Yea. Where are all the Whiz backers now!!??

[WisconsinCard]

Why should they have hired Johnson and how do you know he'd be a successful HC ? Is it because of all the other teams that have gone through coaching searches and not hired him ? Or did you just randomly pick out an assisstant coach and ,based on you keen eye for HC talent, throw his name out there? It's logic like this that is baffling. The guy's been a coordinator in the league for 100 years.Do you think there's a reason he's hasn't been offered a HC job or does everyone,but you, miss the boat? Let's see, i think the DB coach for the Saints would have been a better choice than Whiz. That has a much merit as your choice.

I don't think you're going to get an answer to this one. By the way couldn't agree more, and thats exactly why I asked the question. He was a big DG fan so I guess when he got fired he somehow wants Whis to fail, so his boy DG doesn't look so bad.

 

[earthsci]

I don't think you're going to get an answer to this one. By the way couldn't agree more, and thats exactly why I asked the question. He was a big DG fan so I guess when he got fired he somehow wants Whis to fail, so his boy DG doesn't look so bad.

It doesn't matter now since we beat the Vikings and lost any hope to draft a QB in 2004. That coupled with not cutting Adrian Wilson has doomed us.

 

[JeffGollin]

I'm glad to see that Campos backtracked a little.

Hard core fans find it difficult to "play in the gray." (Either the new coach walks on water or he's a bum. Give me a break!).

Under Coach Wiz,:

- The Cardinals are 7 & 8.

- The offensive line, while not dominant, has at least stabilized.

- We're putting up more points than in the past.

- We're more solid against the run.

- Our younger players seem to be developing

- Our return game is better.

- The team seems to be less shaky and better prepared overall.

But:

- We haven't accomplished the stated goals of consistently "playing smarter" and avoiding penalties & turnovers (although we did pretty well yesterday).

- We're vulnerable and lack depth in our secondary.

- Our scheming on both sides of the ball is up & down.

- We still can't execute screens very well.

Bottom line: This looks like a better-coached team than it did under Vince, Mac or Dennis; but it's far from perfect.

Before you call for hand grenades, consider this: We were a narrow loss to Baltimore and 2 narrow losses to SF away from going 10 & 6 or (if we can beat StL next Sunday) even 11 & 5. That's how close we are.

 

[WisconsinCard]

It doesn't matter now since we beat the Vikings and lost any hope to draft a QB in 2004. That coupled with not cutting Adrian Wilson has doomed us.

You forgot one of these...

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Before you call for hand grenades, consider this: We were a narrow loss to Baltimore and 2 narrow losses to SF away from going 10 & 6 or (if we can beat StL next Sunday) even 11 & 5. That's how close we are.

Excellent post, and you had me until here. I just hate this logic. This logic is how people try to convince themselves they are better than they are. We could have just as easily lost to Atlanta and St. Louis. We are what we are, a mediocre team that can't make the playoffs in a terrible division. Hopefully we have more than minor cosmetic changes in the plans because this group ain't cutting it.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

got to admit mistakes as soon as possible. Should have hired Johnson from the eagles years ago.

If you dont fire Whiz you at least have to tell him he is not allowed to run the offense.

Oh, I get it now. You're just trying to stir the pot because the season is winding down, we just won, and there's not too much to talk about.

Pretty cool swd1974.

 

[football karma]

What are the Cards:

Good enough to beat good teams at home

Good enough to beat some bad teams on the road

Not good enough to beat a good team on the road

Capable of losing to a bad team at home

Good enough to get leads, not good enough to put people away.



Welcome to the NFL's purgatory class -- take away 6 or 7 pretty solid teams, and 6 or 7 bad teams, you get around 20 teams that are in the middle, and the Cards are one of them. Yes, there are some playoff teams in the middle group, but I beleive that those teams are just as likely to be 7-9 next year as back in the playoffs.

When the team has been in the basement so consistently, a move up is welcome if it isnt satisfying.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

This coach still has a lot to learn (getting the plays in on time, penalties, overall clock management etc..

But how anyone can't see a possible 8-8 record as a rookie head coach of the FREAKING ARIZONA CARDINALS as being good, is baffling.

 

[lobo]

Before you call for hand grenades, consider this: We were a narrow loss to Baltimore and 2 narrow losses to SF away from going 10 & 6 or (if we can beat StL next Sunday) even 11 & 5. That's how close we are.[/quote]


Jeff,

Some people get it and some never will. In one respect you are preaching to the choir and in another you are preaching to a group that has no interest in understanding, listening or being as objective as they can.

 

[AnotherHOMER]

I back up Whiz. Its his first year as a head coach. Growing pain. This roster isn't his. Let's see what he brings in and who gets DA BOOT!!

J

 

[slanidrac16]

Well, I'm here.

WHiz has done a pretty good job. Are there things he could of done better. Sure. Are there things he needs to work on and improve. Absolutely.

But just look at the numbers. They don't lie. If you can't see the improvement of this team then quite frankly , I don't know what you are looking at.

There are teams out there that look SO much like the Cardinals of the past. The Lions, Bengals, Ravens, Falcons, Bears, Dolphins, Chiefs, Broncos, Jets and theres more, are teams that are on a downslide. We have clawed our way to about the middle of the pack. We are no longer with the bottom feeders in the league.

We came very close to becoming a "GOOD" team this year. One or two plays have prevented us from being 9-6 at this point. Imagine that! ONE OR TWO PLAYS!

And you think Whiz sucks that bad? All I can say is get use to it. Whiz is going to be around for a while. I, for one, like that idea.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Everyone who bashed me for complaining about our Great coach Whiz. Where are you now? He has no IDEA how to run a football team or a gameplan. 180 yds and 3 td's at half time. And he comes out of half time with 4 plays under his arm and puts the breaks on a team playing the WORST team in football. He is worthless now in my opinion. Even if we win...it was in spite of him. He throws at the end and look voila...YARDS. What a bad Coach!

And your opinion and 2-bucks will buy a cup of coffee!

 

[crdnl85]

I will be here untill the end of his 3rd year,and a lot longer if the team is what i think they will be by then.

 

[football karma]

I am a Wis backer :raiseshandfrombackofroom:

If the guy goes 4-12 next season, barring incredible unforseen circumstances, I will reconsider.

He has put this team in the place where given a reasonably positive offseason and some health at key positions, expectations for a 10-6 type season are not unreasonable.

 

[earthsci]

I support him.

I wonder what the talk in St. Louis Ram land was like at the beginning of their 1999 Super Bowl season after Vermeil had led them to 5-11, then 4-12.

Probably not as bad as the talk in NE Patriot land in their 2001 Super Bowl year when they had finished the last season at 5-11 and were sporting a 1-3 record.

When a coach takes over a team with a problem with success he needs support for a little while.

 

[john h]

Everyone who bashed me for complaining about our Great coach Whiz. Where are you now? He has no IDEA how to run a football team or a gameplan. 180 yds and 3 td's at half time. And he comes out of half time with 4 plays under his arm and puts the breaks on a team playing the WORST team in football. He is worthless now in my opinion. Even if we win...it was in spite of him. He throws at the end and look voila...YARDS. What a bad Coach!

We have a good chance of going 8/8 despite all our injuries. I would say he did a comendable job in that it has been some time since we were a .500 team.

 

[john h]

Your reaction is puzzeling. You still dont get that we had the easiest schedule this year. That means if we had a normal schedule we are 6-10 at best. What improvement is that?

Starting the season did anyone really think we would make the playoffs? I wished it but thought we would be 8/8 with a rookie QB. With our injuries I will be amazed if we are 8/8 so kudos to the guys who played hard and did your best. It is not long until draft time so we will soon enter a new phase on the draft board. We will be drafting a lot lower than is our norm so maybe we will get lucky. The Bidwills should be rolling in $$$$$ with the stadium doing so well.

 

[Gee!]

Hot damn.. This thread is stupid..

 

[Harry]

I think the HC has done a decent job. He's got a lot to learn, but he's coached like he's learned quite a bit as the season has progressed. There are valid questions about play calling, but how much of that depends on personnel limitations. If this team finishes 8-8, that's about where it should be based on the injuries. Even 7-9 would be justifiable. This isn't like Denny Green who'd been there before; everything was new territory. Let's see if the man grows with the job.

 

[HoodieBets]

There are def some improvements but its the bonehead mistakes and penalties and clock management and playcalling that bother people. If he cant call a play in time next year and they are still the most penalized team in the league I will def call more for his head.

BTW injuries dont matter every team has them the patriots had them and they are still undefeated its a part of the game next year i can safely say we will have four starters miss more than one game, it just happens.

 

[football karma]

BTW injuries dont matter every team has them the patriots had them and they are still undefeated its a part of the game next year i can safely say we will have four starters miss more than one game, it just happens.

It is true that every team will have injuries. It isnt true that they dont matter.

The teams that avoid the injury at the key position, or a rash at one position, are the ones that will have an advantage during the season.

And I dont want to hear about "depth", as some sort of absolute. Every single team in the NFL is thin at a position or two -- the lucky ones avoid the injury at those positions.

The Cards have been a little worse than the NFL average when it comes to injury luck -- the bad luck has been that for a playoff run, they lost their best defensive player (Wilson) and had a pass oriented offense having its two best offensive players (Fitz and Boldin) either being out, or going at maybe 70%.

Interestingly -- an event that would have doomed maybe 25 other teams in the NFL - losing a starting QB for 11 games -- wasnt the death knell for the Cards because they had decent depth at the QB position.

 

[devilfan02]

We lead the league in Penalties, boneheaded plays, and wasted Timeouts....all reflective of coaching!!

He's a 100% correct on this point. I'm sick of the lack of discipline and complete waste of timeouts. Whiz, although it is still early, did not impress me one bit in his eye for talent in the last draft

 

[Gee!]

He's a 100% correct on this point. I'm sick of the lack of discipline and complete waste of timeouts. Whiz, although it is still early, did not impress me one bit in his eye for talent in the last draft

Not even Breaston?

 

[Totally_Red]

Whis is the best thing that's happened to the franchise since drafting Fitz. Anyone who can't see the improvement (even with all the injuries) over last season isn't paying attention. A couple of made field goals here and a couple of critical plays made there and this team is in the playoffs.

This team, unlike its predecessors does not QUIT. We do need a couple of pieces on defense and some upgrades on offense, but overall, the core is in place with Q, Fitz, AW, DD, and hopefully Karlos Dansby.

 

[Pariah]

I'm still a fan of Whisenhunt.