With the Josh Allen extension, gotta imagine Kyler's up next year

[BritCard]

Lotta whining about other peoples’ money. The market could re-adjust; the rookie QB contract is still the most valuable in sports. Some team is going to figure out that a mobile QB could be a pretty fungible asset and just cycle through them every four years.

some team is going to figure out that they could build a really good roster around a jimmy G level player on a $25 million salary. That’s basically what the Titans are doing now.

These massive QB deals are undergirded by the assumption that new broadcasting deals will kick in over the next four years and reset the cap market.

This is my opinion. I think both are becoming very viable alternatives the way the market is going.

Marcus Marriota has three 9-7 seasons and isn't starting over Derek Carr. Which brings up two points. For all the Kyler hype, Marriota could have a better record coming up to a new deal, and back to your point, I feel any good HC should be able to build a solid playoff contender with upside around Marriota on sub $20m a year and a strong roster around him.

 

[Cardinal Bob]

It's be nice if Kyler actually WON something to EARN a big extension, rather than just be given one because of his draft position...

 

[kerouac9]

Where's the line where you say "I'm not paying you that much of the cap and I'm happy to move on if you want".

There comes a point where it just makes more sense to punt on the draft right? Say Kyler has another promising but not great year. He's statistically solid at 4000/28/12 and 700 running but that special something that drags teams over the line just isn't there. He want's $40+ mil in line with Allen.

What makes more sense? Tying up that much of the cap for 4-5 years on a guy that's maybe had 1 playoff game? Or trading him and using that pick and a bunch more to move up and grab the next "sure thing" in the draft?

Some QB is going to get a deal that scales to a percentage of the cap — a lot of people thought that Russ or Rodgers could have done this on their extensions.

COVID screwed up the plans for a lot of teams for their cap management, but many people expect it to explode again over the next three seasons and put top QB salaries back into perspective.

the class of QB that has almost entirely disappeared is the fine veteran on a second or third contract. The Alex Smith or Andy Dalton type deal. Ryan Tannehill is really one of the only guys.

 

[GatorAZ]

If you told me a year ago Allen is getting those numbers I’m admitting you to Arkham. Credit to him and the Bills for his development.

 

[Hoodhero]

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K1 getting massive payday if steps up this season

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Big deal for Josh Allen. Six years, $258 million, $150 million guaranteed. Kyler will probably get that or more. Seems like it's the norm for these rookie deals to get extended as soon as possible. Gonna have to start drafting better, because we won't have much left for FAs.

Why would Kyler get more than that? Allen has accomplished more than Kyler thus far. If he leads cards to playoffs and wins at leas one game than I can see it happening.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

There should be a rule that a cap hit for a player can be no more than 15-20% of the cap. All they are doing is taking $ from other players and putting the team in a hole to put pieces around them

Florio has been saying for years that elite QBs would be smart to negotiate a fixed % of the cap as their salary, instead of dollar amount...that way as cap goes up, their pay goes up, without impacting ability to pay rest of team.

 

[Dback Jon]

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K1 getting massive payday if steps up this season

No doubt.

 

[Dback Jon]

Florio has been saying for years that elite QBs would be smart to negotiate a fixed % of the cap as their salary, instead of dollar amount...that way as cap goes up, their pay goes up, without impacting ability to pay rest of team.

Awesome idea. NBA has max salaries - no reason why the NFL shouldn't as well

 

[Solar7]

Why would Kyler get more than that? Allen has accomplished more than Kyler thus far. If he leads cards to playoffs and wins at leas one game than I can see it happening.

Like I said, that or more. Kyler's the next big name viable for an extension and he and his representation are likely going to want the vanity play of being the top paid. Aaron Rodgers is really the only other QB due a big payday after a trade, but at his age won't net the lengthy extension Kyler could get.

I dunno, it just seems to me that Kyler's got all of the leverage here. Are the Cards really going to risk ******* him off or having him hold out? Who else does this team have with star power besides D-Hop?

Now, if he regresses, we have a completely different story.

 

[Sparky16]

Sparkey, how do Josh's stats compare to Kyler's? I have no idea.

Last year, not even close. In addition the measurables are even further apart. Outside of the Card fan glasses, it is obvious

 

[Sparky16]

No doubt.

Josh Allen would have played week 17 against the Rams with a bruised shin......

 

[Sparky16]

Awesome idea. NBA has max salaries - no reason why the NFL shouldn't as well

Thats a great idea, it would make it simple to the teammates also about how much their buddy is taking of the pie. When Labronda is complaining to the 6th man they can respond with maybe if you were not hogging 40% of the cap we could get some more help

 

[QuebecCard]

Last year, not even close. In addition the measurables are even further apart. Outside of the Card fan glasses, it is obvious

What's obvious is that Allen had a breakout third season, and Kyler is entering his third after two better seasons than your man crush.

 

[Finito]

Another reason our retention of KK and Keim this offseason was so egregious. Wasting the final stages of low-cap hit of the rookie deal is just dumb.

so you want like 3 coaches in 4 years yeah that’s a sign of a good franchise

 

[GatorAZ]

The last two years are essentially team options:

Josh Allen Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money, and Contract History | Over The Cap

Josh Allen contract and salary cap details, including signing bonus, guaranteed salary, dead money, roster bonuses, and contract history

overthecap.com

 

[SoonerLou]

I'd argue Kyler was much better than Josh was his 1st two years. However, I'm not sure Kyler makes the jump Josh did his 3rd year. He morphed from Mitch Trubisky with a cannon to looking like prime Big Ben.

 

[Solar7]

so you want like 3 coaches in 4 years yeah that’s a sign of a good franchise

Better than holding on to someone who can't do the job. Wasn't that the argument for getting rid of Rosen for Murray? To stop believing in sunk cost fallacy?

This organization, especially in the front office, is in desperate need of hitting the reset button.

 

[Finito]

Better than holding on to someone who can't do the job. Wasn't that the argument for getting rid of Rosen for Murray? To stop believing in sunk cost fallacy?

This organization, especially in the front office, is in desperate need of hitting the reset button.

we were pretty much a kicker away from the playoffs last year

 

[Solar7]

we were pretty much a kicker away from the playoffs last year

We were in back to back games against backup QBs and only needed one. Couldn't get it done.

Also, we were only even that close because the league expanded the amount of playoff participants. This is like me bragging that I got an A in Macro Econ at ASU when the professor moved the curve so far that what would have been an F was a C.

 

[Stout]

so you want like 3 coaches in 4 years yeah that’s a sign of a good franchise

Sunk cost fallacy. If your coach sucks, firing him and starting over is a far more desirable outcome than sticking your head in the sand and pretending all is well.

we were pretty much a kicker away from the playoffs last year

Yet some moron continually coached scared at the end of games and PLAYED FOR FIELD GOALS. Thank you so much for proving my point.

 

[DVontel]

How did a Josh Allen extension thread turned into another Kliff thread

 

[Finito]

How did a Josh Allen extension thread turned into another Kliff thread

cause that’s what this forum does.

good for josh Allen getting paid

us: our coach sucks, even when we won we got lucky and so on and so on.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Sunk cost fallacy. If your coach sucks, firing him and starting over is a far more desirable outcome than sticking your head in the sand and pretending all is well.




Yet some moron continually coached scared at the end of games and PLAYED FOR FIELD GOALS. Thank you so much for proving my point.

The objective is to win the game. You can play for field goals or not but the reality in the pros is most games seem to come down to three points or less... Kliff hence was not wrong, but our kicker was to blame unless you think Kliff had some juggernaut of talent which winning would come down to blowing people out

 

[Arz101]

Kyler earned a second contract with his individual performance in the past two years. If Kyler is not in MVP conversation and fails to take Cardinals into playoffs now then what is the worth? Is it good to pay 150 million for Stafford like stats without team success?

PS: I do think Cardinals will extend Murray no matter what.