Would you do this trade?

[HoodieBets]

we opened up every single game in the playoffs running the ball 1616 and it's what got us the lead IMMEDIATELY in every single game. It's what allowed Warner to do the play-action pass to Fitz. It's what's given Warner time to pick defenses apart, it's what's taken time off the clock.

Im agreeing with you but what we cant open up the game with sproles and hightower?? even when we are running the ball like we have in the playoffs which is 33 carries a game sproles gets 17 hightower gets 11 and JJ gets 3-5. Does that seem undoable? sproles would have about 270 carries in a season which is around the same amount as jamal lewis and thomas jones and if those old guys can do it i think sproles can.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Sorry, but I think that's Kool-Aid talking. Moss wasn't dominant w/o Carter in Minny and I think Welker has pretty much allowed his resurgence to happen. He's good regardless of the #2 but he's only dominant with good #2's. I think the same will be true for Larry and I don't think Breaston will be the answer. Maybe Doucet will be good enough for the trio to continue to function but it is my impression that Q won't be able to sustain his act.

You do know we were 6 & 1 without Q this year, right? You did watch the Panther game where Fitz went off and Q didn't play, right? I think it's safe to say that we have or can find a suitable #2...

Like I said, I think if he get's a little glory in the Super Bowl his attitude will soften. Edge is all smiles now that he's back in the mix and he isn't getting nearly the amount of carries that he always claims to want. I think Q can be satiated and should remain a Cardinal. Perhaps the bridges have been burned but I'd rather stay optimistic at this point.

Edge is all smiles... But please don't tell me you now believe he too will be back next season... You aren't suggesting that, are you??

 

[moklerman]

Edge is all smiles... But please don't tell me you now believe he too will be back next season... You aren't suggesting that, are you??

No, but the team hasn't expressed an interest in keeping him and giving him a raise, nor do I think Edge wants to be back next season or would change his mind about it. I'm not saying Q will either but I do think there's still a slim chance that fences might be mended with him. Perhaps very slim but I still think they're there.

You do know we were 6 & 1 without Q this year, right?

Boldin missed 7 games this year? I don't remember that. Regardless, it's too small of a sample size and without context. I certainly don't think they won because he was out of the lineup. I'm just skeptical about Fitz being able to sustain this type of dominance without Boldin. It might happen and I think the world of Fitz but the league catches on pretty quickly and up until a couple of weeks ago, no one has taken the Cardinals seriously. Once they start paying attention, I would rather have a potential gamebreaker with Q as a compliment to Fitz than to not. Even if he isn't able to play all 16 games.

If a knockout deal is offered then I agree with everyone about taking it but if it's for a 3rd & 4th or something along those lines then I say roll the dice with keeping him because giving him away is less beneficial, even with the potential dissention..."potential" keep in mind.

 

[joeshmo]

Sorry, but I think that's Kool-Aid talking. Moss wasn't dominant w/o Carter in Minny and I think Welker has pretty much allowed his resurgence to happen. He's good regardless of the #2 but he's only dominant with good #2's. I think the same will be true for Larry and I don't think Breaston will be the answer. Maybe Doucet will be good enough for the trio to continue to function but it is my impression that Q won't be able to sustain his act.

Moss wasnt dominate in Oakland becasue he himself said he stopped playing and lets face it he was on the worst run football team in the league, myabe not as bad as the Lions but its up there.

Breaston gets 80 catches over 100 yards as the #3 which gets targeted fewer times then the #2 and he cant be the answer at #2. Come on now, lets not make outlandish statements just to try and make a point. He was a good #2 when Boldin was out this season. But I guess that isnt a big enough sample size for you then. Why do we need a trio? We havent been using a trio in the playoffs, we have been runing the ball 52% of the time, you dont think they will continue into next season. It is no longer a priority to have a trio, just a guy who can do the job as the #3.

 

[joeshmo]

even when we are running the ball like we have in the playoffs which is 33 carries a game sproles gets 17 hightower gets 11 and JJ gets 3-5. Does that seem undoable? sproles would have about 270 carries in a season which is around the same amount as jamal lewis and thomas jones and if those old guys can do it i think sproles can.

And be a KR, PR, reciever out of the backfield, and pass block?

 

[joeshmo]

Boldin missed 7 games this year? I don't remember that. Regardless, it's too small of a sample size and without context. I certainly don't think they won because he was out of the lineup.

Who said they won because he was out the lineup. The point is they won even though he wasnt in the lineup. Big difference.

That record is over two years. And because most of those are some of the biggest wins the Cards have had the last two years it is plenty big enough for the sample size.

 

[joeshmo]

I'm just skeptical about Fitz being able to sustain this type of dominance without Boldin. It might happen and I think the world of Fitz but the league catches on pretty quickly

4 games of Dominance without Boldin and they didnt catch on yet. 3 of those being playoff teams with good coaching staffs. 2 SI covers and every team we have been faced being bombarded with questions about how to stop Fitz, and multiple artciels about it before each playoff game and the league hasnt caught on yet. So what is pretty quickly for you, because if 3 games before the Philly game isnt slow enough for teams to catch on then they never will. A philly team who didnt allow a single passing TD in 6 straight games, a Philly team with one of the best pass D's in the league, a Philly team that has a top 2 DC in the league. If they couldnt catch on quickly enough after watching 3 straight games of dominace from Fitz then what makes you think the others will. Sure he might be stopped a game or two but every great does as well.

 

[AZHUT]

Q. is still a player, if we must trade Q. I find the dumbest team with the most talent. "Hello is this Jerry Jones" We'll give you Q for Patrick Clayton(WR) and the picks you got for Roy Williams, sounds go JJ?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

1. Fitzgerald has been playing at a dominant level all year, and is still VERY young. Fitzgerald is beating double and triple teams with ease. That just doesn't happen very often, if at all. Last point is Fitzgerald has been nothing but consistant since getting in the league. Just look at the numbers.....jeez, really look at them, they are sick! Find another rookie that came out of college and hit every single escalator clause in his contract. I would imagine that list is very very small.

2. Based on what has been seen on the field. Breaston can take on the #2 role

3. Sproles is not an every down back. He would be a good fit here since Whiz comes from a coaching tree where the two back system is most effective (See: Bettis/Parker & Washington/Riggins). We would need a pure power back (not Hightower) to compliment him though.

4. The team has played well without Anquan, there is no denying it. But the team doesn't make the playoffs without him this year. Not to say to hold onto him or not, but that is what it is.

5. I still think we could rip Heath Miller away from the Steelers and get some draft picks as well. Maybe even get a two for one player trade and find another play Whiz misses from Pittsburg. Yeah, yeah, I know the idea has holes in it, but Miller is the perfect all around TE. His blocking is top notch and he can catch the ball.

 

[moklerman]

Moss wasnt dominate in Oakland becasue he himself said he stopped playing and lets face it he was on the worst run football team in the league, myabe not as bad as the Lions but its up there.

I wasn't counting the Raiders. There were at least three years in Minnesota that I was thinking about. He was still really good but not dominant. Teams figured out how to contain him.

Breaston gets 80 catches over 100 yards as the #3 which gets targeted fewer times then the #2 and he cant be the answer at #2. Come on now, lets not make outlandish statements just to try and make a point.

It isn't outlandish. There is a big difference between being the #3 and facing a nickel package and a likely mismatch and being the #2. Especially if Fitz gets dinged. Now we're talking about Breaston as the #1.

I have faith in the staff to keep the right players but I think regardless of the ratio on offense, the WR corps should be kept intact if at all possible. They are more dangerous with Q than without.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Especially if Fitz gets dinged. Now we're talking about Breaston as the #1.

That is a VERY good point. He have been spoiled with the fact that usually one or the other is always healthy.

 

[moklerman]

Whis usually moves these guys around a lot to create the mismatches but I actually wouldn't have a problem moving Q to the slot or the Z, Breaston to the outside #2 and reducing Q's plays and increasing Breaston's. I'm sure that would piss Q off even more than he is now but I think it might keep him healthier to play that psuedo TE (H-Back?) spot. I think he can stay healthy administiring hits/blocks than all the running that the #2 entails.

 

[Treefiddy]

we should trade him for a punter, was anyone else sick of seeing 33 yard punts and the eagles starting on the 40ish yard line EVERY TIME. wow. that guy is terrible.

I know you're probably joking, but Graham was playing injured. We almost saw Rackers punting last week.

 

[joeshmo]

That is a VERY good point. He have been spoiled with the fact that usually one or the other is always healthy.

But thats the same for every other team in the NFL, injuries. Thats why you have 10 other players on the field. Playoff teams have other players step up when other players go down or get injured. The #2 Steps up, the #3 Steps up, your TE steps up, your RB's step up, and so on. Panthers still won games when Smith was suspended, becasue they leaned on other players, because other players stepped up.

 

[joeshmo]

There were at least three years in Minnesota that I was thinking about. He was still really good but not dominant. Teams figured out how to contain him.

You are talking about a kid who doesnt try every down and who doesnt work on his craft. The league didnt catch up to Moss, Moss declined to the NFL. Was it any woner taht when he went to NE where he was asked to work in every play and to put in a lot of time in the offseason he went back to dominant status?

It isn't outlandish. There is a big difference between being the #3 and facing a nickel package and a likely mismatch and being the #2. Especially if Fitz gets dinged. Now we're talking about Breaston as the #1.

Breaston has already excelled as the #2 multiple times this season. Injuries are always going to happen. Three deep at WR is a luxury.

They are more dangerous with Q than without.

The Games Q has been out sure doesnt prove that. Our scoring average is the same with or without him. Is he a Dangerous WR without a doubt but when you have so many other weapons it becomes redundant and you get to a point of little returns. Its like added another cup of sugar to cookies that already have 5 cups in it, it is going to be one damn sweet cookie either way.

 

[joshstmarie]

I know you're probably joking, but Graham was playing injured. We almost saw Rackers punting last week.

ok that makes sense, I wasnt aware of that. hope he will be good to go for the SB, obviously the field positioning is going to be huge, especially if we can make big ben work the full field for his drives.

 

[Milgod]

I know you're probably joking, but Graham was playing injured. We almost saw Rackers punting last week.

Plus, IMO, Graham has been pretty good since he joined.

As for Q. I think if we can get good value for him then lets do it. Draft picks would be nice (to pick a RB) or something to bolster the D. I think Breaston would make a v.good #2.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I know you're probably joking, but Graham was playing injured. We almost saw Rackers punting last week.

I saw Rackers casually punt the ball before walking into the lockerroom last game. The punt went 60+ yards with a lot of hangtime.

 

[joshstmarie]

I saw Rackers casually punt the ball before walking into the lockerroom last game. The punt went 60+ yards with a lot of hangtime.

hmm, i wonder if he can hold his own field goal attempts too

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Boldin will definitely garner a number 1 pick plus. Detroit got that with no real market for Williams,just Jones' love for a Texas boy. There's about 10 teams looking for a top tier WR. That will drive up his value right there. You can't tell me out of Philly, Miami, Chicago, Minn, Jax, TB, Jets, Tenn, Was, Oak, SD, Det,Giants ,even SF and Sea(okay, that's 15) that one of them wouldn't give up a #1 ,and then some, for Boldin. It's not like we're talking Bryant Johnson here.

 

[moklerman]

You can't tell me out of
Philly - they might make an offer but the receivers aren't the problem there.
Miami - would Parcells really give up a #1 pick on a WR?
Chicago - they let Berrian walk because of his price tag so I don't see them ponying up a #1 as well as what Boldin will want in $$$
Minn - Speaking of Berrian, I don't think the Vikings are going to shell out that money/pick in consecutive years. And again, WR isn't their problem.
Jax - I don't know the Jaguars that well but they did spend some money on WR's last offseason already. Don't know that they'd risk it for another injury prone WR.
TB - Who knows what they'll do?
Jets - Much like the Vikings, they have so much tied up in FA's right now that it's hard to imagine adding to it. Also, I don't think Ryan is the type of coach to give up a #1 for a WR.
Tenn - They could use Boldin but have no history of spending to get a WR.
Was - He would work there and if Zorn is running a WCO he might like a TO clone to go with Randel El and Moss and Cooley.
Oak - If I could predict what Al Davis was going to do I'd be a genius...or insane.
SD - Not likely. Chambers, Jackson and Gates aren't in need of an upgrade and SD's focus will be on defense if they make any acquisitions.
Det - they could use him but what are the odds that Detroit gives up a #1 for yet another WR?
Giants - Plaxico's already been invited and welcomed back. Coughlin doesn't strike me as a #1 for a WR guy either.
SF - This might actually be a dark horse destination. NFC West familiarity and all and a definite need at the position. Who's their new OC? My guess is a #1 would still be too steep for a defensive guy and as much as it makes sense on paper, it is probably unlikely that the Cardinals, if they decided to let Boldin go, would trade within the NFC West.
Sea - See above.
(okay, that's 15) that one of them wouldn't give up a #1 ,and then some, for Boldin. It's not like we're talking Bryant Johnson here.

Overall, I think it very unlikely that any of these teams part with their #1. #2 maybe but I still don't agree with the idea of just getting whatever they can get and parting ways. I think he's worth more than a #2 to the Cardinals.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Overall, I think it very unlikely that any of these teams part with their #1. #2 maybe but I still don't agree with the idea of just getting whatever they can get and parting ways. I think he's worth more than a #2 to the Cardinals.

I wonder what would cost more for those teams,signing a #1 draft pick WR or signing Boldin to a new contract? The thing with Boldin is he's proven. A draft pick could turn out to be Mike Williams, David Terrel, or Charles Rogers.

I wouldn't take whatever for Boldin either. The price has to start with a #1 and go from there. Not that Jax would go for it, but i'd like a trade of their #1(8th overall) and Reggie Nelson.

 

[moklerman]

I wonder what would cost more for those teams,signing a #1 draft pick WR or signing Boldin to a new contract? The thing with Boldin is he's proven. A draft pick could turn out to be Mike Williams, David Terrel, or Charles Rogers.

I agree and think that most teams are pretty crazy to invest in a #1 WR most of time. Unfortunately, Boldin is also proven as injury prone. He's missed 8 games the last two seasons and was pretty limited in a good chunk of the one's he actually played. He's only played a full 16 games twice in six years. I will be surprised if any team makes any kind of a substantial offer for him.

I just think it's bad timing on top of everything else. With 3+ proven WR's on the FA market and Crabtree in the draft I think it's going to be tough to get very much for Boldin. If that's the case, I'd rather he stayed and Graves and Whis just sing cum ba ya until he changes his mind.

 

[Shogun]

Whats the diff between sproles and the beloved AP you wanted so bad? given a full season i see sproles putting up the same numbers, he is a homerun hitter everytime he touches the ball and never seems to loose yards for a small guy he is built like a bull.

LMAO.