Worst case scenerio Mock Draft: Ingram, Floyd, Reiff, DeCastro, Keuchly gone by #13

[Lomax to Green 84]

#1-Indianapolis (Andrew Luck)

#2-Washington (Robert Griffin III)

#3-Minnesota (Matt Kalil)

#4-Cleveland (Trent Richardson)

#5-Tampa Bay (Morris Claiborne)

#6-St. Louis (Justin Blackmon)

#7-Jacksonville (Melvin Ingram)

#8-Miami (Ryan Tannehill)

#9-Carolina (Michael Floyd-Gives Newton another bigtime target opposite Steve Smith)

#10-Buffalo (Riley Reiff-Bell is gone, paid huge money to Fitzpatrick last year, need to protect your QB investment)

#11-Kansas City (David DeCastro-Kansas City has alot of New England influence in the front office. DeCastro is a smart, scheme diverse Offensive Guard. The Chiefs pride themselves on running the ball and controlling the clock. Led the league in rushing in 2010, but slipped last year. DeCastro is a perfect fit.)

#12-Seattle-Luke Keuchly (Perfect fit in Seattle's defense. Seahawks have been looking for a defensive leader at linebacker for a long time.)

#13-Arizona-??????? Quite a few here would be ok with Cordy Glenn. I really respect the opinions of Charley Casserly and Mike Mayock. Both see Glenn as a Late 1st and more likely a 2nd round value. Would be a huge reach here at #13. Trading down would be the #1 choice, but if no trade down is available I am predicting a bit of a curveball here: South Carolina CB Stephon Gilmore. Would give Arizona a terrific group of corners and allows Horton to be even more daring with blitz packages.

 

[imaCafan]

#13-Arizona-??????? Quite a few here would be ok with Cordy Glenn. I really respect the opinions of Charley Casserly and Mike Mayock. Both see Glenn as a Late 1st and more likely a 2nd round value. Would be a huge reach here at #13. Trading down would be the #1 choice, but if no trade down is available I am predicting a bit of a curveball here: South Carolina CB Stephon Gilmore. Would give Arizona a terrific group of corners and allows Horton to be even more daring with blitz packages.

Gilmore over Kirkpatrick???? Or maybe Barron, we will need to replace AW soon....

 

[Vermont Maverick]

I would not like this draft...

Unfortunately, this is the Cordy Glenn scenario.

Gilmore maybe. Coples? (I know he doesn't fit, but use him as a pass rusher). Might have to go Fletcher Cox (I know we don't need him, but BPA) (And I would hate this too, because it would likely spell the end of Calais. Upshaw or Marcellis? I don't think we are going Barron. Wilson has at least 2 good years left.

 

[WildBB]

Gilmore over Kirkpatrick???? Or maybe Barron, we will need to replace AW soon....

Gilmore was a vocal leader on the GC D. He doesn't have the issues DK has with pot. He's a student of the game. He's got some height. He's a very decent cover corner.

It's a passing league. The really good teams are for the most part anyway.


I'd rather have Jefferson, Toler and Gay competing as the 3rd and 4th CB's. Or at least have Gilmore waiting in the wings, soon to take over the spot opposite PP.

They could do much worse, imo. Much better value than Glenn there, for sure.

 

[JeffGollin]

K Wright WR
Poe or Brocker DT
Cox DT/DE
Perry DE
Upshaw or Branch OLB
Hightower ILB

 

[Duckjake]

I would not like this draft...

Unfortunately, this is the Cordy Glenn scenario.

Gilmore maybe. Coples? (I know he doesn't fit, but use him as a pass rusher). Might have to go Fletcher Cox (I know we don't need him, but BPA) (And I would hate this too, because it would likely spell the end of Calais. Upshaw or Marcellis? I don't think we are going Barron. Wilson has at least 2 good years left.

I like both those guys for us. Also Gilmore or Kendall Wright. Not too enamored with Cordy Glenn but he wouldn't be too bad either. I just don't see how this draft can go bad for us before we pick. There doesn't appear to be many superstars but an awful lot of very solid football players in this class. Not a bad year to have a pick like #13. Oh yeah, don't forget 13 is the Cards lucky number.

 

[football karma]

K Wright WR
Poe or Brocker DT
Cox DT/DE
Perry DE
Upshaw or Branch OLB
Hightower ILB

It's not the worst "worst case" group to choose from

I would add Steven Hill, WR to that group as well, along with Gilmore

The draft should be interesting-- one thing I read/noticed is that there seems to be a variety of rankings within position groups across teams.

Ingram, Upshaw, Perry, et all -- diff teams have those guys in diff orders

Blackmon, Floyd,---- Wright, Hill, Randal: diff teams have the top two, and then the rest in diff order

Reiff, Adams, Glenn -- again, diff of opinion who belongs after Kahlil and where.

 

[Pariah]

I don't se Ingram going before Coples. I think if a team like Jacksonville needs a pass rusher, that's their guy. Ingram will be taken by a 3-4 team, IMO.

Also, if this goes down like this, there's going to be the option to move back because Coples is still there, IMO. And I'd jump on it to move into a position to get a second rd selection back and hopefully still be in a position to draft Glenn or Hightower.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Upshaw, Barron, Hightower, Glenn.

 

[Lagerfilled]

In this case it would be Glenn or Upshaw, just not sure what order the Cards brass would have them ranked. I suppose the BPA plus need would push Glenn higher. That's of course assuming the Cards have him graded higher than Upshaw. We'll see in a couple of weeks.

I think Upshaw intrigues because he's just a flat out good football player. Not a flashy 12 sack guy, but it gives us the flexibility to move Acho to the weak side.

 

[1DS]

I'd take Barron under thisnscenario, no question. He is, by far, the best player left, and he fills a semi need. Wilson has started to become injury prone, and likely has 1-2 years left here.

Horton like to run a lot of 3 Saftey formations. I'm sure he could find a way to get Barron lots of playing time and have him make a significant contribution. Maybe allow Wilson to be a hybrid SS/LBer on occasions and have Barron come in to play SS. Can Barron play the FS position also? I think he could.

 

[Duckjake]

I'd take Barron under thisnscenario, no question. He is, by far, the best player left, and he fills a semi need. Wilson has started to become injury prone, and likely has 1-2 years left here.

Horton like to run a lot of 3 Saftey formations. I'm sure he could find a way to get Barron lots of playing time and have him make a significant contribution. Maybe allow Wilson to be a hybrid SS/LBer on occasions and have Barron come in to play SS. Can Barron play the FS position also? I think he could.

Gilmore would be better. We can use another Corner more than another Safety and:

Gilmore has experience in a few spots in the secondary and played some at a hybrid safety/cornerback spot. He should be best in the NFL in a zone scheme

 

[Cardiac]

If no trade down options then at this time my priority list is:

Cox DT/DE
Brockers DT/DE
Gilmore CB
Hill WR

Why the D-line? Well they would be the #1 prospect at their position since none have been taken yet.

The Giants have won 2 SB's in the past 4 years and their D-line was a major reason why.

I don't share the fear of several that drafting D-line means the end of CC in Az. The cost of a rookie at the 13th pick is not a CAP breaker by any means.

DD current contract ends before the rookie DE will so tons of time and options to make it work.

It usually takes 2 to 3 years for a DT/ 3-4 DE to adapt to the NFL game.

Whiz loves his D-line as much as he appears to hate drafting O-lineman One 1st rd and two 2nd rd picks taken on the D-line in 5 years against one 1st rd O-lineman. The mid/late rd picks are fairly even in number of picks invested on the respective lines.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

Courtney Upshaw may be alot higher on the Cards board than many of us think. Upshaw is just a football player. His style is not Von Milleresque but neither is Sam Acho's and look what Acho did in Horton's defense.

Upshaw is my favorite player in the the entire draft. I just see him as a 6-10 sack per year guy and great versus the run. He will never be a DeMarcus Ware of Von Miller type of pass rushing terror, but he will have a very productive NFL career.

I don't think Upshaw is the Cards top choice. My guess is he would be option 4 or 5 after Reiff, DeCastro, Ingram, and probably Floyd. He may come into play if these guys are all gone, however.

 

[Dayman]

I would go with either Gilmore or Upshaw, although I really don't see Tannenhill falling this far. Gilmore would likely be my eventual choice. Although using a first round pick on a corner for the third time in five years is highly unusual, Gilmore is too talented and fits this system too well to pass on him for other available players in this scenario.

 

[az jam]

My choices would be: OG/OT Cordy Glenn, DE Quinton Coples, DT Fletcher Cox & SS Mark Barron.

 

[WildBB]

If no trade down options then at this time my priority list is:

Cox DT/DE
Brockers DT/DE
Gilmore CB
Hill WR

Why the D-line? Well they would be the #1 prospect at their position since none have been taken yet.

The Giants have won 2 SB's in the past 4 years and their D-line was a major reason why.

I don't share the fear of several that drafting D-line means the end of CC in Az. The cost of a rookie at the 13th pick is not a CAP breaker by any means.

DD current contract ends before the rookie DE will so tons of time and options to make it work.

It usually takes 2 to 3 years for a DT/ 3-4 DE to adapt to the NFL game.

Whiz loves his D-line as much as he appears to hate drafting O-lineman One 1st rd and two 2nd rd picks taken on the D-line in 5 years against one 1st rd O-lineman. The mid/late rd picks are fairly even in number of picks invested on the respective lines.

I'm on board.

 

[Chopper0080]

Fletcher Cox
Stephon Gilmore
Cordy Glenn
Donta Hightower
Mark Barron

All good players that could help us, maybe trade back a couple spots because someone like Chicago might really like the idea of adding Coples.

Please stop with the Courtney Upshaw rants. While we might be stupid enough to take him, I question the overall justification of taking a slow OLB whose strength is not rushing the passer at #13. That is like drafting a run stopping DE at #13 which most figure is pretty idiotic. I swear every time I hear a player described as "just a football player" all that comes to mind is he is not athletic and has no business in the first round of a draft. There is a reason most are projecting him as a DE, and possibly falling out of the first round all together.

 

[Jetstream Green]

and it will be Barron

 

[slanidrac16]

Take Hightower. We'd have two ILB'sfor the next 10 years....unless we lose them in free agency....

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

Fletcher Cox
Stephon Gilmore
Cordy Glenn
Donta Hightower
Mark Barron

All good players that could help us, maybe trade back a couple spots because someone like Chicago might really like the idea of adding Coples.

Please stop with the Courtney Upshaw rants. While we might be stupid enough to take him, I question the overall justification of taking a slow OLB whose strength is not rushing the passer at #13. That is like drafting a run stopping DE at #13 which most figure is pretty idiotic. I swear every time I hear a player described as "just a football player" all that comes to mind is he is not athletic and has no business in the first round of a draft. There is a reason most are projecting him as a DE, and possibly falling out of the first round all together.

That slow, unathletic player was only the most dominant player on the greatest defense in the history of college football.

Quote from a NFL Scout in Pro Football Weekly (Audibles): " I love Courtney Upshaw. He may be my favorite player this year. Other scouts are killing him because he is short. I say, OK, let him go to Pittsburgh and turn into a pro bowler."

 

[Dr. Jones]

That slow, unathletic player was only the most dominant player on the greatest defense in the history of college football.

Quote from a NFL Scout in Pro Football Weekly (Audibles): " I love Courtney Upshaw. He may be my favorite player this year. Other scouts are killing him because he is short. I say, OK, let him go to Pittsburgh and turn into a pro bowler."

THIS.

And Barron, Hightower, & Kirkpatrick were on that defense with him.

 

[kerouac9]

I like both those guys for us. Also Gilmore or Kendall Wright. Not too enamored with Cordy Glenn but he wouldn't be too bad either. I just don't see how this draft can go bad for us before we pick. There doesn't appear to be many superstars but an awful lot of very solid football players in this class. Not a bad year to have a pick like #13. Oh yeah, don't forget 13 is the Cards lucky number.

This. The caliber of player chosen between 11 and 25 isn't going to be that varied. The drafniks will crow that whomever picks at 24 is getting "great value", while those picking at 12 "might be making a little bit of a reach."

There's a broad middle ground after the first half-dozen or so picks in the draft. DeCastro might be a better player than Glenn, but Glenn--even at RT--plays a more valuable position. Brockers and Cox aren't going to put up flashy stats, but they'll ensure that the linebackers playing directly behind them can.

I don't think that the Cards would even remotely consider taking Keuchly. I bet they hope that he's taken in the Top 10 picks. Let someone else make the mistake of drafting the next A.J. Hawk.

 

[Bodha]

I imagine the BPA in this scenario is Stephon Gilmore.

Hed be who I take anyways in this scenario (disregarding BPA).

Gilmore + PP + Toler would give us a formidable secondary. All wed need is to sign CC and add a OLB and our D would be lights out.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I imagine the BPA in this scenario is Stephon Gilmore.

Hed be who I take anyways in this scenario (disregarding BPA).

Gilmore + PP + Toler would give us a formidable secondary. All wed need is to sign CC and add a OLB and our D would be lights out.

I agree with this if a trade down was not available. We don't know how Toler will return and it's not like he was a proven commodity anyway. Jefferson is a dime back and Gay will probably assume Marshall's role. Even looking to the future, and Toler pans out, Gilmore and Toler could be a good starting CB combo and PP could eventually slide into a ball hawking FS. However, I really think PP will remain at CB for the long term and be a perrenial pro bowler at the position. Either way, taking Gilmore would give the Cards at ton of options in the secondary and he's likely the BPA in this scenario.

That being said, I fear the Cardinals will be in a panic trade down mode and look to take the first offer to slide down a few spots and take Glenn or Adams.