Will there be an NFL strike?

[Buckybird]

The players union already submitted a counter proposal saying the things they want done if there is an 18 game schedule. Just tweeks things a bit and didnt sound as though it was a big sticking point. Its pretty much a done deal.

Listen to what all the players say on ESPN & twitter Shane, they oppose it overwhelmingly...I haven't heard 1 player yet say they want to play 18 games.

 

[DoTheDew]

Listen to what all the players say on ESPN & twitter Shane, they oppose it overwhelmingly...I haven't heard 1 player yet say they want to play 18 games.

They don't want to play 18 games, but most of them would rather play 18 than 0.

 

[Shane]

Listen to what all the players say on ESPN & twitter Shane, they oppose it overwhelmingly...I haven't heard 1 player yet say they want to play 18 games.

Of course they prefer not to. But they gave what the concessions are gonna have to be in order for it to happen in the counter proposal from the players union. It all sounded reasonable and amicable.

Its a done deal whether you choose to believe that or not. JMO.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Of course they prefer not to. But they gave what the concessions are gonna have to be in order for it to happen in the counter proposal from the players union. It all sounded reasonable and amicable.

Its a done deal whether you choose to believe that or not. JMO.

No way. The fact that the owners want the players to cut salary AND add two more games to the schedule will be a very big sticking point.... the biggest of all of the negotiations....

Opinions of course.

 

[joeshmo]

No way. The fact that the owners want the players to cut salary AND add two more games to the schedule will be a very big sticking point.... the biggest of all of the negotiations....

Opinions of course.

That is not entirely true. Owners want to lower the percentage of revenue they pay to the players. If that were still in a 16 game season sure it would lower the overall pay to players, but in a 18 game season revenue will go up which means the players will still make more overall salary.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

That is not entirely true. Owners want to lower the percentage of revenue they pay to the players. If that were still in a 16 game season sure it would lower the overall pay to players, but in a 18 game season revenue will go up which means the players will still make more overall salary.

How much do they really expect revenues to go up? They are currently charging us full price for preseason games anyway......

 

[Cardiac]

How much do they really expect revenues to go up? They are currently charging us full price for preseason games anyway......

The NFL makes the lions share of their money from the TV contracts.

 

[Shane]

How much do they really expect revenues to go up? They are currently charging us full price for preseason games anyway......

In the grand scheme of things ticket sales isn't very much of the revenue for the NFL. It's the tv deals. With two more games the tv deals will go up guaranteed.

I read an article that sai the salary cap was based off that revenue and that revenue alone. Pretty much made it seem that when each team got their check from their cut in the deal that money was enough to cover their portion of the salary cap even before ticket sales and concessions.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The NFL makes the lions share of their money from the TV contracts.

In the grand scheme of things ticket sales isn't very much of the revenue for the NFL. It's the tv deals. With two more games the tv deals will go up guaranteed.

I read an article that sai the salary cap was based off that revenue and that revenue alone. Pretty much made it seem that when each team got their check from their cut in the deal that money was enough to cover their portion of the salary cap even before ticket sales and concessions.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought the TV deals were per season, and not per game and that they were already locked up until 2014. (CBS and Fox)

 

[kerouac9]

Of course they prefer not to. But they gave what the concessions are gonna have to be in order for it to happen in the counter proposal from the players union. It all sounded reasonable and amicable.

Its a done deal whether you choose to believe that or not. JMO.

I'm with you here. An 18 game season is completely a done deal. Those wheels are in motion and there's no stopping them. The players can complain, but they're basically just negotiating hoping for a greater percentage of revenue or whatever.

On the flip side, I think that the rookie wage scale is dead as dead for the same reason, but you're not hearing that as a negotiating point from either side really. You heard a back-and-forth about it, but management is going to have to give up too much (years 4 and 5 on rookie deals for all seveen rounds) to secure too little (a little salary protection for the top 5 picks in the draft).

 

[Shane]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought the TV deals were per season, and not per game and that they were already locked up until 2014. (CBS and Fox)

You are correct. But when the season is longer the per season amount will be going up guaranteed. That more revenue from advertising for the networks. You can bet the NFL will want a % of that.

 

[kerouac9]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought the TV deals were per season, and not per game and that they were already locked up until 2014. (CBS and Fox)

When do you think the 18 game season is going to take effect? It's not going to be in 2011. The 2012 season will be a bargain (maybe) for the networks, because they'll get two extra weeks of national coverage for free, but the NFL will then break the bank on their next deal.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

You are correct. But when the season is longer the per season amount will be going up guaranteed. That more revenue from advertising for the networks. You can bet the NFL will want a % of that.

Do we know that there is a provision in the contract that is going to generate more revenue when the 18 game schedule comes?

When do you think the 18 game season is going to take effect? It's not going to be in 2011. The 2012 season will be a bargain (maybe) for the networks, because they'll get two extra weeks of national coverage for free, but the NFL will then break the bank on their next deal.

I'm not sure.... Do I believe that there will eventually be an 18 game season? Absolutely. I just think that the players are really going to stick their collective feet in the sand until it really starts affecting their checkbooks; unless there are some major concessions from the owners. (which I don't see happening)

Furthermore, has anyone heard about the length of the next CBA? I would have to imagine that it is going to be at least 10 years or more.

 

[Cardiac]

Do we know that there is a provision in the contract that is going to generate more revenue when the 18 game schedule comes?

I'd be shocked if the NFL hasn't already discussed with the Networks what imact an 18 schedule would have. When Fox became a strong Network and outbid NBC? there were now 4 networks bidding on the rights. This bidding drove up the amount of the contracts.

At least in my market (PA) when CBS etc doesn't have a game (early or late) they typically have to run "paid advertisemtn" shows against the games that are on. This tells me if you don't have a NFL game to televise then you aren't going to get almost any viewers.



I'm not sure.... Do I believe that there will eventually be an 18 game season? Absolutely. I just think that the players are really going to stick their collective feet in the sand until it really starts affecting their checkbooks; unless there are some major concessions from the owners. (which I don't see happening)

It won't take long for many players to feel the effect to their checkbooks. I wonder how many have roster and or workout bonuses that they won't get with the lockout.

I think the players association and many agents will or do have a good idea on how much extra money the added games will bring. My guess is that the negotiating will be stickier on how much of this extra revenue goes to the players instead of an 18 game schedule.

Furthermore, has anyone heard about the length of the next CBA? I would have to imagine that it is going to be at least 10 years or more.

This is a very good point. I hope it is 10 years or more.

 

[NFLLockout]

Hey All-
I'm here from the NFL Players association and was just reading through this thread. First off, I hope everyone is enjoying today's games.
It seems we all agree, that an agreement needs to be reached, and that everyone deserves a football season next year. We're asking the fans to sign the online petition that can be found at nfllockout.com, so we can show the owners how many people want football next year. We appreciate your time!

 

[desertdawg]

Hey All-
I'm here from the NFL Players association and was just reading through this thread. First off, I hope everyone is enjoying today's games.
It seems we all agree, that an agreement needs to be reached, and that everyone deserves a football season next year. We're asking the fans to sign the online petition that can be found at nfllockout.com, so we can show the owners how many people want football next year. We appreciate your time!

Are you cool with the 18 games?

 

[NFLLockout]

With our the current labor agreement, no. The players will not be paid for playing those 2 additional games in the 18-Game plan. The owners are even asking for a larger portion of the players salaries in their new proposal.

If your boss wanted you to start working weekends, with no pay increase, it would be a pretty ridiculous offer, correct?

 

[desertdawg]

With our the current labor agreement, no. The players will not be paid for playing those 2 additional games in the 18-Game plan. The owners are even asking for a larger portion of the players salaries in their new proposal.

If your boss wanted you to start working weekends, with no pay increase, it would be a pretty ridiculous offer, correct?

That is the part where the owners suck. Work more, take less, I totally agree with you. Are the players cool with the 18 games and just want to payed accordingly? I really hope so, that can be cleared up easier than fighting the 18 games as a whole right? Just asking and I did sign the petition.

 

[NFLLockout]

That is the part where the owners suck. Work more, take less, I totally agree with you. Are the players cool with the 18 games and just want to payed accordingly? I really hope so, that can be cleared up easier than fighting the 18 games as a whole right? Just asking and I did sign the petition.

Thanks for signing the petition: we appreciate your help.

As far as the 18 games and an increase in pay goes...I think that's an unlikely scenario. The bottom line is that this year, more than any other year, there was a record number of injuries to players, and increasing the number of games will only hurt the players more. Even if they were to see an increase in pay, they would be sacrificing their health and functionality of their bodies. When a players' body is destroyed, he can't play.

 

[Duckjake]

With our the current labor agreement, no. The players will not be paid for playing those 2 additional games in the 18-Game plan. The owners are even asking for a larger portion of the players salaries in their new proposal.

If your boss wanted you to start working weekends, with no pay increase, it would be a pretty ridiculous offer, correct?

The players don't get paid for the preseason games? Just 16 checks a year? Of course when the minimum salary is over $300,000 its hard to worry about them not getting paid for having to play for 18 instead of 17.25 games.

And if my boss were paying me $300k to 19 million a year I'd come in on weekends with no pay increase without thinking twice about it.

EDIT: You know what? If I'm a veteran I'd rather play 18 real games against professionals and give up 2 playing against friggin' Kamikazes whose only hope of making an NFL roster and $300k plus a year was to blow me up getting a highlight real hit.

 

[NFLLockout]

That is the part where the owners suck. Work more, take less, I totally agree with you. Are the players cool with the 18 games and just want to payed accordingly? I really hope so, that can be cleared up easier than fighting the 18 games as a whole right? Just asking and I did sign the petition.

Hey, so I had a chance to follow up on your inquiry. Although an 18 game season will shorten careers, decrease healthcare, and increase the number of injuries, the NFLPA is open to making the necessary changes to obtain a fair agreement and avoid a lockout of football.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Thanks for signing the petition: we appreciate your help.

As far as the 18 games and an increase in pay goes...I think that's an unlikely scenario. The bottom line is that this year, more than any other year, there was a record number of injuries to players, and increasing the number of games will only hurt the players more. Even if they were to see an increase in pay, they would be sacrificing their health and functionality of their bodies. When a players' body is destroyed, he can't play.

Where are the studies showing that turning two pre-season games into games that count will appreciably increase the actual number of injuries?

The CFL, and they're not playing touch football, have been playing 18 games with a smaller roster for decades.

As a former pro athlete in a "crash" team sport, I know, as all players do, that the most physically dangerous time is training camp and exhibition games where idiots are throwing their bodies around recklessly in the hopes of making an impression.

 

[desertdawg]

Hey, so I had a chance to follow up on your inquiry. Although an 18 game season will shorten careers, decrease healthcare, and increase the number of injuries, the NFLPA is open to making the necessary changes to obtain a fair agreement and avoid a lockout of football.

That's good to hear, I was hoping the Players would be unified in their stance on the 18 games. 18 games is going to happen in my opinion and I hope the Players get payed for them, but I don't think the Owners will stop there. Fairness doesn't seem to be their objective right now, they want the money and the power. Good luck to you guys, and I hope we see some football on time.

 

[Gee!]

Im still not worried about a lock out..

 

[NFLLockout]

Where are the studies showing that turning two pre-season games into games that count will appreciably increase the actual number of injuries?

The CFL, and they're not playing touch football, have been playing 18 games with a smaller roster for decades.

As a former pro athlete in a "crash" team sport, I know, as all players do, that the most physically dangerous time is training camp and exhibition games where idiots are throwing their bodies around recklessly in the hopes of making an impression.

It's impossible to create a study that shows 2 extra games will definitely cause more injuries because they haven't tried it out yet; however, if you look at the number of injuries this year and the previous years, it seems all too likely. There were actually a record number of players on IR this year. Multiple owners, including Bill Ford, have come out and stated that they are against the 18 game season because of injuries. I have links to back this up, but I can't post them due to my total post count (it's too low). Let me know if you want me to PM it to you.

Playing in the NFL is like fighting against Tyson in his prime. Every time the players play another game, it's a gamble: they take a serious chance of injuring themselves. Adding two extra games just increases the likelihood that they will be seriously injured and unable to continue their career.

To your point about the CFL...the CFL is not the NFL, and it will never be. Yes, they aren't playing touch football, but it just doesn't compare to the physical abuse your body takes when playing in the NFL.