Would Whisenhunt be a good choice as HC for the Chargers?

[sunsfan88]

Would Whisenhunt be a good choice as HC of the Chargers?

I'm a Chargers fan and we just interviewed Whiz yesterday for our HC position.

We have experience taking a losing retread and hiring him as HC (Norv) so it would not be surprising if we hire Whiz as well.

A lot of Bolts fans are torn about this. There are some who say that Whiz is just a career loser and the 08 season was fluke and everything. There are others who say that Whiz does well when he has a good QB and that the only reason he sucked in Arizona is cause he had horrible QBs to play with. They say that Whiz would be good in SD cause of having Phillip Rivers and guys like Gates, Floyd & Alexander to throw the ball to.

The situation in SD is that we need someone to fix Rivers and bring him back to pro bowl form. Our OL is pathetic (but hopefully that will improve after the draft/free agency) and we need to create a solid running game.

Main problem with Norv was that he had very predictable playcalling. Also, many Chargers fans don't want the HC calls plays cause of Norv and how it was too much for him to handle. He was also hardly a leader for our team and was never seen much as a guy who provided motivation for our players.

We are having huge discussions about it on our board and would love some feedback from AZ fans who probably know more about Whiz than any Chargers fans. Here's the link to our discussion

http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=97063



I know most of you probably don't like Whiz but without looking it at from a biased point of view, do you think Whiz could work well for the Chargers?

 

[Jetstream Green]

I think if you have a QB in place who is a vet like Rivers, yes Whis can be a good coach. Warner was not the Warner that led the Cards to the Super Bowl when he first arrived and Whis must had something to do with it. Problem with Whis is that he cannot hold a franchise for a significant time and keep it stable. He can help a vet maybe find himself but that is a far removed attribute than nurturing a young guy. Whis also does not know when to stop tinkering, and his alterations when they build over a few seasons will make the team less and less viable. Ask yourself this, which to me is just as important, and that is do you think you have play makers at the WR position with Rivers. Guys who can take a catch and turn it into a big play because if not...then your in possible trouble, even if Rivers gets back up to form. I think Fitzgerald and Boldin, and even Breaston, had a lot to do with Warner's resurgence as Warner himself. Just my opinion.

 

[BigRedFan]

I know most of you probably don't like Whiz but without looking it at from a biased point of view, do you think Whiz could work well for the Chargers?[/QUOTE]

Would you want a coach who coached a team with the following (from another of my posts). Keep in mind Whisenhunt is an offensive minded coach and the Cards had a top 10 defense most of the year. Also keep in mind the 2010 game where your team made ours look like a high school team winning 41-10 and outgaining 419 to 134. You guys weren't even outscored this year. In the Cardinals glory year of 2008, they won a few games on the hot hand of Kurt Warner in the playoffs, but only outscored their opponents by 1 point in the regular season, getting thrashed by scores of 47-7 by patriots, 35-14 by Vikes and 48-20 by eagles. You guys before this year have had some pretty good offenses, top 5 in pts, all but last year, top 5 in yds 4 yrs prior, with #1 in yds and #2 in points in 2010. You may look back and wish you had Norv Turner again.

Here is my summary:

The Cardinals for 2012 were last in the NFL in yards per game at 263 by 34 yards. Next lowest is 297 and all but 4 teams are over 300 yards.

2nd last in points per game @ 15.6

Last in yds/pass attempt @ 4.94; 8 RBs had higher averages)
Pass rating: last @ 63.1
Pass TDs: 2nd last @ 11
interceptions: last @ 21
sacks allowed; last @ 58
Pass yards per game: 28th despite being 9th in attempts

Last in rush ypg @ only 75
Rush yards/attempt: last @ 3.4

1st downs: last @ 246 by far
3rd down%: last @ 25.2

giveaways: 29th

58-0 loss too Seahawks: Worst loss in Cardinal history, one of top 5 most lopsided losses in NFL history.
9 game losing streak: Longest losing streak within 1 season in 70 years.
6 game losing streak in 2011 and 7 game losing streak in 2010
inability to win a game with a +5 turnover differential and 13 point lead

These putrid offensive numbers are in spite of having one of the most talented WRs in the game in Fitz. In 8 of the 16 games, Fitz was only 17 receptions for 135 yards.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I think he'd be a good choice for SD. I wanted Rivers to join Whiz in Arizona because I thought it would be a good match. You put Whisenhunt with a competent QB and he's won. Your main worry should be the OL. Your O-line is in shambles and, if Whiz brings Grimm with him, it will likely stay that way. Out of all the coaching vacncies out there, I think SD is the best landing spot. They have a good QB, a good RB, and pieces in place for the defense. Whisenhunt would address the WR situatiion too.

 

[TJ]

He's a tremendous coach; just concerned who his coordinators will be.


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[cardsfanmd]

I think your team is lacking in the personnel dept, but I love Whiz and think he would br great for you guys. If he gets the job, the Chargers will be my new "other" team.

 

[CtCardinals78]

It depends on how much power he has. If there is a strong GM in place that makes the final decision over the coaching staff and roster than the Chargers will do alright.

If Whisenhunt has final say over the roster and coaching staff the Chargers will be picking top 10 every year with Whisenhunt as HC.

 

[Mitch]

The guy to keep an eye on in SD is Seahawks' OC Darrell Bevell.

The Chargers will want Bruce Arians---but the Bears are going to offer a better scenario for Arians.

Your Chargers are going to want to upgrade their running game---and Bevell's scheme is perfect fit.

 

[PACardsFan]

Our problem was not with Whisenhunt. We had a HORRIBLE GM & our Ownership is well below average. No HC has ever or will ever have long-term success with the Bidwill's owning this team. I've been a fan for 50 years, so I know the Bidwills well. We've been hoping the son Michael is different from his Dad, but I'm starting to see the same attributes of Daddy Bidwill. Most on this board are in denial about that, so we'll just wait and see. Being in a weak division, & Manning aging by the day, Whiz can have the Chargers winning that division within 2 years. Good hire for Chargers!

 

[CtCardinals78]

Our problem was not with Whisenhunt. We had a HORRIBLE GM & our Ownership is well below average. No HC has ever or will ever have long-term success with the Bidwill's owning this team. I've been a fan for 50 years, so I know the Bidwills well. We've been hoping the son Michael is different from his Dad, but I'm starting to see the same attributes of Daddy Bidwill. Most on this board are in denial about that, so we'll just wait and see. Being in a weak division, & Manning aging by the day, Whiz can have the Chargers winning that division within 2 years. Good hire for Chargers!

The Chiefs are going to be the team to beat in that division in the next few years and not because of Reid, but because that team is loaded with talent that consistently underperformed. The Chiefs remind me of the 9ers before Harbaugh arrived.

 

[az jam]

Our problem was not with Whisenhunt. We had a HORRIBLE GM & our Ownership is well below average. No HC has ever or will ever have long-term success with the Bidwill's owning this team. I've been a fan for 50 years, so I know the Bidwills well. We've been hoping the son Michael is different from his Dad, but I'm starting to see the same attributes of Daddy Bidwill. Most on this board are in denial about that, so we'll just wait and see. Being in a weak division, & Manning aging by the day, Whiz can have the Chargers winning that division within 2 years. Good hire for Chargers!

Its not denial, its hope.

 

[CtCardinals78]

I had to LOL at this response. This cat obviously hasn't been following the goings on with the Cardinals under Whisenhunt.

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[TRW]

It depends on how much power he has. If there is a strong GM in place that makes the final decision over the coaching staff and roster than the Chargers will do alright.

If Whisenhunt has final say over the roster and coaching staff the Chargers will be picking top 10 every year with Whisenhunt as HC.

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[Cbus cardsfan]

I had to LOL at this response. This cat obviously hasn't been following the goings on with the Cardinals under Whisenhunt.

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I think the guy pretty much nailed it and agree with him on most accounts.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

I had to LOL at this response. This cat obviously hasn't been following the goings on with the Cardinals under Whisenhunt.

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Looks like you found their "Mitch".

 

[CtCardinals78]

I think the guy pretty much nailed it and agree with him on most accounts.

Yeah because if anything he proved his "system" was a success, he was very flexible with fitting his players strengths to fit his system and he never micromanaged, and of course we all know Rod Graves had final say in the roster.

 

[Stout]

Give KW no personnel power, give him strong coordinators allowed to call their shots, an all-pro offensive line, and a good QB, and he'll succeed. You can sub a HOF QB for the all-pro line. Basically, he needs the perfect storm to succeed. If you let him have too much power, he'll wreck your team. He can basically be a good manager, but ONLY given the right circumstances. I'd be nervous hiring him.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I think your team is lacking in the personnel dept, but I love Whiz and think he would br great for you guys. If he gets the job, the Chargers will be my new "other" team.

Agreed on every count

 

[Duckjake]

Again I have to ask how can Whisenhunt have had roster control as has been reported and Graves and the front office be blamed for the personnel decisions?

How can it be the money when the team paid millions for guys like Kolb, Bradley, Colledge and Snyder.

None of this makes sense.

The only thing I know for sure is that once the veterans that came in during Green's tenure were gone the Cards couldn't win.

On the other hand they are the Cardinals and going 5-11 is what they do. They even managed to do it twice in a row first with a HOF QB and then a HOF QB and a high first round draft pick at QB.

By BigRedFan:These putrid offensive numbers are in spite of having one of the most talented WRs in the game in Fitz. In 8 of the 16 games, Fitz was only 17 receptions for 135 yards.

The Cards leading rusher gained 357 yards. The lowest total by their leading rusher since Charley Trippi in 1952. And the Cards have had a lot of crummy QBs over those 60 years.

If the Chargers hired CKW they could most likely expect results like they had in 1999 with Jim Harbaugh at QB and Mike Riley as HC.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Give KW no personnel power, give him strong coordinators allowed to call their shots, an all-pro offensive line, and a good QB, and he'll succeed. You can sub a HOF QB for the all-pro line.

Kripes dude! You could put Rugby Muffin in that situation, and his teams would consistently go 9-7.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Beware if he brings Grimm with him. He will ruin your Oline IMO

 

[Stop Whining]

Coach Whif is nothing more than a talking head and only as good as his coordinators. If a coach who displays zero emotion fires you up then KW is your man. Whif cant judge QB talent to save his ass so tell Rivers to put his name also on the front of his jersey so Whif will know its him. And hope Rivers doesnt get in the famed Whif "doghouse" cause you wont see him again unless he comes back around from Whifs QB carousel. Kurt Warner only became the Cards starting QB after Lienart got injured so no credit goes to Whif for Kurts success in AZ. Coach Haley, Warner, Fitz, Boldin, Breaston were the only reason (offensively) the Cards went to the SB and Whif rode their coat-tails and took the credit. Once Warner & Haley left the team, its been a nosedive ever since.
You'll hear alot about the "system" from Whif. - Quess what?, IT DOESNT WORK!

Enjoy the Whif.

 

[sunsfan88]

The guy to keep an eye on in SD is Seahawks' OC Darrell Bevell.

The Chargers will want Bruce Arians---but the Bears are going to offer a better scenario for Arians.

Your Chargers are going to want to upgrade their running game---and Bevell's scheme is perfect fit.

Highly doubtful. We want to fix Rivers, first and foremost and I don't think Bevell is as capable of that as some of these other coaches.

 

[Mitch]

Highly doubtful. We want to fix Rivers, first and foremost and I don't think Bevell is as capable of that as some of these other coaches.

Did you just see Bevell's game plan versus the Falcons?

He put on a clinic as to how to beat the Falcons in the intermediate (15-20 yards) areas of the field.

He was a FG from taking a rookie QB to the NFC Championship.

They run the ball...and they pass it equally well.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

The only time this offense was all that good was when both Todd Haley and Kurt Warner were here. Even in 2009 after Haley left the offense took at least 1 step back from where it was in 2008. I give credit to Whiz for bringing in Haley as OC to begin with, but he is also at fault for not bringing in a decent OC after Haley left.