Yea. Where are all the Whiz backers now!!??

[Cheesebeef]

Campos you havent taken any flak at all. Im beed edited, banned and cursed at with no action taken on the curses for saying weeks ago Whiz was bad.

This here is one of them bright spots cheese was talking bout. OT win against the falcons. Man if thats a bright spot then he would die of light exposure if he was a pats, colts, seahawks, <insert any other team> fan.

wow, I'm on your mind so much that you call me out in a thread I haven't even participated in? Obsess much? And as usual, your projections are way off base. This is a win, but did nothing but make me question our coaching staff's proficiencies.

 

[ReddBird]

Lousy second half, agreed. But how come the Whiz doesn't get any credit for the first half?

He's a first year coach. He's shown some innovation and the ability to motivate. Yeah, we should have been in the play-offs. Didn't happen but he put us in position to be there. He didn't blow a kick, he didn't fumble a snap. If the players had come through, we'd be buying play-off tickets.

This game wasn't a charmer...but it WAS a win. Give him some credit.

 

[moklerman]

Lousy second half, agreed. But how come the Whiz doesn't get any credit for the first half?

I gave him credit! It would have been very easy for the Card's to come out flat in a meaningless game as a 10 point favorite. It wasn't the prettiest win but beating the teams you're supposed to beat is one aspect of being a good team. They have to deliver in that area when given the opportunity.

 

[Darth Llama]

Amazing the thought process of some people.

Last year, we won 5 games. We lost 8 in a row at one point, that's half the season in 1 long losing streak. We lost to 2 of the worst teams (Green Bay, Oakland) and lost badly. Our head coach was an idiot, and our whole team gave up.

This year, we bring in a rookie head coach. He takes over a team he didn't build, full of players he might not even want. He has some great talent with names like Adrian Wilson, Anquan Boldin, Matt Leinart, Larry Fitzgerald, and Kurt Warner. Over the course of the season, all of them get hurt. Kurt, Boldin and Fitz are able to come back but obviously are playing hurt. He has a field goal kicker that can't make a 30 yard kick to win a game, and still he has us on course to finish .500, and some people would have him run out of town on a rail.

It's absolutely amazing. I'm not going to sit here and say I agree with everything Whiz has done, because I don't. I don't think I have ever watched a single game by any team where I have agreed with every play call, but you know what? That probably explains why I'm an IT Systems Analyst and not a Head Coach in the NFL. With the hand Whiz has been delt this year, I think he's done a great job when you look at the WHOLE picture. Yes, you can look at certain plays and use those as an example of how bad he is, but you can also look at some gutsy plays we have made and some chances we have taken in games that did pay off. In the end, we're going to finish just barely out of the playoff race with injuries most of our best players. You mean to tell me that you think Parcells could have made the playoffs with guys like Joey Tafoya, Oliver Celisten and Ralph Brown as starters? You're dreaming!

Is Whiz perfect? No. Is he the best coach in the NFL? I don't think so, no. Is a .500 season a hell of an accomplishment when you look at everything that's happened to this team? In my opinion, it is. Accepting a .500 season is not accepting mediocrity, not at all. You need to remember, that setting unattainable goals is just as bad if not worse then setting your goals too low. You expect improvement year after year, and despite the adversity this year, Whiz achieved that. A .500 mark is a reasonable improvement for a first year coach in Whiz position. Will .500 be acceptable next year? No it won't. Next year, I expect playoffs at least, and I believe that will happen.

Giving up on Whiz after 15 games is a mistake in my opinion.

 

[Zeno]

We were also 8-8 the year they moved here I believe

Nope, started 7-4 lost last 5 games 7-9

 

[Sandan]

Your reaction is puzzeling. You still dont get that we had the easiest schedule this year. That means if we had a normal schedule we are 6-10 at best. What improvement is that?

As I am often reminded by the darkside.

All that matters is wins and losses. This year we will win more than we did last year, therefore we are a better team. PERIOD.

Some folks want to look for a reason to make with the negative vibes. Don't tell me about strength of schedule, we are winning more games and that is all that matters.

So your reaction is puzzling All that matters is wins and losses

 

[CaptTurbo]

It was .500 in 06', 0.449 in 05' and 0.461 in 04'.

http://fftoday.com/sos/sos.htm

We have consistently had soft schedules and still found ways to lose. So to be looking at .500 is an improvement. I'm not celebrating or satisfied, but an improvement has been made.

where did 500 in 06 stand compared to the rest of the league? I beleieve that would put them in the middle of the pack right?

 

[Cheesebeef]

As I am often reminded but the darkside.

All that matters is wins and losses. This year we will win more than we did last year, therefore we are a better team. PERIOD.

Some folks want to look for a reason to make with the negative vibes. Don't tell me about strength of schedule, we are winning more games and that is all that matters.

So your reaction is puzzling All that matters is wins and losses

Nidan, swd exists where there is literally no light anywhere. He's hardly a darksider/realist so you're barking up the wrong tree there. To put things in perspective, he's called ME a kool aider/fairy dust spreader. That's not to say I'm doing cartwheels about this game or had my fears about Wiz eiliminated. Actually, they grew a little bit today. But I'll take the win, and an incremental sign of progress, even though I grow more dubious by the game.

 

[Sandan]

Did we improve our record or not ?

 

[sly fly]

As I am often reminded but the darkside.

All that matters is wins and losses. This year we will win more than we did last year, therefore we are a better team. PERIOD.

Some folks want to look for a reason to make with the negative vibes. Don't tell me about strength of schedule, we are winning more games and that is all that matters.

So your reaction is puzzling All that matters is wins and losses

This year's team is without a doubt better. However, it doesn't hide the fact that the talents of Boldin and Fitzgerald are being wasted. Hence, another year of asking coulda, woulda, shoulda.

2 players of this caliber should be enough to dominate every time they step onto the field. Find a way to make this happen, Whisenhunt.

The window of opportunity is down to 1 year (in my mind). Or, you blow it all up again.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Did we improve our record or not ?

why are you asking me? I'm not the one bashing the coach and saying there's no progress anywhere. I've said many times there's been progress all season, and as usual, with progress, the record improves. Don't try to start a fight where none exists.

 

[Cheesebeef]

This year's team is without a doubt better. However, it doesn't hide the fact that the talents of Boldin and Fitzgerald are being wasted. Hence, another year of asking coulda, woulda, shoulda.

2 players of this caliber should be enough to dominate every time they step onto the field. Find a way to make this happen, Whisenhunt.

The window of opportunity is down to 1 year (in my mind). Or, you blow it all up again.

agreed. And that means you blow out EVERYONE from coach to GM. There's no excuse why this team shouldn't be in the playoffs next year.

 

[CaptTurbo]

OK so when we dont make it and we are 8-8 or worse you will admit I was right and you were wrong?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

What people forget, regardless of the strength of schedule, is any NFL can beat any other NFL team any week. Wins,any of them, are hard to come by. The great Bill Belichick was fired in Cleveland. I'll bet most coaches have a losing record. I think people think this is college where teams like OSU or Florida are almost guaranteed 9-10 wins before the season even starts. I guess Eric Mangini went from Mangenius to Rich Kotite over the summer. Like him, or not, 8-8 will be a good 1st year for Whiz to build on, epecially when you consider there has only been 1 better year since they moved to Arizona.

 

[moklerman]

SWD, I think you're making a bold prediction that Whis will show absolutely no improvement next year or in the future. If nothing else, all of the players were in a new system this year and that generally takes a year to acclimate to. I think there will be many improvements next year just with familiarity.

 

[Sandan]

why are you asking me? I'm not the one bashing the coach and saying there's no progress anywhere. I've said many times there's been progress all season, and as usual, with progress, the record improves. Don't try to start a fight where none exists.

No Cheese I wasn't talking to you

 

[sly fly]

agreed. And that means you blow out EVERYONE from coach to GM. There's no excuse why this team shouldn't be in the playoffs next year.

Yep. It still baffles me.

 

[Zeno]

What people forget, regardless of the strength of schedule, is any NFL can beat any other NFL team any week. Wins,any of them, are hard to come by. The great Bill Belichick was fired in Cleveland. I'll bet most coaches have a losing record. I think people think this is college where teams like OSU or Florida are almost guaranteed 9-10 wins before the season even starts. I guess Eric Mangini went from Mangenius to Rich Kotite over the summer. Like him, or not, 8-8 will be a good 1st year for Whiz to build on, epecially when you consider there has only been 1 better year since they moved to Arizona.

Agree 100%, .500 its something to build on. Sure, there is plenty to fix from players to coaching but .500 is better than all but 1 season in AZ.

Whisenhunt is learning on the job, his adjustments from year 1 to 2 will be very telling on how good a coach he is. I'm not sold with him by any means but he deserves some time considering what he was handed (a 5-11 team), injuries and hampered by an inept front office.

 

[Cheesebeef]

OK so when we dont make it and we are 8-8 or worse you will admit I was right and you were wrong?

if we don't make the playoffs next year, everyone should be blown out. I don't know how much clearer I could make that. That would make you right... but the sad thing to me is, you seem to WANT to be right. You seem to WANT us to be bad just so you can "right"... although, I guess people probably thought the same thing about me when I was sure the team was awful back in 2003 (although to be fair, they WERE awful in every sense of the word that year, going 4 and 12, getting beat by an average margin of 14 ppg, as opposed to this year playing every game down to the wire, bad schedule or not). But I have no problem saying I'm wrong about something. Only the truly vain care about their opinions being correct all the time.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Amazing the thought process of some people.

Last year, we won 5 games. We lost 8 in a row at one point, that's half the season in 1 long losing streak. We lost to 2 of the worst teams (Green Bay, Oakland) and lost badly. Our head coach was an idiot, and our whole team gave up.

This year, we bring in a rookie head coach. He takes over a team he didn't build, full of players he might not even want. He has some great talent with names like Adrian Wilson, Anquan Boldin, Matt Leinart, Larry Fitzgerald, and Kurt Warner. Over the course of the season, all of them get hurt. Kurt, Boldin and Fitz are able to come back but obviously are playing hurt. He has a field goal kicker that can't make a 30 yard kick to win a game, and still he has us on course to finish .500, and some people would have him run out of town on a rail.

It's absolutely amazing. I'm not going to sit here and say I agree with everything Whiz has done, because I don't. I don't think I have ever watched a single game by any team where I have agreed with every play call, but you know what? That probably explains why I'm an IT Systems Analyst and not a Head Coach in the NFL. With the hand Whiz has been delt this year, I think he's done a great job when you look at the WHOLE picture. Yes, you can look at certain plays and use those as an example of how bad he is, but you can also look at some gutsy plays we have made and some chances we have taken in games that did pay off. In the end, we're going to finish just barely out of the playoff race with injuries most of our best players. You mean to tell me that you think Parcells could have made the playoffs with guys like Joey Tafoya, Oliver Celisten and Ralph Brown as starters? You're dreaming!

Is Whiz perfect? No. Is he the best coach in the NFL? I don't think so, no. Is a .500 season a hell of an accomplishment when you look at everything that's happened to this team? In my opinion, it is. Accepting a .500 season is not accepting mediocrity, not at all. You need to remember, that setting unattainable goals is just as bad if not worse then setting your goals too low. You expect improvement year after year, and despite the adversity this year, Whiz achieved that. A .500 mark is a reasonable improvement for a first year coach in Whiz position. Will .500 be acceptable next year? No it won't. Next year, I expect playoffs at least, and I believe that will happen.

Giving up on Whiz after 15 games is a mistake in my opinion.

:notworthy

 

[Cheesebeef]

No Cheese I wasn't talking to you

It might help clear up confusion in the future if you quoted the people you're asking questions to.

 

[crdnl85]

GUYS. We have ALOT of Talent. We should score 21 points EVERY GAME> Heck we have 2 of the best recievers in the game. With a future hall of fame running back. Man This should happen if we had Jay Leno coaching our team.

Dennis Green,a coach with many years of coaching,just had 3 years to make it happen,and he didn't.Why do you expect Wiz,a rookie coach to teach a new system in one season.Go-Cardinals!!!

 

[chickenhead]

I am still a Whiz backer, but I don't understand why this has to be such a polarizing issue. Still a lot of frustration, but I see improvement.

 

[Cards_Campos]

I never once said fire Whiz. I understand he needs more than 1 year to prove his worth. But if you remember my lasts threads. He needs to stand up and be assertive and accountable. His Post game interviews are so lackluster that they were serving doses of anethesia to the reporters to wake them up. He has no accountability and his explanations are terrible. 'We are almost there' is where we have been for 15 years. His play calling his horrible!!! My daughters 7 year old soccer coach is more imaginative. He constatntly blows timeouts..we have numerous drive killing penalties, his play calling during crucial situations leave you scratching your head. The thing that is even more puzzling. He goes for 4th down near the goal line almost 80% of the time, yet when we lead by 10 he debates on calling a kneel down or having JJ run a draw into an 8 man front in the middle of the 3rd quarter. We scored numerous points when Kurt was running the no huddle earlier in the year...and then later in games where we needed a spark. It should be more than half our game plan.
What makes it more frustrating. Is it is common sense that Kurt Warner can throw the ball for 400 yds and score points if he is at a fast paced system. When he has to sit back and slowly check all his recievers he panics and turnovers occur. But if he has to make a quick read and get rid of the ball..he may be the best there ever was.

Why do we lose twice to a horrible football team in SF and barely beat Atlanta and a GUS FERROTTE led Rams team???? We let Vinny Testeraverde beat us and he was signed 3 days before game time. Whiz plays that game not to lose.
I just want him to say ..."Look I made some mistakes but I promise you I will do my damn best to clean up the pitiful excuse for football that is displayed sometimes. And maybe at times I am over whelmed with managing the game and calling plays. This crap is unexecusable and if my Kicker can't make a 29 yd FG to win a game. Maybe I should kick his A$$ 29 yds into the unemployment line. If my Corner can't cover a one legged 75 yr old man wearing a lead boot, then maybe I should send him out with the trash and his 3 INT game DVD. Next year I promise you WE WILL NOT BE THE SAME OL CARDINALS" And then slam his fist down, scowl and grunt...and then walk off.

 

[jefftheshark]

I just want (Whiz) to say ..."I am over whelmed with managing the game and calling plays. This crap is unexecusable and if my Kicker can't make a 29 yd FG to win a game. Maybe I should kick his A$$ 29 yds into the unemployment line." And then slam his fist down, scowl and grunt...and then walk off.

Perhaps he is afraid of becoming a Coors Light commercial.

JTS