's Prince William?

I have heard of the queen before but I thought she already kicked the bucket.

William is third in line to the Throne, and the Queen, bless her soul, is well.

 

[desertdawg]

William is third in line to the Throne, and the Queen, bless her soul, is well.

Right on, I liked her in The Naked Gun.

 

[Seandonic]

This thread is becoming a preview of what life will be like without football...a bunch of men talking about Queens, princes, and weddings......kill me now.

 

[john h]

If they do, how will it change you?

I think the Lockout is a done deal at this point. If they do not come to an agreement in the next 2 months both sides are idiots. If it came down to using players who would cross a picket line you can bet there would be a lot. The very young guys who need the money to live on would be the first unless the union supplies them with money. Everyone has to put food on the table for their family. The rich players will likely stand solid other than a few who are approaching retirement and who may actually need 1 more year to have retirement benefits. Guys who have been cut would surely be looking for work. Probably some guys in the CFL would join in. There are some players, you can be sure, who do not like Unions anyway. The owners could field some teams. I would watch them but know I am not looking at the best.

I do not know how the arrangement with Direct TV would work. Would the teams still receive payments? More than likely not. Both sides would lose here when it comes money. Both sides would lose money in the long term as some fans would just disappear and it would take some years to get them back. More importantly than all of this is the damage done to the communities in loss of revenue created by games not played. That could run into the billions. Before this happens I think we could see some Congressional and Presidential arm twisting as we are teetering on a second recession anyway with oil prices have shot over $100 a barrel and still climbing. I seriously doubt the players or owners could care less about this problem. With them it is mostly me me me me-----

I would suggest mandatory arbitration by a committee of three chosen by outside sources under which both sides would have to accept the terms of the committee. The government could not force, on its own, any settlement under current laws and IMHO should never have that power. They have and exercise to much power as it is. "killing the golden goose" sure comes to mind. We always have basketball and college football so you union guys and you big time owners go ahead. Make my day.

 

[john h]

A lot and I don't want to even think about it.

But I will say that I will have patience for the situation from March to mid-August.

If nothing is done by then, I will take notice that the NFL is a greedy, greedy organization where the only thing that matter is money.

If all that matters is money, then I will re-think the way I watch NFL football. If cheap is the way the NFL wants to be, then the fans should follow their lead, IMO. There are thousands of dollars to be saved if you look at being a fan in a financially responsible way.

When was it never about money?

 

[juza76]

I think the Lockout is a done deal at this point. If they do not come to an agreement in the next 2 months both sides are idiots. If it came down to using players who would cross a picket line you can bet there would be a lot. The very young guys who need the money to live on would be the first unless the union supplies them with money. Everyone has to put food on the table for their family. The rich players will likely stand solid other than a few who are approaching retirement and who may actually need 1 more year to have retirement benefits. Guys who have been cut would surely be looking for work. Probably some guys in the CFL would join in. There are some players, you can be sure, who do not like Unions anyway. The owners could field some teams. I would watch them but know I am not looking at the best.

I do not know how the arrangement with Direct TV would work. Would the teams still receive payments? More than likely not. Both sides would lose here when it comes money. Both sides would lose money in the long term as some fans would just disappear and it would take some years to get them back. More importantly than all of this is the damage done to the communities in loss of revenue created by games not played. That could run into the billions. Before this happens I think we could see some Congressional and Presidential arm twisting as we are teetering on a second recession anyway with oil prices have shot over $100 a barrel and still climbing. I seriously doubt the players or owners could care less about this problem. With them it is mostly me me me me-----

I would suggest mandatory arbitration by a committee of three chosen by outside sources under which both sides would have to accept the terms of the committee. The government could not force, on its own, any settlement under current laws and IMHO should never have that power. They have and exercise to much power as it is. "killing the golden goose" sure comes to mind. We always have basketball and college football so you union guys and you big time owners go ahead. Make my day.

if they dont get a deal ..how they can call a mandatory arbitration?

 

[john h]

It's the owners that are wanting the rules changed here. The players want to keep status quo for the most part.

If the owners (at least some of them) can open their books and show that they are not getting a reasonable return then there will have to be some adjustments made to new revenue created by more games or even 16 games. If these owners are not making much money anyway they have absolutely no reason to settle. There has to be some really serious problems here with the owners standing so firm and the players who's union will like all unions stand firm. I would bet if you asked each player in private what his real feelings were that most have no desire what so ever to go on strike. However, like most union workers no one wants to be the first to speak out for a settlement and become a black sheep in the NFL. Players in major sports who have crossed picket lines have been really treated bad by the other players once a settlement is reached. Then there are some of these players who could care less about what the union says and have spoken as much.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

This thread is becoming a preview of what life will be like without football...a bunch of men talking about Queens, princes, and weddings......kill me now.

 

[john h]

Well guys we do have the draft and baseball to keep us happy this summer & spring. I understand that in the two day draft period there can be trades made. That did no sound right but that is what I read.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Well guys we do have the draft and baseball to keep us happy this summer & spring. I understand that in the two day draft period there can be trades made. That did no sound right but that is what I read.

They can trade draft picks, not players.

 

[FArting]

Why do owners want a 18 game schedule?

 

[desertdawg]

Why do owners want a 18 game schedule?

$ and greed.

 

[Duckjake]

$ and greed.

Well that and the fans have been complaining about paying full price for pre season games for years.

 

[desertdawg]

Well that and the fans have been complaining about paying full price for pre season games for years.

I would love me some 18 games, I just hope they throw in another bye-week for the teams and let them bump up the # of actives.

 

[Duckjake]

I would love me some 18 games, I just hope they throw in another bye-week for the teams and let them bump up the # of actives.

You know they could take a page from baseball and the NBA and have like a 14 and/or 21 day disabled list and allow teams to call up guys from their practice squad to replace the guys on the list instead of having to lose a guy for the entire season on IR.

In addition to the practice squad guys the NFL and PUnion could agree to allow short term contracts like they do in the NBA. This could be a real boost for the UFL.

This would allow for more players without the owners having to guarantee minimum salaries, $300k+, for extra players for the entire season.