With the 4th pick, the Phoenix Suns Select

[AzStevenCal]

Sean Deveney says that Bledsoe is definitely on the trading block. Don't really understand it unless its all about his knees. I do not see Kris Dunn as a good enough replacement.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/new...am-cleveland-parade/gn6b8wy3q6h51xstf9nx3ts0c

I think it comes from the report a few weeks ago that Rich Paul had requested we trade Eric. But, Sean has been falsely "reporting" that we're committed to trading Bledsoe since before we gave him his contract. But the recent report that we aren't trading Bledsoe and that Paul has not requested a trade makes me wonder who is telling the truth.

 

[Covert Rain]

Well, why don't you just get an opinion instead of standing on the fence on this one?

I do think the league did something about it this year. I think the league forced the firing of Hinkie. They simply are not going to tolerate blatant tanking. If you do it as a GM as a matter of philosophy, you are going to lose your job. You at least have to make it look like you are trying to field a decent team.

I don't know if I buy the league forced his firing. However, even if they did it's such a cop out. No coach in the NBA makes a decision like that (to tank) without the support of the front office and ownership. If they end up firing the HC or GM it's a scapegoat measure. No way teams FO/Ownership don't have a hand in that.

I think it comes from the report a few weeks ago that Rich Paul had requested we trade Eric. But, Sean has been falsely "reporting" that we're committed to trading Bledsoe since before we gave him his contract. But the recent report that we aren't trading Bledsoe and that Paul has not requested a trade makes me wonder who is telling the truth.

Where there is smoke there probably is fire. I bet there is some truth to all this but to what degree is the interesting part.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Well, why don't you just get an opinion instead of standing on the fence on this one?

I do think the league did something about it this year. I think the league forced the firing of Hinkie. They simply are not going to tolerate blatant tanking. If you do it as a GM as a matter of philosophy, you are going to lose your job. You at least have to make it look like you are trying to field a decent team.

Yeah, I know, but I keep hearing it and seriously, I worry about it gaining steam this way. I still remember watching something like this unfold in college basketball when Dick Vitale complained about the alternating possession rule. He said it often enough that it picked up support and the NCAA changed it to award the defensive effort (like Dick wanted). It turned out to be one of the worst rules changes ever and they quickly turned it back the next season but for one year, it was a real joke.

I could see the same thing happening with this rule change if it gains enough grass roots support. Organizations like Phoenix would suffer but the LA's of the league have so much power, we'd probably never get it changed back unlike the NCAA rule.

As for Hinkie, I think the league stepped in for all the reasons other than tanking. Had he maintained decent relationships with the rest of the league (agents etc.) he'd probably still be there. But Hinkie was not fired. He took his ball and went home. He was insulted so he quit, quite self righteously too, with his million page manifesto to the board (okay, it was only 7,000 words). But you should read that letter, it might change your mind on whether he was forced out.

In his letter he basically admits his shortcomings with the way he interacted with his peers, media and agents because he was afraid that other teams would copy his tanking methods if they knew how successful he was being. The guy's a loon IMO, a genius, but a loon.

 

[devilalum]

I think it comes from the report a few weeks ago that Rich Paul had requested we trade Eric. But, Sean has been falsely "reporting" that we're committed to trading Bledsoe since before we gave him his contract. But the recent report that we aren't trading Bledsoe and that Paul has not requested a trade makes me wonder who is telling the truth.

You never know who to believe. How many times have we heard a team declare that they have no intention of trading a player and then trade him a few days later? IMO the denials are often just part of the game. Maybe to keep a player happy, maybe to get another team to up their offer...

Agents and players play the same games.

 

[sunsfan88]

Sean Deveney says that Bledsoe is definitely on the trading block. Don't really understand it unless its all about his knees. I do not see Kris Dunn as a good enough replacement.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/new...am-cleveland-parade/gn6b8wy3q6h51xstf9nx3ts0c

I certainly hope we're not choosing to keep Knight over Bledsoe.

Even with his injury issues, I take Bledsoe 10 times out of 10 over Knight. Especially considering that Knight is no durable warrior either and he himself has been starting become injury prone since being traded here.

 

[devilalum]

I certainly hope we're not choosing to keep Knight over Bledsoe.

Even with his injury issues, I take Bledsoe 10 times out of 10 over Knight. Especially considering that Knight is no durable warrior either and he himself has been starting become injury prone since being traded here.

It makes since if they're going to draft Dunn. IMO Knight would be good in the "Crawford" role whereas Bledsoe is a PG.

sent from a fone

 

[Covert Rain]

You never know who to believe. How many times have we heard a team declare that they have no intention of trading a player and then trade him a few days later? IMO the denials are often just part of the game. Maybe to keep a player happy, maybe to get another team to up their offer...

Agents and players play the same games.

Agree then there is the opposite where is a player is being shopped hard or the deal fell apart at the last minute and the organization comes out to say..."There never was a trade. We just pick up the phone when someone calls".

Yeah....right.

 

[Phrazbit]

Over the last 3 years when Bledsoe is on the court the Suns are a winning team, without him their record is one of the worst in the NBA, the guy is a legit impact player. His injuries are ones many players have over come without looking back, it would really be dumb to ship him off right now when his value is a questionmark. Unless someone is blowing us away then I wouldn't answer the phone.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I don't know if I buy the league forced his firing. However, even if they did it's such a cop out. No coach in the NBA makes a decision like that (to tank) without the support of the front office and ownership. If they end up firing the HC or GM it's a scapegoat measure. No way teams FO/Ownership don't have a hand in that.



Where there is smoke there probably is fire. I bet there is some truth to all this but to what degree is the interesting part.

Hinkie was the front office. The GM is the second in command to the owner. They can't fire the owner.

And I am for keeping Bledsoe, unless there is something going on with his health we do not know about. I suppose he could be requesting a trade.

 

[Covert Rain]

Hinkie was the front office. The GM is the second in command to the owner. They can't fire the owner.

And I am for keeping Bledsoe, unless there is something going on with his health we do not know about. I suppose he could be requesting a trade.

I didn't say they could. I am saying that no HC or GM makes the decision to tank in a vacuum. When you decide to tank, you impact gate receipts, advertising, ratings, draft position etc. The list is huge. The league taking any action but coming down on an owner is a complete cop out. If a team tanks and then turns around and fires it's GM or HC it's just scapegoating.

There is no way anybody decides to "tank" without the entire FO/Ownership knowing it. Not unless you want to argue that some team has the most incompetent owner on the planet.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I didn't say they could. I am saying that no HC or GM makes the decision to tank in a vacuum. When you decide to tank, you impact gate receipts, advertising, ratings, draft position etc. The list is huge. The league taking any action but coming down on an owner is a complete cop out. If a team tanks and then turns around and fires it's GM or HC it's just scapegoating.

There is no way anybody decides to "tank" without the entire FO/Ownership knowing it. Not unless you want to argue that some team has the most incompetent owner on the planet.

I think sending in Jerry Colangelo to watch your team and get things in order is coming down on the owner too.

 

[Covert Rain]

I think sending in Jerry Colangelo to watch your team and get things in order is coming down on the owner too.

Jerry sounds more like...hey...we really screwed up with our strategy...can you come fix us?!?

 

[mojorizen7]

If the Suns draft Bender over Chriss....

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[mojorizen7]

Which player(s) is the board leaning towards? No poll?

 

[simply_amare]

If the Suns draft Bender over Chriss....

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I am leaning towards Chriss, as well.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think we'll take Chriss but he'll cost us a lot of games through much of his rookie contract. I hope we're patient enough and he works hard enough to make it worthwhile in the long run.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I think I want in this order:

Bender - I'm starting to buy the hype. They're all flawed and if he's the guy people think has third most upside, then sign me up for the twin towers of euro terror (7'1 Len and 7'1 Bender)

Brown - I don't know why, cuz I usually argue big over small, but a gut feeling tells me brown might be a better gamble over Chriss.

Chriss - I'm not mad at a 6'10 pogo stick, just think he's the biggest gamble. Most fouls in ncaa? No defensive awareness? Tall but narrow shoulders (he doesn't have the frame amare had)? If we take him I'll hope for the best, but don't expect much.

No one else excites me at all. I can't remember the last time I was so UNexcited about a draft. And we usually don't get to pick this high.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I think I want in this order:

Bender - I'm starting to buy the hype. They're all flawed and if he's the guy people think has third most upside, then sign me up for the twin towers of euro terror (7'1 Len and 7'1 Bender)

Brown - I don't know why, cuz I usually argue big over small, but a gut feeling tells me brown might be a better gamble over Chriss.

Chriss - I'm not mad at a 6'10 pogo stick, just think he's the biggest gamble. Most fouls in ncaa? No defensive awareness? Tall but narrow shoulders (he doesn't have the frame amare had)? If we take him I'll hope for the best, but don't expect much.

No one else excites me at all. I can't remember the last time I was so UNexcited about a draft. And we usually don't get to pick this high.

I am ok with either Bender or Chriss, although would take Chriss if it were my choice.

Any reason people don't compare Chriss to Bosh? Seems a more likely comp than Amare.

 

[Sunburn]

I am ok with either Bender or Chriss, although would take Chriss if it were my choice.

Any reason people don't compare Chriss to Bosh? Seems a more likely comp than Amare.

Because Chriss can't rebound?

 

[hcsilla]

I am ok with either Bender or Chriss, although would take Chriss if it were my choice.

Any reason people don't compare Chriss to Bosh?

Bosh was more polished and less athletic than Chriss.

 

[elindholm]

Chriss sounds a bit like Rashard Lewis to me, although I realize that no one else is saying that.

 

[raptor100]

Chriss sounds a bit like Rashard Lewis to me, although I realize that no one else is saying that.

all the love for a guy who garnered 5.6 rebounds last season.

 

[slinslin]

all the love for a guy who garnered 5.6 rebounds last season.

As a 18 year old in ~24mpg and playing through foul trouble and playing a lot on the perimeter even on defense.

Not to mention rebounding is only one skill and it is one of the few things the Suns are already pretty good at.

Why do we need a 6'10 postplayer/center with alligator arms who rebounds well in college, has the vertical leap of Charles Barkley right now.

 

[devilalum]

As a 18 year old in ~24mpg and playing through foul trouble and playing a lot on the perimeter even on defense.

Not to mention rebounding is only one skill and it is one of the few things the Suns are already pretty good at.

That's the thing. Even with the one and done we still don't have much to go on when it comes to evaluating these kids. I'm guessing the workouts and the interviews are much more telling and we are not privileged to any of that information.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

As a 18 year old in ~24mpg and playing through foul trouble and playing a lot on the perimeter even on defense.
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You can't keep quoting the 24 mpg like its the reason his rebounding was low. Due to being a fouling machine he couldn't stay on the floor so his contributions were limited. And that will remain the case if he doesn't improve in tha area. And a lot of accounts are that he might not do so.