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Agree 100% the likeness being used in perpetuity is ridiculous but AI will certainly be used in writers rooms eventually and may cut those rooms in less than half.
AI has to train on writers works. That's the issue. You can't use the writer's voices. AI simply can't train itself to write. To me it's no different than using an actors likeness. If you use a writers voice to produce a script? That writer should be compensated. There is already a lawsuit on this.
 

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Customer service might be the only safe place...lol
When I was working customer service, and I have a distinctive voice, first thing people would ask, is this a real human? LOL! People hate these computer generated/AI robot help phone systems.
 

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AI has to train on writers works. That's the issue. You can't use the writer's voices. AI simply can't train itself to write. To me it's no different than using an actors likeness. If you use a writers voice to produce a script? That writer should be compensated. There is already a lawsuit on this.
AI will get to the point where it takes a collection of multiple people and uses a hybrid style. How do you monetize that properly? It won’t shock me if one day each of the big players have a quantum computer that doesn’t need any input it just pulls from everything. AI is a scary thing with unlimited possibilities. This is literally the black mirror episode from this past season.
 

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AI will get to the point where it takes a collection of multiple people and uses a hybrid style. How do you monetize that properly? It won’t shock me if one day each of the big players have a quantum computer that doesn’t need any input it just pulls from everything. AI is a scary thing with unlimited possibilities. This is literally the black mirror episode from this past season.
Also, Shehulk had a satirized ending where the Studio was run by an AI machine. Interesting twist on replacing studio heads with AI!
 

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AI will get to the point where it takes a collection of multiple people and uses a hybrid style. How do you monetize that properly? It won’t shock me if one day each of the big players have a quantum computer that doesn’t need any input it just pulls from everything. AI is a scary thing with unlimited possibilities. This is literally the black mirror episode from this past season.
The same argument was made when streaming came along. Now artists are getting parts of "plays". The key here is figuring out a way the technology can co-exists while making sure that artists get their due. AI is scary in many industries. Not just this one. AI is going to replace a bunch of jobs. However, I also hope that means a need for more types of jobs in the AI industry. Unfortunatly, people are going to have to adjust just like they did in every major change (farming, industrial etc.). It's a scary prospect.
 

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The same argument was made when streaming came along. Now artists are getting parts of "plays". The key here is figuring out a way the technology can co-exists while making sure that artists get their due. AI is scary in many industries. Not just this one. AI is going to replace a bunch of jobs. However, I also hope that means a need for more types of jobs in the AI industry. Unfortunatly, people are going to have to adjust just like they did in every major change (farming, industrial etc.). It's a scary prospect.
To your point CNBC had someone on last week speaking of the strike and AI. The basic point was technology has disrupted jobs since the revolution. There has never been a case where a disruption of jobs had led to less jobs just people moving to different careers. The same will be true here jobs will not be lost just those specific positions will be.
 

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To your point CNBC had someone on last week speaking of the strike and AI. The basic point was technology has disrupted jobs since the revolution. There has never been a case where a disruption of jobs had led to less jobs just people moving to different careers. The same will be true here jobs will not be lost just those specific positions will be.
It's just the problem of not being able to envision what those new jobs will be yet. That makes it scary. If we could "see" the new jobs coming and what they will be, it would be less scary.
 

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One thing with regard to AI that no one seems to be talking about is that it is (and will continue to be) vulnerable to hacking, malware, and unforseen software bugs... just like every other bit of technology out there at the moment. And the incidents and/or threats of those continues to grow as software (and the corresponding vulnerabilities of it) become ever more complex.

So while AI may continue to gain a foothold in technology and commerce, there is also almost guaranteed to be a whole Pandora's Box of things that will render it far less effective at "reshaping society as we know it" than its advocates are projecting.
 

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One thing with regard to AI that no one seems to be talking about is that it is (and will continue to be) vulnerable to hacking, malware, and unforseen software bugs... just like every other bit of technology out there at the moment. And the incidents and/or threats of those continues to grow as software (and the corresponding vulnerabilities of it) become ever more complex.

So while AI may continue to gain a foothold in technology and commerce, there is also almost guaranteed to be a whole Pandora's Box of things that will render it far less effective at "reshaping society as we know it" than its advocates are projecting.
So these malware, viruses, etc., will that make AI more of a good tool, or a bad tool for humanity? I always think the worst in these situations.
 

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So these malware, viruses, etc., will that make AI more of a good tool, or a bad tool for humanity? I always think the worst in these situations.
I would venture that since most of the AI we will be seeing soonest will be utilized by large corporate interests to cut labor expenses, in turn the wealthy corporations themselves will be the targets of (very likely) basic criminals, anti-corporate, and anti big-tech hackers. I am certain none of them will be acting to assist those promoting AI.
 

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The only movies that will get approval are the ones the guild determine to be “truly independent.” That means they can’t be affiliated with any of the struck studios, or have a distribution deal, or financing from a major or mini-major.
Makes sense.
 

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What makes it more infuriating, is a lot of what the Actors and Writers are asking for would be a write off for the studios. It would reduce net profits and would mean less taxes to the government. I read a long time ago in Forbes about how studio accounting is fuzzy so they can say a movie isn't making money, when it is, so they don't have to pay royalties to actors, writers, etc.

I worked for a contractor in the military, and they gave us an ESOP to redirect our retirement to claw that money back into the company instead. They gave us an annual statement, and actually had a shareholders meeting where I worked. Some gentleman noted the gross profits the company made that year, and the net less the huge tax bill they were paying. He asked if the company gave us bonuses would that reduce the tax bill to the government? The accountant on stage said it would. So the gentleman reiterated about a memo we got about not being able to give us a bonus that year, but could the company have given us bonuses and not paid as much taxes? Then one of the senior execs took the microphone and said that is true, but they didn't want to be in the position of the workers expecting a bonus every year. Talk about a meeting going sideways! That was essentially the end of the meeting at that point.
 

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The only movies that will get approval are the ones the guild determine to be “truly independent.” That means they can’t be affiliated with any of the struck studios, or have a distribution deal, or financing from a major or mini-major.
I was curious on this too and did a little reading last night. In addition to the truly independent part I read that they also have to agree to retroactively apply what ever the out come of the strike is to the production time during the strike.
 

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