With the 4th pick, the Phoenix Suns Select

[JCSunsfan]

Is Okafor even the type of player we would want?

 

[sunsfan88]

Is Okafor even the type of player we would want?

For Brandon Knight, any player is the type of player that we would want. Especially a top 3 pick from just a draft ago that showed promise on the basketball court even if he needs help off it.

And I think Tyson Chandler would be the perfect one to mentor him off the court too.

 

[devilalum]

Is Okafor even the type of player we would want?

If the Suns had a good nucleus you might ask this question but outside of maybe Booker the Suns are wet garbage. If you can get a possible star you do it and then find the pieces to go with him.

Only problem is nobody seems to think Ojafor is a future star. I read that nobody is willing to give up a high #1 for him.

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[Chaplin]

If the Suns had a good nucleus you might ask this question but outside of maybe Booker the Suns are wet garbage. If you can get a possible star you do it and then find the pieces to go with him.

Only problem is nobody seems to think Ojafor is a future star. I read that nobody is willing to give up a high #1 for him.

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But is he worth a #4 in this draft? I'd say yes. Further, is he worth the #4 and say, Brandon Knight? Probably not, talent-wise, but TEAM-WISE, maybe so. Certainly yes from this board's perspective.

 

[devilalum]

But is he worth a #4 in this draft? I'd say yes. Further, is he worth the #4 and say, Brandon Knight? Probably not, talent-wise, but TEAM-WISE, maybe so. Certainly yes from this board's perspective.

I'd say yes too but I just read that nobody in the top 5 is willing to give up their pick for him and the Sixers are moving on to plan B.

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

But is he worth a #4 in this draft? I'd say yes. Further, is he worth the #4 and say, Brandon Knight? Probably not, talent-wise, but TEAM-WISE, maybe so. Certainly yes from this board's perspective.

Agree on all points.

 

[JCSunsfan]

For Brandon Knight, any player is the type of player that we would want. Especially a top 3 pick from just a draft ago that showed promise on the basketball court even if he needs help off it.

And I think Tyson Chandler would be the perfect one to mentor him off the court too.

My son says the same thing about his cars. He drives it for a while, can't stand it, and then trades it for something worse. I am sorry, there is a LOT out there that is worse than Brandon Knight.

Besides. Its not Brandon Knight only, its Brandon Knight plus the 4. But if we trade for a player, we should trade for a player that we WANT, not just a different player than what we have. Its called having a plan and not just making trades willy nilly.

So, the question again. Is Okafor the type of starting center (or pf?) that we want to build with?

 

[devilalum]

My son says the same thing about his cars. He drives it for a while, can't stand it, and then trades it for something worse. I am sorry, there is a LOT out there that is worse than Brandon Knight.

Besides. Its not Brandon Knight only, its Brandon Knight plus the 4. But if we trade for a player, we should trade for a player that we WANT, not just a different player than what we have. Its called having a plan and not just making trades willy nilly.

So, the question again. Is Okafor the type of starting center (or pf?) that we want to build with?

I WANT Lebron James, can we trade for LBJ?

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[Covert Rain]

It would be absolutely amazing if we could flip Knight and #13 for Okafor. Hell I'll even throw in PJ Tucker or maybe the #27 pick too.

#13 and Knight for Okafor? Done. I would hope we could swap picks too but this is worth it since at #13 it is a large crap shoot than normal.

 

[AzStevenCal]

#13 and Knight for Okafor? Done. I would hope we could swap picks too but this is worth it since at #13 it is a large crap shoot than normal.

I think you can only go so far building around a player like Okafor but I suspect it's further than you can go building around Knight so I'd probably do the deal. But since the only reason Philly is interested in moving him right now is so they supposedly can grab Dunn, our offer is probably not going to interest them. I think they'd jump at the 4 straight up though and as we're likely to find a better market for Knight after he plays healthy for a few months, that might be workable.

But I'm not sure this draft is any more of a crap shoot at 13 than usual unless players such as D. Murray, Thon, Zhou, Labissiere all go around there. Mostly I see the big gamble being in the 3 to 8 spots (roughly).

By the time we get to 13, there's a fair chance that one or more of Poeltl, Sabonis, Ellenson and Davis will be available and those are steals in the teens in any draft IMO. Three of them are very solid players being ignored or talked down because they aren't the highlight reel guys. But other than Davis, they will likely start and play early on and for a long time. And Davis is the type of gamble you normally find and love to take in the early teens IMO.

 

[sunsfan88]

I think you can only go so far building around a player like Okafor but I suspect it's further than you can go building around Knight so I'd probably do the deal. But since the only reason Philly is interested in moving him right now is so they supposedly can grab Dunn, our offer is probably not going to interest them. I think they'd jump at the 4 straight up though and as we're likely to find a better market for Knight after he plays healthy for a few months, that might be workable.

I'm not so sure this is possible. I think other teams will notice that Knight played at all star level for the Bucks and yet they couldn't wait to rid of him and their fans rejoiced at his departure. The fact that we would trade him so quick also speaks volumes about the type of player he is.

I doubt his stock will improve much. On top of being a wildly inconsistent player who makes awful decisions on the basketball court, Knight may now be developing the injury prone label as well.

And I don't want to waste another season trying to improve his trade value kinda like how we wasted last season with Kieff and the season before that with IT etc.

 

[sunsfan88]

My son says the same thing about his cars. He drives it for a while, can't stand it, and then trades it for something worse. I am sorry, there is a LOT out there that is worse than Brandon Knight.

Besides. Its not Brandon Knight only, its Brandon Knight plus the 4. But if we trade for a player, we should trade for a player that we WANT, not just a different player than what we have. Its called having a plan and not just making trades willy nilly.

So, the question again. Is Okafor the type of starting center (or pf?) that we want to build with?

That's not true. The latest report and I believe the one I quoted said that no team is willing to part with a top 5 pick for him so now the 76ers are looking into trading him for a veteran guard. I added the #13 part myself.

As for #4, it depends on whose available. If McD doesn't like the players all that much and thinks Okafor has more promise than anyone available for us then sure trade it too. Trading Knight with #4 pick as opposed to just trading the pick by itself shouldn't bring any tears to anyone.

 

[Covert Rain]

Knight if healthy could draw more interest at the next trade deadline. Teams get desperate around that time. Simply playing healthy I don't think is going to draw interest alone. There has to be a market for teams at the trade deadline in need of PG help. That's probably going to be the height of his value if you can't move him now.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Knight if healthy could draw more interest at the next trade deadline. Teams get desperate around that time. Simply playing healthy I don't think is going to draw interest alone. There has to be a market for teams at the trade deadline in need of PG help. That's probably going to be the height of his value if you can't move him now.

He really hasn't played healthy since he left Milwaukee. I have to believe that would be a concern for any potential trade partner until he can get back to full speed and do it for a few months.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

Although it would have been beneficial for the Suns to lose out and get a top 2 pick in this draft. It doesnt mean they lose out in talent at 4 or later in the draft. Our best players the Suns have drafted were, Amare & Marion #9, Majerle, #14, and Nash #15. Hopefully we find more of those gems. Franchise type players.

 

[Covert Rain]

Although it would have been beneficial for the Suns to lose out and get a top 2 pick in this draft. It doesnt mean they lose out in talent at 4 or later in the draft. Our best players the Suns have drafted were, Amare & Marion #9, Majerle, #14, and Nash #15. Hopefully we find more of those gems. Franchise type players.

Although true that is a snippet of draft picks over 50+ years. More often than not it's easier to find franchise level talent much lower in the draft usually than drafting in the "teens" all the time.

 

[slinslin]

It is pointless to explain this to people who are fundamentally opposed to tanking.

I have realized that the real problem is the impatient Suns fanbase not necessarily Sarver.

A significant part of the Suns fanbase would trade away our entire team and future picks for dantoni, dragic, hayward and love.

 

[Covert Rain]

It is pointless to explain this to people who are fundamentally opposed to tanking.

I have realized that the real problem is the impatient Suns fanbase not necessarily Sarver.

A significant part of the Suns fanbase would trade away our entire team and future picks for dantoni, dragic, hayward and love.

Who exactly is saying they want D'Antoni or Dragic back? Who has ever said trade away the kitchen sink for any of the above? Are we reading the same forums?

Also, 50+ years without a title demands less patience.

In terms of tanking, I just don't think the team should avoid it. Not saying they should deliberately tank each year or anything like that. However, if your team flat out sucks and it's going to be one of those years? Don't make stupid trades to make the team look "fun" and sacrifice your position in the draft for short term gate receipts.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

Ive said before Id love to have both Mike and Dragic back. Im sure Im in the minority, but I love winning BB and that style of play. I think Mike would have put Goran in the position to excel in that style. Mike has just recently said he should have never left Phx and I agree. You cant win a championship if your not in position to do so. Mike gave us a winning program and a chance. Thats all you can ask for really....errr and maybe a little defense.
Sorry for hijacking this thread, just answering a question.

 

[Covert Rain]

Ive said before Id love to have both Mike and Dragic back. Im sure Im in the minority, but I love winning BB and that style of play. I think Mike would have put Goran in the position to excel in that style. Mike has just recently said he should have never left Phx and I agree. You cant win a championship if your not in position to do so. Mike gave us a winning program and a chance. Thats all you can ask for really....errr and maybe a little defense.
Sorry for hijacking this thread, just answering a question.

I know there were a couple I have seen say stuff like that but you are right...it's a minority. The post above made it sound as if the majority of Suns fans would do something like that. I don't think that is the case here.

 

[JCSunsfan]

It is pointless to explain this to people who are fundamentally opposed to tanking.

I have realized that the real problem is the impatient Suns fanbase not necessarily Sarver.

A significant part of the Suns fanbase would trade away our entire team and future picks for dantoni, dragic, hayward and love.

Tanking is bad for the league and rarely produces results unless the team is really, really bad to begin with. There is a simple rule change that could help. No team gets a top 3 pick more than once every 5 years, and a number 1 pick no more than once every 10 years.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Although it would have been beneficial for the Suns to lose out and get a top 2 pick in this draft. It doesnt mean they lose out in talent at 4 or later in the draft. Our best players the Suns have drafted were, Amare & Marion #9, Majerle, #14, and Nash #15. Hopefully we find more of those gems. Franchise type players.

We could have lost out and been in play at 3 but we were never in the hunt for 2. The Lakers had a cushion and there's no way they were going to risk that cushion. Had we lost out, they'd have done what they did a month earlier, lost every game until we won a couple ourselves. Our wins cost us the 3rd spot and cost us the increased chance to hit the jackpot. Each of those is potentially a big deal, fortunately, they look to be of no importance this time.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Tanking is bad for the league and rarely produces results unless the team is really, really bad to begin with. There is a simple rule change that could help. No team gets a top 3 pick more than once every 5 years, and a number 1 pick no more than once every 10 years.

I would say "tanking is POTENTIALLY" bad for the league, so far that doesn't appear to be the case though. And, sorry to be so blunt, but your simple rule change sucks IMO. The big market teams already have a huge advantage, you're talking about decreasing one of the few equalizers that exist. I think it's an absolutely horrible suggestion and I cringe every time I hear it mentioned. The "Haves" love the idea for a reason.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Sean Deveney says that Bledsoe is definitely on the trading block. Don't really understand it unless its all about his knees. I do not see Kris Dunn as a good enough replacement.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/new...am-cleveland-parade/gn6b8wy3q6h51xstf9nx3ts0c

 

[JCSunsfan]

I would say "tanking is POTENTIALLY" bad for the league, so far that doesn't appear to be the case though. And, sorry to be so blunt, but your simple rule change sucks IMO. The big market teams already have a huge advantage, you're talking about decreasing one of the few equalizers that exist. I think it's an absolutely horrible suggestion and I cringe every time I hear it mentioned. The "Haves" love the idea for a reason.

Well, why don't you just get an opinion instead of standing on the fence on this one?

I do think the league did something about it this year. I think the league forced the firing of Hinkie. They simply are not going to tolerate blatant tanking. If you do it as a GM as a matter of philosophy, you are going to lose your job. You at least have to make it look like you are trying to field a decent team.