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Stating the obvious more than anything, I suppose, but we've watched the Mavs go from free-wheeling scorers with an identity to semi-self-hating semi-defensive mindsets.

Do the Mavs have an identity? I'm not sure. They have some players, like Dirk and Josh Howard, that look like they'd be more comfortable on the Suns. They have some players, like Jason Terry and Jerry Stackhouse, that look liked they'd be more comfortable in the one-on-one battles of the Eastern Conference. And they have some players, like Dampier, that look like they'd rather be fishing this time of year.

Yes, GS is a nightmare matchup for Dallas and Nellie knows the Mavs all too well. But it's still the Mavs fault for obsessing over how they match up with the Spurs. This team is built to beat the Spurs, but ironically they have difficult with smaller, quicker teams now. They play better defense, but it isn't iron clad. The roster still looks like it was put together by pulling names out of a hat. It's remarkably easy to knock the Mavs out of offensive continuity because they don't really have any. They don't work very hard to get each other easy looks ... there's no real offensive system outside of what they do to feature Dirk.

Old saying: You're only as good as your weakest link, and in the Mavs case it's center. All the things people said here about Dampier being a bad fit for the Suns and why D'Antoni wouldn't play him are biting the Mavs in the ass. Dallas has no real scoring output at the 5, which means teams don't waste their team guarding him. It also means little foul trouble for the opposing 5.

I think in the NBA, your identity can never stray too far from your best player. For the Mavs, its Dirk, and it's becoming clear to me they're asking him to be something he's not, which is an all-around power forward who carries his team through the playoffs. That's not what he is. He's not a shot blocker. He's not a guy who's going to grab 20 rebounds. He scores and he facilitates offense. Everything else he does is a sacrifice and a task, and he should be commended when he actually succeeds. If the Mavs really want to be like the Spurs or Pistons, they probably should've gone one step further and traded Dirk.

Anyway, it just seems to me if Nellie has exposed anything, it's the Mavs lack of identity. Avery must feel like he has too many holes to plug and not enough fingers. He doesn't have many things he can count on against the Warriors based on his own personal style of Xs and Os. And if the Warriors actually finish the Mavs off, the Mavs won't even have a good clue how to fix their roster problems ... which direction do you go?
 

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Everytime I think of Dallas, I am reminded that Cuban thought that Nash wasn't worth his current contract, only to turn around and offer Dampier the same one.

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I think a lot of the problem here is Avery Johnson. With Miami and now Golden State, the Mavs have shown they aren't a very versatile team, so if they can't dictate matchups, they're in trouble. With their personnel, you'd think they would be able to play more than one style, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Perhaps the Mavs organization's single-minded focus on San Antonio is at fault here.
 

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to be fair, dampier had an awesome minute in the last game. in that 1:21, he basically paid for himself.

But can you imagine how good this team would be if they had resigned Nash instead!!
 

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I think a lot of the problem here is Avery Johnson. With Miami and now Golden State, the Mavs have shown they aren't a very versatile team, so if they can't dictate matchups, they're in trouble. With their personnel, you'd think they would be able to play more than one style, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Perhaps the Mavs organization's single-minded focus on San Antonio is at fault here.

Avery is the leader of this team, they do not have a leader on the floor. Jason Terry is not a point guard, and Devon Harris has not learned how to be a good one yet.

They also signed two defensive players in the off season, and now their offense is hurting when they go to the bench. If Stackhouse has an off game they are in trouble.
 

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Um, maybe I misunderstood you.

I thought you wondered how good the Suns would have been, if Dallas resigned Nash instead of Phoenix signing him.

If so, we would be a 1st round and out team.

Was that what you meant?
 

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That's why Amare is untouchable. Do you know how many NEXT big centers have hit the NBA and never did anything? How many sure fire locks from college have done nothing? For every Amare in the league you get 20 Dampiers.

Thank god Suns management is not as dumb as certain reporters.
 

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That's why Amare is untouchable. Do you know how many NEXT big centers have hit the NBA and never did anything? How many sure fire locks from college have done nothing? For every Amare in the league you get 20 Dampiers.

Thank god Suns management is not as dumb as certain reporters.


He is special, as he is about the only Center in the league that is not a "back to the basket" player.
 

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Interesting thread. I see the points of sunsfn and F-dog, but how do you go through the regular season with their 60+ win season and have troubles that deep--weak-defense identityless hodgepodge? They beat or threatened the Suns--how can they be so shabby against GS?
 

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The Mavs did not dominate the Suns this season.

Game 1 - Nov 9 - Suns lose 112-119 This was the second of back to back. The Mavs won because they shot exceptionally well (54.3%) and outrebounded the Suns by 12 boards. This was the Suns fifth loss in their first six games.

Game 2 - Dec 28 - Suns lose 99-101 on a buzzer beater by Dirk. The Suns shot well enough at 51.4% but gave up 21 turnovers.

Game 3 - Mar 14 - Suns win 129-127 despite the Mavs having a 17 rebound advantage

Game 4 - Apr 1 - Suns win 126-104 by shooting 64.8%

In four games, the Suns averaged 116.5 ppg, shot an average of 56.5% and 54.4% for three.
 

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thanks azirish for that stats..

somehow, your post made me feel good..
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down with the mavs!
 
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Interesting thread. I see the points of sunsfn and F-dog, but how do you go through the regular season with their 60+ win season and have troubles that deep--weak-defense identityless hodgepodge? They beat or threatened the Suns--how can they be so shabby against GS?

Because the playoffs pit you against one team for a 7-game series, you can spend much more time exploiting a team's style or character. Dallas does a lot of things very well, but they don't do one or two things better than anyone else. It's much, much harder to make game-to-game schematic changes when you don't already have a distinct identity.

You could see that problem in the first game, when Avery started adjusting to Don Nelson's small ball by sitting their centers in the starting lineup. It's just inconceivable than the coach of a No. 1 seed would make a pre-series adjustment for a No. 8 seed, but that's the very problem with the Mavs ... they don't have one thing ... tempo or otherwise ... they can trust to impose on the other team to their advantage. The Mavs simply rely on their depth the match up, but that doesn't always produce the most balanced results between offense and defense.

And when it starts to fall apart in the first game, you really see the panic in the Mavs. Where do they go from here? They don't know, because they don't have that one thing they know they can do and need to do to win.
 

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All the Mavs really have left is to go ultra big and pound the ball inside. Throw out a lineup of Jason Terry, Josh Howard, Dirk, Diop & Dampier. Slow the game down, make good passes and get GS into foul trouble. That should force GS to play their slower big guys like Foyle & possibly even O'Bryant. Once those guys are in the game then the advantage goes back to Dallas.
 

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Um, maybe I misunderstood you.

I thought you wondered how good the Suns would have been, if Dallas resigned Nash instead of Phoenix signing him.

If so, we would be a 1st round and out team.

Was that what you meant?

No, I meant how good would Dallas be with Nash instead of them signing Dampier,.......... in answering jenna1234. Then she said.........she was being sarcastic, so now I am not sure what I meant, to whatever she meant....? :)

But, I do think the Mavs would have won it all last year if they had resigned Nash when we did.
 

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The Mavs use primarily isolation plays. Even when they pick and roll, their guys don't roll to the basket or pop out for a quick shot. One of their main weapons is using Terry/Harris and Dirk on a pick, tossing the ball to the German when the switch ocurrs and everybody gets the hell out of the way. Although Dirk is an amazing player, he's not the guy you give the ball to and tell him to score and carry the team at times, like Kobe, Carmelo or a number of other perimeter players can. I think Howard could be that guy in the future, but he's not there yet.
 

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