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How do the Suns get Simmons AND Dunn and keep Knight in the process?
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As long as his main weapon is a contested 20-footer early in the shot clock, I'm good.
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It boggles the mind. It is so fixable.
If Markieff gets sentenced to jail time can the Suns void his contract? That may be the best way to go. Sure you get nothing in return but he is damaged goods at best. I know the Suns don't have the best reputation around the league but the longer Markieff stays the less value he has. I'd be shocked if they could get a player with potential or a late 1st rounder for him. If they've had an offer of either I suspect they would have taken it by now, especially since Markieff hasn't been a part of the rotation for most of the season, even with Hornacek's ridiculously inconsistent and large rotations.
I would try and move Tucker to a contender who could use a perimeter defender that is looking to win now. His value has to be higher than Markieff's and in the right system he could be more effective. He's not skilled enough offensively to be on the floor at the same time as Chandler or Len, isn't the leader everyone thought he was 2 years ago when he was resigned, and he's just taking minutes away from Warren at this point. The Suns won't be a playoff team this year or next so hanging onto him doesn't make much sense. You can get away with hiding 1 player on offense but having 2 guys who aren't a threat to score hurts ball movement, spacing, penetration, and overall offensive chemistry. If the Suns had a prolific scorer then it wouldn't be as much of an issue but they don't. Moving him would create a need for a backup for Warren, Weems shouldn't be getting those minutes since he shouldn't factor into long term plans of the team either.
Looking at the top 2-3 teams in the East & West I think Chicago would be the best fit that would be able to give the Suns a young SF in return. Tucker for McDermott + Hinrich works under the cap. Snell could be used in place of McDermott but I wouldn't go for him first. Tucker could help guarding opposing teams best wing players, freeing up Jimmy Butler to focus more offensively. They have plenty of offensive weapons in Butler, Rose, and Gasol. They have the deepest frontcourt in the league and a great starting backcourt. They don't really have a defensive wing player like Tucker. McDermott provides scoring but they got that covered elsewhere. They wouldn't need to use Tucker except to keep defenses honest with corner 3's. It would probably take something more from Phoenix to get that deal through. Dunleavy will be returning soon for Chicago and could fill in as a bench scorer for McDermott. Goodwin could be included to try to try and even things out, he's not being used here. Tucker & Goodwin for McDermott, Hinrich (expiring), & Bairstow (filler). Goodwin isn't being used but he's still young and cheap so he doesn't have negative value like Markieff.
Letting McDermott and Warren battle for the starting spot could bring out the best in both of them and with Chandler at Center they could play together with McDermott at the 4 also. Especially with more teams using stretch 4's offensively. Whoever doesn't start could provide some much needed scoring from the bench, which is needed if Warren is moved into the starting role.
That would leave this lineup for the rest of the season, Hinrich is an expiring deal but could help provide veteran leadership in addition to being capable of running an offense.
Knight/Hinrich/Price
Booker/Hinrich/Weems
Warren/McDermott/Weems
Leuer/Teletovic/Barstow
Chandler/Len/Barstow
Putting Knight into Hinrich's spot next season, backing up both PG & SG with Bledsoe returning to the starting PG spot would make this a better team overall and young enough to grow together also. The team should be set for the next few years at PG, SG, SF, and C. They'd still need a PF but that could be resolved in the draft.
I would try and move Tucker to a contender who could use a perimeter defender that is looking to win now. His value has to be higher than Markieff's and in the right system he could be more effective. He's not skilled enough offensively to be on the floor at the same time as Chandler or Len, isn't the leader everyone thought he was 2 years ago when he was resigned, and he's just taking minutes away from Warren at this point. The Suns won't be a playoff team this year or next so hanging onto him doesn't make much sense. You can get away with hiding 1 player on offense but having 2 guys who aren't a threat to score hurts ball movement, spacing, penetration, and overall offensive chemistry. If the Suns had a prolific scorer then it wouldn't be as much of an issue but they don't. Moving him would create a need for a backup for Warren, Weems shouldn't be getting those minutes since he shouldn't factor into long term plans of the team either.
Looking at the top 2-3 teams in the East & West I think Chicago would be the best fit that would be able to give the Suns a young SF in return. Tucker for McDermott + Hinrich works under the cap. Snell could be used in place of McDermott but I wouldn't go for him first. Tucker could help guarding opposing teams best wing players, freeing up Jimmy Butler to focus more offensively. They have plenty of offensive weapons in Butler, Rose, and Gasol. They have the deepest frontcourt in the league and a great starting backcourt. They don't really have a defensive wing player like Tucker. McDermott provides scoring but they got that covered elsewhere. They wouldn't need to use Tucker except to keep defenses honest with corner 3's. It would probably take something more from Phoenix to get that deal through. Dunleavy will be returning soon for Chicago and could fill in as a bench scorer for McDermott. Goodwin could be included to try to try and even things out, he's not being used here. Tucker & Goodwin for McDermott, Hinrich (expiring), & Bairstow (filler). Goodwin isn't being used but he's still young and cheap so he doesn't have negative value like Markieff.
Letting McDermott and Warren battle for the starting spot could bring out the best in both of them and with Chandler at Center they could play together with McDermott at the 4 also. Especially with more teams using stretch 4's offensively. Whoever doesn't start could provide some much needed scoring from the bench, which is needed if Warren is moved into the starting role.
That would leave this lineup for the rest of the season, Hinrich is an expiring deal but could help provide veteran leadership in addition to being capable of running an offense.
Knight/Hinrich/Price
Booker/Hinrich/Weems
Warren/McDermott/Weems
Leuer/Teletovic/Barstow
Chandler/Len/Barstow
Putting Knight into Hinrich's spot next season, backing up both PG & SG with Bledsoe returning to the starting PG spot would make this a better team overall and young enough to grow together also. The team should be set for the next few years at PG, SG, SF, and C. They'd still need a PF but that could be resolved in the draft.
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I used to think that but considering this is an issue he's had since college and for two other NBA teams, I don't it will change because I'm sure other coaches have tried to get him to change. He's only 24 but he's had enough experience and playing time to not get into awful tendencies like that but he continues to do it.
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He does take those shots, he is not a natural passer a la Steve Nash. He opens up passing lanes by being a scoring threat.
The good thing is that Dunn is a very good defender, has better footwork and more fluid handle than Knight.
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No, these are not the contested shots that Knight usually take.
Dunn gets enough separation from the defender to comfortably pull the trigger. These shots are not rushed ones, they are in his rythm. Actually, he takes his shots more the way Bledsoe does, not Knight.
Dunn gets enough separation from the defender to comfortably pull the trigger. These shots are not rushed ones, they are in his rythm. Actually, he takes his shots more the way Bledsoe does, not Knight.
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BTW, the more I watch Dunn, the more I think that he is special.
In my eyes, he is a surefire top3 pick (some teams may take the risk on Bender, but Dunn is much less risky and I do not think that his ceiling is so much lower than Bender's) but easily can challenge Ingram as a #2.
He is basically a bigger version of Bledsoe with more passing skills, not to mention that he is way ahead of Bledsoe as a college player in terms of scoring and passing.
Or he is a much more polished and much smarter version of Marcus Smart.
In my eyes, he is a surefire top3 pick (some teams may take the risk on Bender, but Dunn is much less risky and I do not think that his ceiling is so much lower than Bender's) but easily can challenge Ingram as a #2.
He is basically a bigger version of Bledsoe with more passing skills, not to mention that he is way ahead of Bledsoe as a college player in terms of scoring and passing.
Or he is a much more polished and much smarter version of Marcus Smart.
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Ok lets assume we finish with the 4th worst record in the league and win the lottery.
We would pick 1, 28 and 34.
1. Draft
going by DX projections right now
#1. Ben Simmons PF (DX#1)
#28 Domantas Sabonis F/C (DX#29)
#34 DeAndre Bembry SF (DX#41)
2. Shooting Guard
Booker/Bodganovic/??
Options for veteran shooting guard would be
Courtney Lee
OJ Mayo
Kevin Martin
My choice would be Courtney Lee.
Booker/Bogdanovic/Lee
3. Small Forward
My choice would be Jared Dudley.
Warren/Dudley/Bembry
4. Power Forward
Keep Leuer, and Teletovic.
Simmons/Leuer/Teletovic
5. Center
Chandler/Len/Sabonis
6. Point Guard
Chandler/Len/Sabonis
Simmons/Leuer/Teletovic
Warren/Dudley/Bembry
Booker/Bogdanovic/Martin
Bledsoe/??/??
Would be the roster so far with Knight, Tucker, Goodwin, Morris, Weems not slotted in yet.
Say we traded Morris and Goodwin for Brandon Jennings and Detroit pick (#20). Move Jennings to a third team for a pick and a bad contract that can be bought out.
Keep Price as third string PG.
Cut Weems (suppose his deal is not fully guaranteed for next season)
Move Knight, Tucker, #20, additional picks for bad contracts and high pick to draft Kris Dunn at #4. Ideally this would be done with foresight this season to get another high pick and contract that expire in the offseason as well as tanking for Simmons.
6. Final Roster
Chandler/Len/Sabonis
Simmons/Leuer/Teletovic
Warren/Dudley/Bembry
Booker/Bogdanovic/Lee
Bledsoe/Dunn/Price
15 man roster
We would pick 1, 28 and 34.
1. Draft
going by DX projections right now
#1. Ben Simmons PF (DX#1)
#28 Domantas Sabonis F/C (DX#29)
#34 DeAndre Bembry SF (DX#41)
2. Shooting Guard
Booker/Bodganovic/??
Options for veteran shooting guard would be
Courtney Lee
OJ Mayo
Kevin Martin
My choice would be Courtney Lee.
Booker/Bogdanovic/Lee
3. Small Forward
My choice would be Jared Dudley.
Warren/Dudley/Bembry
4. Power Forward
Keep Leuer, and Teletovic.
Simmons/Leuer/Teletovic
5. Center
Chandler/Len/Sabonis
6. Point Guard
Chandler/Len/Sabonis
Simmons/Leuer/Teletovic
Warren/Dudley/Bembry
Booker/Bogdanovic/Martin
Bledsoe/??/??
Would be the roster so far with Knight, Tucker, Goodwin, Morris, Weems not slotted in yet.
Say we traded Morris and Goodwin for Brandon Jennings and Detroit pick (#20). Move Jennings to a third team for a pick and a bad contract that can be bought out.
Keep Price as third string PG.
Cut Weems (suppose his deal is not fully guaranteed for next season)
Move Knight, Tucker, #20, additional picks for bad contracts and high pick to draft Kris Dunn at #4. Ideally this would be done with foresight this season to get another high pick and contract that expire in the offseason as well as tanking for Simmons.
6. Final Roster
Chandler/Len/Sabonis
Simmons/Leuer/Teletovic
Warren/Dudley/Bembry
Booker/Bogdanovic/Lee
Bledsoe/Dunn/Price
15 man roster
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So he's Eric Bledsoe.
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A bigger, younger & healthier Bledsoe.
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Fantasy much? You had me sort of for most of the post until you thought that we could get the #4 pick.
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Fantasy is the point of this thread.
And yes we could trade for the #4 pick. Top 3 picks are hard to trade for but after that picks are traded frequently.
And yes we could trade for the #4 pick. Top 3 picks are hard to trade for but after that picks are traded frequently.
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So. What do you do if the Suns get the second pick? Draft Ingram? If so, does he play ahead of Warren or Booker? I don't see Ingram as a PF, but he could play guard.
Simmons reminds me of a better Lamar Odom or Boris Diaw. He really doesn't play like a pf except he does rebound which is HUGE. He would be perfect for this team.
Simmons reminds me of a better Lamar Odom or Boris Diaw. He really doesn't play like a pf except he does rebound which is HUGE. He would be perfect for this team.
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Try to move from #2 to #1 which is reasonable or simply draft Ingram and eventually move Warren or just have Ingram and Warren and have Warren play them together some.
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What would you give up to move from 2 to 1? This kind of reminds me of the Odom/Durant draft. Odom was considered by almost EVERYONE the best player in the draft, but it was still a two player draft. Durant was a considered a can't miss star. Clearly a #1 and #2 and after that it was open. Most disappointing ping pong ball year ever. Ended up being a very good draft though.
Odom, Durant, Horford, Conley, Noah, Brewer, Thornton, Splitter, Wilson Chandler, Afflalo, Bellineli.
Even the second round had Carl Landry and Marc Gasol.
Of course, the Suns sold Rudy Fernandez and drafted DJ Strawberry. What a let down. You go from expecting a 4 or 5 pick, to that.
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I think you mean Oden, not Odom. And while most people thought Oden would go number 1 there was a lot of debate over which player was actually the better NBA prospect. The mindset that you should always choose a good big man over a good smaller man was hopefully put to bed by that draft.
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#2 and some sort of combination of our other picks, CLE 2016, Miami 2017, Miami 2021..
If Ingram keeps playing this way the #1 and #2 pick will be pretty close in terms of value, might come down to preference. It is possible the Suns could simply draft Simmons at #2.
It seems to me that Ingram would be a much better fit on the Lakers (Nance, Randle) and 76ers (Saric, Noel, Okafor). If you think Simmons is a small forward then I don't know why you would pick him over Ingram.
If Ingram keeps playing this way the #1 and #2 pick will be pretty close in terms of value, might come down to preference. It is possible the Suns could simply draft Simmons at #2.
It seems to me that Ingram would be a much better fit on the Lakers (Nance, Randle) and 76ers (Saric, Noel, Okafor). If you think Simmons is a small forward then I don't know why you would pick him over Ingram.
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Because he is a better player.
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Oh, it is? Then why not trade for Durant and Curry and be done with it?
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Curry is a fantasy but funny you mention Durant. He is actually a FA. If PHX can deal Morris and either one of Bledsoe or Knight to clear up space then PHX could make him a max offer. That is assuming Durant wants to leave OKC. OKC has a lot of big contracts on their roster, they may be able to Bird Right Durant to keep him but they will be luxury tax out the Wazoo. If PHX can land Simmons with the #1 pick, maybe that intrigues Durant. Pipe dream maybe but at least there is a small possibility that it could happen.
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It's very unlikely that the Thunder repeat with Durant the same mistake they made with Harden. Also, if the cap goes way up next year, won't the luxury tax threshold go way up too?
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I think both of them are like Durant in that it doesn't matter what you call them. You can put a small forward or a power forward next to either one of these guys and you'll be fine. The few remaining traditional power forwards will cause some problems but that will go both ways. The one thing I wouldn't do though is give away a lot of assets to move off of either player to get the other one.
I'm late to the Ingram bandwagon, until recently I bought into the one man draft class story. I watched Duke split with Utah and Long Beach State and he was okay but didn't really stand out (forced a lot of shots too IIRC). But watching him against Va Tech he did a much better job of letting the game come to him and you could see why he's drawing so much attention. Simmons interests me more but maybe not enough to give away multiple picks for.
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I thought it was a little embarrassing when we went after Lebron but I could see some value in just reminding the free agent world that we exist. But a pursuit of Durant would be embarrassing. He loves playing with Westbrook and has been treated very well in OKC. He might leave but short of blackmail I can't see us entering the picture.
IMO>>>There's a small chance he'll stay in OKC. There's a reasonable chance that he'll go to one of the major eastern markets (including Miami). There's an outside chance he'll return home to Washington. There's even a pretty fair chance he and Westbrook will leave Oklahoma to play for the Hollywood crowd. But I can't see anything that would draw him to Phoenix.
If Durant for some reason wants to come to Arizona I'm sure his agent will let us know. And if not, I really hope we don't waste even a moment pursuing the possibility.
